VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[sunaboz]

(...)
This is more delusional than hoping in a romantic love story between Edwin and Sophia. (...)

That's why you shouldn't take it seriously, I thought it was obvious. Even Edwin x Grace sex is very unlikely for various reasons (if only because of what Chuck might do and honestly, the only way it could happen is via drugs which Edwin wouldn't use against Grace I hope and Ian definitely not, considering it's his mother).

As for Victoria scene, I'm not sure what you're getting at when it's really simple. Victoria said she can't force Ian to go to school and she refused to "guide" Ian in the right direction because she felt it would betray his trust. The best she could do was to give advice from one mother to another. After the carrot method failed Grace went for the stick and then things escalated quickly, Victoria threw a tantrum and wanted to beat Grace up and Grace put Victoria down with a "bomb".

But in the end the leverage Grace got wasn't that huge since Victoria decided to tell the truth herself. So yeah, instead of doing a simple, rational thing Victoria decided to do the opposite and all of this for drama and our entertainment. She was crying because she was afraid and ashamed of herself and for a good reason. Let's be honest, she didn't have to sell her body, Edwin said so himself and she must have known that sooner or later the past might catch up to her.

It's one thing that she tried porn to earn some money (that's what first 4 times were for), it's another when she actively sought out more "prestigious" studios after all that, knowing perfectly well that the more prominent studio the more likely it is kids at school would find out about it giving Edwin hell. During the interview with Don it's heavily implied that she does it for the money and her own pleasure. A role model mom, right?

How else would you interpret it?

 

[ffive]

So yeah, instead of doing a simple, rational thing Victoria decided to do the opposite and all of this for drama and our entertainment.

I don't think it's necessarily an "either of" thing. Victoria could very well decide to try to influence Ian, but at the same time she's still terrified of this freshly revealed Damocles sword that's Grace knowing her secret, and after getting thoroughly drunk might've decided it's better to be the person who does the reveal, than live eternally in fear it might slip out.

It's one thing that she tried porn to earn some money (that's what first 4 times were for), it's another when she actively sought out more "prestigious" studios after all that

Ehh, that's kind of bullshit. It's more than reasonable to try and find a place with better working conditions than to put up with the lowest tier of shit.

 

[ArsenHumby]

That's why you shouldn't take it seriously, I thought it was obvious. Even Edwin x Grace sex is very unlikely for various reasons (if only because of what Chuck might do and honestly, the only way it could happen is via drugs which Edwin wouldn't use against Grace I hope and Ian definitely not, considering it's his mother).

As for Victoria scene, I'm not sure what you're getting at when it's really simple. Victoria said she can't force Ian to go to school and she refused to "guide" Ian in the right direction because she felt it would betray his trust. The best she could do was to give advice from one mother to another. After the carrot method failed Grace went for the stick and then things escalated quickly, Victoria threw a tantrum and wanted to beat Grace up and Grace put Victoria down with a "bomb".

But in the end the leverage Grace got wasn't that huge since Victoria decided to tell the truth herself. So yeah, instead of doing a simple, rational thing Victoria decided to do the opposite and all of this for drama and our entertainment. She was crying because she was afraid and ashamed of herself and for a good reason. Let's be honest, she didn't have to sell her body, Edwin said so himself and she must have known that sooner or later the past might catch up to her.

It's one thing that she tried porn to earn some money (that's what first 4 times were for), it's another when she actively sought out more "prestigious" studios after all that, knowing perfectly well that the more prominent studio the more likely it is kids at school would find out about it giving Edwin hell. During the interview with Don it's heavily implied that she does it for the money and her own pleasure. A role model mom, right?

How else would you interpret it?

Someone that has the curiosity to see things from different angles i see. Still at the end of the day only the devs know what the heck will happen, corruption games can be pretty wild and unpredictable, sometimes your favorite female is getting a lot of content and bum she dead the next update XD. Don't get attached people anything can happen.

 

[TD1900]

During the interview with Don it's heavily implied that she does it for the money and her own pleasure. A role model mom, right?

Hey, man. We should all want our Moms to be happy.

 

[sunaboz]

(...)
Ehh, that's kind of bullshit. It's more than reasonable to try and find a place with better working conditions than to put up with the lowest tier of shit.

My point was that after those 4 times she should have stopped (especially since such amateur videos would be hard to find, Don's studio was another matter entirely), especially since she wasn't desperate for money, instead she went for more. Which makes me wonder, how many times/movies did she make until she was satisfied?

Edit:
It's especially risky considering that the town they live in isn't that big and everyone know each other so going for one porn studio there seems stupid unless Victoria wanted to be found out.

