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Itsuki_desu said:
I absolutely get what you're saying, however.
At this point, the AVN economy has gotten funny. No other game or a Patreon project has this kind of economy.
For video games, you pay $60 once and you get the game forever. For lewd Pateon pics, you get a new batch every month you pay. But for AVNs, you can pay as much as $60 per month to explicitly not get anything but a dev diary with excuses about why they did nothing in the last 2 weeks (not talking about you, obviously, just in general).
Now, I get it that EVENTUALLY, there is a free release. But you do realise that a whole two weeks of early access is playing into FOMO-ness of it, you admit as much. Video games have become savvy to it as well, with all the "advanced access" shit they're pulling for more money.
I genuinely hate these dark patterns made for making money out of people with weak impulse control, and on top of that, no AVN is worth $50 per update.
If it was about $15-20, I'd think about it as a gesture of goodwill, but $50 is just funny.
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It's because these "donations" are required for the livelihood of the developers of the project. Those other non-"AVN" projects have an idea of how much they may need and they try to hit that goal, and then they do their thing. Lots more people buy into them than these "AVN"'s because these "AVN"'s are quite niche.

It'd be impossible to sustain these projects without continuous donations, the dev. won't be able to make a living, but I do agree that they're absolutely not worth that much money, but some people are willing to pay it. It is what it is.
 
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As for me, as I currently don't have the means or stable income to support the devs financially I have no trouble in waiting for the public relase. Hell, I'll probably still will regardless if it were to leak if merely due to respect to the developers and of course those who suppport the game financially.

Itsuki_desu said:
I genuinely hate these dark patterns made for making money out of people with weak impulse control, and on top of that, no AVN is worth $50 per update.
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That's more on each consumer fault if I'm being honest . No developer be it from AVN or triple A games is responsible for their customers money, it's up to them how much and on what they spent it. As long as they are not being swindled it's not like other people that want to sell you stuff are responsible for your money.
 
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TD1900 said:
Yet, at the same time, guys like me and GIL wouldn't be able to spend this much time (5 years at this point) working on our passion project. You wouldn't really have the glut of games out there (largely abandoned and unfinished as they are) without it. For better and worse.
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That's the core point to me. Yes, Patreon is a system that can be gamed and leveraged to promote, as you said, lazyness and lack of responsibility from authors. At the same time, it allows and incentivizes quality gems of a game like Pale Carnations to exist - because the alternative of a single payment at the end of the production cycle would be untenable.
So, to me, Patreon is a net positive. Of course, I also advocate cautiousness on the patrons' side: be savvy, inform yourself, get to know the authors if possible, reward only people you think deserve it and so on. But I think the effort is more than worthy in the end, as Pale Carnations proves - just ignore the pile of cruft on the bottom, and aim for the better experiences.
 
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In order to contain the moods/anxiety, should you or someone who is already playing the update, tell you which girls are getting obscene scenes this time?
 
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Itsuki_desu said:
That's almost victim-blaming. Dark patterns are called that for a reason, they're there because people who came up with them know human psyche and know how to manipulate it.
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Likewise you could argue the contrary and say that you are patronizing people cause you know better than them how to spend their money.

I support 6 games even on off-release months because I enjoy the community around them, the discords, the fact that I can have access to chat with people with the same kinks gathered around the same place and because the devs are great people.

I don't feel like being swindled cause I don't consider that "nothing". By contrast, I never subscribe to access all games from someone like Paradox because all I'm interested in is the HoI4 singleplayer and I don't need to give them funding on a monthly basis. So I just buy it once and play.

It's fine to pirate and be on f95. It creates traffic and marketing. But it's also fine to support devs on Patreon. Neither model is inherently bad cause people have agency to decide what to do. So I would use the vitriol sparingly imho.
 
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TD1900 said:
, and believe it or not, the number of people who will impulse buy an early release because they're looking to goon on a weekend and can't find it free isn't zero. Even if it's just 4-5 people over the course of a day... that's not insignificant to us and I'm grateful we've made it this far without anyone spilling the beans.
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Okay now it makes so much of sense. This is news to me and this is what the missing piece of information that I genuinely didn't understand. I never thought people would want to buy an update (while you can obviously get it for free or through the public release). I thought to myself that everybody who donate money, do so because they genuinely want to support the creator for the work that they do. So now there is obviously an added advantage to delaying the public release for the devs. Honestly, in my view, updates should release when they are ready. For everybody. And everyone who with what they can support the dev should do so. Maybe I am a moron. But this is what I feel. But thanks for being so candid about it.
 
