VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Ungawa]

So after 900+ pages, we move slowly from the Felicia Wars, which determine the NTR aspects of a woman from the south that can run moonshine out of a milk shake truck to Veronica who can dominate any mouse woman she so desires including the mousey men that don't man up. As the Veronica Wars heat up, we have to remember that "good and easy" was out the door and this was "fast and easy" as stated by the Queen of Mean before she was humbled by the Queen Bitch she crossed by giving her the O 3 times before getting those receipts in the next game...

Truly the tables turn as Pale Carnations grows and flows...

 

[Dryme]

So after 900+ pages, we move slowly from the Felicia Wars, which determine the NTR aspects of a woman from the south that can run moonshine out of a milk shake truck to Veronica who can dominate any mouse woman she so desires including the mousey men that don't man up. As the Veronica Wars heat up, we have to remember that "good and easy" was out the door and this was "fast and easy" as stated by the Queen of Mean before she was humbled by the Queen Bitch she crossed by giving her the O 3 times before getting those receipts in the next game...

Truly the tables turn as Pale Carnations grows and flows...

Veronica's entire dominance is only physical

 

[Ungawa]

Veronica's entire dominance is only physical

It's also a front. She can take a lot of physical pain but she's set up not to understand emotional issues too well so she's gooey in the center.

As the author set her up, she's set up as a warrior first, and the emotional stuff hits her harder as time moves on. So when you get her to really explore that pain, it hits her twice as hard.

 

[Dryme]

It's also a front. She can take a lot of physical pain but she's set up not to understand emotional issues too well so she's gooey in the center.

As the author set her up, she's set up as a warrior first, and the emotional stuff hits her harder as time moves on. So when you get her to really explore that pain, it hits her twice as hard.

Strong on the outside but fragile on the inside

 

[Maccabbee]

I maybe misrembering or interperiting, Samson sabataged Veronica's business with bad contracts/business model preying on her naivite on buisness to coerce into a situation where the carnation club was a last resort. Each time she thought about dropping out she is reminded she'll lose the chance at money and the implications of that with her personal life. Thats forcing someone to do something against thier own will, aka coecersion. Nothing about that is "willingly."

Lets my best friend owns subscribstar and Pale Carnations brings more eyes to the platform. I buy Patreon and give Jeff and Mutt the boot as a favor to best friend for whatever reason. Thats coesering you to make a move to Subscribstar. Your not "willingly" dumping one revenue stream for a lesser one. You were forced unknowingly or not.

Nope. All the carnations have a choice. Veronica's only problem can be walked away from (at great emotional and financial cost) and recover normally after bankruptcy. Her pride is what's keeping her locked into her gym, and a heaping dose of sunk cost fallacy (not just money, she lost her marriage over the business). It's not coercion, perse. They are all repeatedly offered opportunities to quit (because it's more fun to point out that their degradation is by their own consent and choice). Is their choice being influenced? Yes, absolutely. That doesn't negate their free will and consent.

 

[Hungover00]

Strong on the outside but fragile on the inside

Is that a cinnamon roll? I've heard the term tossed around, but not quite sure what the boundaries are.

 

[estrada777]

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[Turret]

samson isn't innocent but he can't be blamed for veroncia making the brash decision to join the club without thinking about other options first.
sure he is guilty of many things like using her own mentor against her to setting up for failure knowingly but even he admits that when he first suggested the club as a solution to her current problems he expected her to slam his face to the ground yet she didn't.
instead she joined without a second thought , she is like a horse with blinders on who knows only one straight path forward.

I surely agree! Mentioned similar thoughts in earlier posts too. And she makes it worse not only with fully alienating Kath, but once she tried to convince the other Carnations to "go on strike". How dumb or reality blind you can be? Felcia told her directly what a dumb and dangerous idea that was and Rosi agreed with Feli.

samson obviously was scheming on how to bring down veronica for a long time but he is more interested in "conquering" her sexually than anything else. he doesn't care about her buisness or her mentor meanwhile veronica dug herself a bigger hole by making kathy her new enemy once she joined the club.

Samson is crushing on Veronika quite strongly, there are more than one hint into this direction. I estimate if she came to him for help, he might save her gym.
It is just that Veronika´s bisexuality leans strongly towards lesbianism, so his chances are - bad. Samson should not have done what he did to get into her trousers, but I think Kath cannot go totally overboard with punishment against her without alienating Samson.
I want to mention that we have a friendship score with Samson, the only one of the Club members. Since I am sometimes really exaspirated with Veronika and her mule-like stubborness, I really thought about at the end of the game coupling up Samson and Veronika. That is clearly an end justifies the means move, but logical. In a certain way Samson and Veronika deserve each other, I can get help from Samson against Kath and get Veronika out of my hair for good.

 

[TD1900]

...and the promotion of the plot seems to stand still.

Can I ask you what you mean by this? What do you consider the plot?

 

[Dryme]

Can I ask you what you mean by this? What do you consider the plot?

Forget it. Maybe that's just how I feel about progress.

 

[Turret]

Can I ask you what you mean by this? What do you consider the plot?

I think he either pressed the fast forward button too often or had the bad luck that all his favourite characters in the game had few to no content. Because there is actually a lot of things going on. Maybe not the "big jump" forward, but a lot of plotlines are affected by this update.

 

[The Senior Perv]

Bonus Art: Pick Your Poison

This will become a transition screen next update.

 

[alex13_zen]

How likely is it that Mina will be fine with us fooling around with Hana? I only keep two saves, with the secondary being a partial harem. But I'm at an impasse if I should include Mina here since she doesn't react well if you kiss Hana on stage.

I'll feel I've wasted my save if she dumps me in the next updates so I can't decide what to do with her...

 

[ffive]

How likely is it that Mina will be fine with us fooling around with Hana?

50/50

Yes, i realize how helpful that was. You're welcome.

 

[misfolk]

How likely is it that Mina will be fine with us fooling around with Hana? I only keep two saves, with the secondary being a partial harem. But I'm at an impasse if I should include Mina here since she doesn't react well if you kiss Hana on stage.

She reacted quite well in my playthrough.

 

[ffive]

She reacted quite well in my playthrough.

If by "quite well" you mean being conflicted and distraught...

(well, tbf maybe she doesn't care if Edwin is just friends with her, i wouldn't know.

 

[SoftieSuki]

All the characters are top tier

 

[Fapparition]

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Bonus Art: Pick Your Position

This will become a pegging initiation.

My half-asleep brain spewed nonsense

 

[ffive]

My half-asleep brain spewed nonsense

Honestly, that'd be very much on brand.

 

[GokutheG]

How is Veronica going back to the guy that laid the foundation for her current situation for a coupling in any way logical? I have not seen any indication or hints of her wanting to reconnect with him if she loses the competition so far in the game.

If youre playing a decent/good Edwin she seems to be on track to have a girls only gym as a new business model without Samson's involvement. I always interperted the Samson friend score as Edwin being fake nice to get more info on Veronicas situation and nothing more.

I mean sure there can be a bad end where Samson gets the chance to dominate her sexually but a mutual coupling? Makes no sense to me anyway, I dont think her stubbornness would allow her to go back to Samson even in a last ditch effort.

Didn't she straight up bust his nose because he was being too much of a prick? I don't see how anyone could think she'd want to have anything to do with him on a personal level.

Yeah the mc having a positive relationship with him is to gain more information on how he's screwing her over.