now for real question did we get any content with veronica in last 2 updates i have not played them yet and thinking if i should wait some more 
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Again, "circumstances have pushed her" is not the same as a person using actual active threats, implied violence etc in order to force someone to make certain decision. In the very legal sense that you quote Samson has not coerced Veronica into anything. He created a situation where participation in the contest has became appealing option for Veronica but it was just that, an option. She's had other ways to resolve her issue, and ironically those other options didn't involve participating in a stupid and degrading sex game.
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sorry guys, kinda dropped out from the discussion from last week - are we still in Felicia Wars phase?
no we moved on to veronica wars phase and it may be dying down so who knows what will come next
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It would never moved on rosalind wars because she never did anything wrong, and certainly not scamming old people
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Oh sweetie, that is coercion, but a type they made legal because it benefits the powers that be.
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You can coerce someone to do something with something less drastic than pointing a gun to their head. It's the implications of destroying someone's life that can get them to do what you want. This goes double if you've manipulated things behind the scenes to drive them to that desperate point.
i don't totally disagree with you. but still veronica had choices and she made her choice. personally i would have walked away and most likly would have found way to live decent life and there is nothing samason could have done about it. so if its coercion its not very effective one.
This only really applies if the person in question has no other options. But to either do what you demand or face negative consequences.
If i offer you to give you a lift to your workplace on condition you sit in my car all naked and masturbate while i drive, but you can also get to work perfectly fine using your own car or public transport, did i coerce you into degrading sexual behavior if you agree with my offer instead of picking other of the options you had?
"Oh, but you knew i'm exhibitionist so it was obvious i'd pick this option!"
Well then, that's on you and indulging in your own kink, then.
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Lucy and Felicia have the resources to deny the ride. Rose and V are in a worse position that's why the club is their only hope(ride).
technically if we want these to be more in line with game. you yesterday also blew up hes car tiers so he cant use it to get to destination and also made deal with hes boss to fire him if hes lateThis only really applies if the person in question has no other options. But to either do what you demand or face negative consequences.
If i offer you to give you a lift to your workplace on condition you sit in my car all naked and masturbate while i drive, but you can also get to work perfectly fine using your own car or public transport, did i coerce you into degrading sexual behavior if you agree with my offer instead of picking other of the options you had?
"Oh, but you knew i was exhibitionist so it was obvious i'd pick this option!"
Well then, that's on you and indulging in your own kink, then.
Rose is the one who is between the rock and hard place with no good alternatives. I'm not questioning that.
But Veronica very much has alternative solutions, and the club isn't her only hope, like already mentioned in this discussion a few times by now. That's the whole reason we even have the discussion in the first place. No one would question it if the club was her only option.
To some extent, but they still can use public transport as alternative way to get to the destination. (or call a taxi, or whatever) It may not be as comfortable as a private car, but it's perfectly viable and good enough for thousands of other people in the same situation. The offer i've made them isn't their only option, that's the whole point.technically if we want these to be more in line with game. you yesterday also blew up hes car tiers so he cant use it to get to destination and also made deal with hes boss to fire him if hes late
i dont want to work but i also want to have nice car. now im in emotional distress trying to understand if my self is coercing me to work to get what i want
what should i do guys. i did not think i could coerce myself 
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Keep playing, this game builds better romance and has some scenes that are more wholesome than any other vanilla trash harem game you'll find on this site. Yes, some of the stuff that happens in the exhibitions is a bit "extreme", but the game has a lot of cute 1 on 1 dates with all the girls where they actually enjoy themselves, if you dare to, give it another shot you won't regret it when you reach those parts of the story.
true but i can say that about anything x coerced me to do y at which point it losses meaning. me wanting ferari led me to killing feraris owner and stealing it .
lets start from beginning Samson is not manager of carnations he is costumer. so EVEN if we can say that samson coerced veronica to join it (which i dont agree with) it still dose not mean that club coerced her. above samsone already explained how yes Samson created situation in which yes taking part in carnetaion sound's better for veronica then alternatives BUT even she says that she understand's that she has alternatives.
I personally dont even have as much as veronica has and you dont see me whoring my self out
(lack of opportunities mostly if money is big im sure we can find some middle ground just saying it out there ) Alright, not to start Carnations War 3, but it made me wonder. TD1900 could i ask, did you maybe consider a scenario further in the game where, having found out about this old people scamming business, Edwin who had voluntary "no strings attached" deal with Rose might want to renege on his promise and call it off?
Not a decision i'd have my Edwin make, but i ask because it's an interesting moral dilemma with a few moving pieces: keeping up one's word, "sins of the past" thing, the fact Edwin learns this by gaining Rose's trust, and the outcome of such decision affecting not just Rose but also by extension her daughter... possibly some other aspects that don't come to mind immediately, too.
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