 

[ffive]

My point was that after those 4 times she should have stopped (especially since such amateur videos would be hard to find, Don's studio was another matter entirely), especially since she wasn't desperate for money, instead she went for more. Which makes me wonder, how many times/movies did she make until she was satisfied?

What makes you think that 4 porn flicks with the lowest dregs made her enough money to not need more and that she could have stopped, and that she wasn't desperate for it anymore?

 

[InTheWoods]

Hadn't played the last few updates but decided to get caught up with Ch4 Up5. Running Win 11 24H2 (latest update) on a Legion Go, apparently the ancient RenPy 7.3.x pukes mid-game with a "software rendering" error, then the game goes into a loop. Bummer.

Full traceback:
File "C:\avn\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up5-pc\renpy\bootstrap.py", line 316, in bootstrap
renpy.main.main()
File "C:\avn\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up5-pc\renpy\main.py", line 488, in main
renpy.game.context().run(node)
File "transformations.rpyc", line 1168, in script
File "transformations.rpyc", line 1168, in script
File "C:\avn\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up5-pc\renpy\execution.py", line 59, in check_infinite_loop
raise Exception("Possible infinite loop.")
Exception: Possible infinite loop.

Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 7.3.5.606

 

[sunaboz]

What makes you think that 4 porn flicks with the lowest dregs made her enough money to not need more and that she could have stopped, and that she wasn't desperate for it anymore?

Because Edwin said so himself at least two times:

1) "I mean, I didn't have it BAD. My mother, despite money being tight, had a knack for making every penny go far."


2) "As best as I can guess, she did it so things wouldn't change too much for me. So my life wouldn't be upended more than it already was. You know, so we wouldn't have to move. So I didn't have to change schools..."

"I guess she thought it was important for a kid to have a sense of normalcy in their life after something like that. I dunno. Even now, I don't quite get it."

 

[XxXGhost]

Any save game pls...

 

[CorprealFale]

Because Edwin said so himself at least two times:

1) "I mean, I didn't have it BAD. My mother, despite money being tight, had a knack for making every penny go far."


2) "As best as I can guess, she did it so things wouldn't change too much for me. So my life wouldn't be upended more than it already was. You know, so we wouldn't have to move. So I didn't have to change schools..."

"I guess she thought it was important for a kid to have a sense of normalcy in their life after something like that. I dunno. Even now, I don't quite get it."

This, to me, shows that all things compared. Our MC has a quite limited field of view and experience.

He doesn't take into account that he probably wouldn't know Iain without the choices his mom made.
He'd probably go to a worse school, live in a far rougher area. Maybe have worse access to good food.

His view is extremely naive. This wasn't about normalcy, but to make sure her son didn't loose even more.

 

[ffive]

Because Edwin said so himself at least two times:

1) "I mean, I didn't have it BAD. My mother, despite money being tight, had a knack for making every penny go far."

But that's a result of Victoria doing (probably way) more than 4 porn flicks. And even then, Edwin notes that the money was tight.

Playing in porn flicks is not a lucrative career. If it was, then there wouldn't be so many girls washing out after just 1 or 2 when they discover it's actually not fun (or at the very least less fun than they thought) like Donovan notes.

2) "As best as I can guess, she did it so things wouldn't change too much for me. So my life wouldn't be upended more than it already was. You know, so we wouldn't have to move. So I didn't have to change schools..."

"I guess she thought it was important for a kid to have a sense of normalcy in their life after something like that. I dunno. Even now, I don't quite get it."

And are we seriously going to look down our noses on her and turn it into Victoria not being a good mother because she did questionable thing to shield Edwin from these alternatives? As opposed to making his life miserable so she could avoid making more porn movies?

 

[ffive]

On a completely different note, peeking in the game script it's kind of funny that when you meet Rose she tells MC that she has this idea/fantasy of sex without any talk, just with eye contact... but in this update if you pick this option with her it has no impact on her libido, and it's actually choosing to express yourself in words that adds a point to it.

(also wow, the degradation sex scene is like 10 times longer than the alternative. We can see where the dev priorities lie

edit: also, also

                        $ w3RosalindEndlessBJWorks = True

lol.

 

[sunaboz]

(...)
But that's a result of Victoria doing (probably way) more than 4 porn flicks. And even then, Edwin notes that the money was tight. (...)

I'm pretty sure that when she said "four" it really was "four". Why would she lie to an employer and porn-veteran who might have done some preliminary background check (which his "it's not your first time" suggests) before he allowed for them to meet? He has assistant, an office and as Victoria said is a big step-up compared to her previous "colleagues" so wasting his time and lying to him would be counter-productive.

As for porn being not lucrative, that's actually an argument against Victoria as a mother. Instead of getting another job or some less dirty side-gig (or just lowering her living standards) she decided to take a path of least resistance.