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SonsOfLiberty said:
And so have a lot of other people, a few hours, to a few more days isn't going to make your pecker fall off :rolleyes:



It literally tells you when the release comes out for each tier, not sure how when it tells you right front and center...
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why do you need to be condescending? :KEK: when i already stated i agreed the update shouldn't be leaked.i was just explaining how some people are expecting it since a long time.we are all fans of the game we like the game for different reasons.PLUS that's very insulting towards TD 's + GIL3D's work and everyone who worked towars making this game possible since he views it as more than a porn game,you (SonsOfLiberty) suggesting it's only about pecker pleasing.The dev put a lot effort into the storywriting,art and direction unlike some devs.He makes it with passion.That's why people like me take our long wait and endure it.I feel as frustated and as eager for the update at the same time.Besides i won't freeload i will still pay the update even IF leaked.what i am worried about is if i pay the highest tier will i place unrealistic expectations and think about my own wishes rather enjoying the experience,the game,the story because rosalind,victoria and felicia are peak that's just my own opinion.:p
"What do adult games, porn games, mean to me?

For most people, even among those that play them, that is (rightfully) a question to laugh at. Placing any kind of importance on what are mostly badly written, poorly conceived, jerk-off-and-forget-about-them games is absurd and to imbue them with even a sliver of meaning is cringe-worthy.

Yet, they mean so much to me. So much that I want to put those feelings in words and share my passion for them."
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Gooooneer said:
Okay now it makes so much of sense. This is news to me and this is what the missing piece of information that I genuinely didn't understand. I never thought people would want to buy an update (while you can obviously get it for free or through the public release). I thought to myself that everybody who donate money, do so because they genuinely want to support the creator for the work that they do. So now there is obviously an added advantage to delaying the public release for the devs. Honestly, in my view, updates should release when they are ready. For everybody. And everyone who with what they can support the dev should do so. Maybe I am a moron. But this is what I feel. But thanks for being so candid about it.
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Sneaky Heresiarch said:
Likewise you could argue the contrary and say that you are patronizing people cause you know better than them how to spend their money.

I support 6 games even on off-release months because I enjoy the community around them, the discords, the fact that I can have access to chat with people with the same kinks gathered around the same place and because the devs are great people.

I don't feel like being swindled cause I don't consider that "nothing". By contrast, I never subscribe to access all games from someone like Paradox because all I'm interested in is the HoI4 singleplayer and I don't need to give them funding on a monthly basis. So I just buy it once and play.

It's fine to pirate and be on f95. It creates traffic and marketing. But it's also fine to support devs on Patreon. Neither model is inherently bad cause people have agency to decide what to do. So I would use the vitriol sparingly imho.
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I'm extremely grateful to all the people who subscribe to the authors patreons on the games I like. It's through you guys that the authors can dedicate more time (and sometimes make it their job) to give us updates. Without patrons, projects are likely to take forever or even stop altogether. And if that means waiting for something to drop with all the other brokies, so be it.
 
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Ottoeight said:
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Gooooneer said:
Okay now it makes so much of sense. This is news to me and this is what the missing piece of information that I genuinely didn't understand. I never thought people would want to buy an update (while you can obviously get it for free or through the public release). I thought to myself that everybody who donate money, do so because they genuinely want to support the creator for the work that they do. So now there is obviously an added advantage to delaying the public release for the devs. Honestly, in my view, updates should release when they are ready. For everybody. And everyone who with what they can support the dev should do so. Maybe I am a moron. But this is what I feel. But thanks for being so candid about it.
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people said the same thing about Onlyfans and porn look how it makes money now.you missed the point.that's because people also want their own pin-ups and also want their starlets even if sometimes it's a wish version.everyone wants their own little marylin monroe in some sense.
plus the difference with porn is that it's A GAME too with a story and a plot,a gameplay even if small,it all needs work that most people wouldn't put it or don't have the ability/will to put it in.
plus unlike some AAA companies it doesn't exploit you and grab your money to recycle the same version for 10 years without changing the dates sometimes lol:LOL:
 
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