And are we seriously going to look down our noses on her and turn it into Victoria not being a good mother because she did questionable thing to shield Edwin from these alternatives? As opposed to making his life miserable so she could avoid making more porn movies?

I didn't say that Victoria isn't a good mother, I heavily implied she's not a role model like some of you are implying. And yeah, lowering living standards seems like not such a bad deal considering the alternative of a risk that EVERYONE at school would know that Edwin's mother did porn. With each movie she did that risk increased significantly and once she shot with Donovan it was practically assured that it will get out sooner or later (we're talking about a woman who went to a porn studio in a town she was living in).

Anyway, it's a porn game and porn logic is applied so I shouldn't nitpick too much but it's fun to discuss so... :].

Edit:
Forgot to add that her number could be easily determined by thanks to porn videos (on VHS or whatever).

 

[Deleted member 4375198]

Rosalind also has, in her physical and personality traits, an almost incestuous union of the paradoxical concepts of the madonna and prostitute complex. Fucking Rosalind is almost like fucking Virgin Mary in a way. It's fucking exciting to have a game that deals with the dichotomy of Apollo and Dionysus in such an explicit and amoral way.

But actually I just wanted to know how the fuck I can get Rosalind to stay in the apartment

 

[ffive]

I'm pretty sure that when she said "four" it really was "four". Why would she lie to an employer and porn-veteran who might have done some preliminary background check (which his "it's not your first time" suggests) before he allowed for them to meet?

I think we have a misunderstanding here. My point was, that you are talking how Victoria should've stopped making porn flicks after she made these 4, because you believe she made enough money with those 4, and cite Edwin's words as the proof of it.

But the situation Edwin talks about is one that is a result of Victoria not stopping at those 4. She made additional ones afterwards with Donovan, and Edwin's financial situation is the result of this decision (and the extra money she made)

In other words, if Victoria stopped at those 4 flicks like you say she should've then Edwin's and hers financial situation would be way worse than that. If you believe that would make her "a better mother" then, well, fine, that's something we'd just have to disagree on.

As for porn being not lucrative, that's actually an argument against Victoria as a mother. Instead of getting another job or some less dirty side-gig (or just lowering her living standards) she decided to take a path of least resistance.

You really think whoring yourself out is "the path of least resistance"? I'm sorry but this is now complete bullshit.

People do menial regular jobs not because it's harder to put up with, than getting fucked by strangers for money. Quite the opposite.

And yeah, lowering living standards seems like not such a bad deal considering the alternative of a risk that EVERYONE at school would know that Edwin's mother did porn.

People possibly finding out was just a potential risk. Spending years living in shitty conditions would be guaranteed alternative that would affect Edwin's life for sure. Victoria took a gamble instead of just rolling over and making her son's life worse. I really don't think she deserves claims that makes her bad role model or whatever.

 

[ffive]

But actually I just wanted to know how the fuck I can get Rosalind to stay in the apartment

You can't. You can make her an offer but she goes back to her place for the time being. But i'd guess if you made her the offer then she might discover that she's now feeling quite lonely in her empty apartment, and takes Edwin up on that offer eventually.

 

[XLSergioXL]

What should I delete from build 4.4, to stop getting "You have reached the end of this build" in 4.5?

 

[Deleted member 4375198]

You can't. You can make her an offer but she goes back to her place for the time being. But i'd guess if you made her the offer then she might discover that she's now feeling quite lonely in her empty apartment, and takes Edwin up on that offer eventually.

Thank you, generous gentleman

 

[MagicMan753]

(also wow, the degradation sex scene is like 10 times longer than the alternative. We can see where the dev priorities lie

Probably exaggerating, I wouldn't say its ten times longer, but it is still longer, slightly disappointing. That coupled with a small scene on the couch in previous update, that you need to skip Veronica outing for and Ian threesome which is something I don't enjoy, just was looking forward to this update, for something to sink my teeth into.

But I believe we will get a longer romance scene in week 4, that will make up for it hopefully., just have to be patient and trust in the devs, which I do.

 

[sunaboz]

(...)
My point was, that you are talking how Victoria should've stopped making porn flicks after she made these 4, because you believe she made enough money with those 4, and cite Edwin's words as the proof of it. (...)

No, that wasn't my point. My point was that Victoria did porn for extra money, it wasn't necessary for her to do it but she did it anyway. Selling her huge house alone and moving to a smaller apartment would allow her to live off the profit for quite some time (for one, as Victoria said this house is too big even for the two of them, for two, costs of living would go down).

You're also forgetting the fact that when Edwin said all these things he watched every movie his mother made (that he got his hands on). It's not like he suddenly bought the one that Donovonan made. So my point is when Edwin said that he got all the facts.