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I've noticed a lot of talk about Kat lately, and since she's my favorite character, I'm thrilled by the enthusiasm surrounding her. I really like how Kat brings out the MC's true personality and pushes him to do crazy things. I'm really curious to see how their relationship will develop, especially after the scene in his office in the latest update.
 

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As TD said, it's s slow week numbers wise, but we all know how distracting it can get around the holidays - be that baking cookies or looting gifts without alerting the zombie hordes. The important point is that TD and GIL have averaged roughly 30 statics images, 4.5 animations and 789 words per week since the last dev diary. Overall they are have averaged ~48 statics, 2.9 animations and 908 words per week since the estimated start of work on Chapter 4 Update 7. Here are the charts for Week 9:
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By historical standards the update is off to a slow start on Static Images and Words, though it's doing fairly well on animations. Presumably most of that is a result of increasingly complex pathing as we get to the crux of the Exhibition that forms a pivotal point of the story. Given the stakes, I find TD's enthusiasm for telling that story to be not only comforting but downright infectious, which is why I'm not too worried by how long the update winds up taking to finish. I'd say that's all the more remarkable since I'm personally not all that keen on the prospect of seeing Kathleen in her happy place, but the game has done excellent work building to the moment.

Anyway, I hope all the denizens of this board (and especially our devs) a happy holiday season!
Hi ename144, given the fact that the upcoming update is supposed to only be the exhibition and was supposed to be included in the last update, I gather it should be a short update, right ? Given what you know, when would you guess the update to be released on a 2-month window ?
 
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Hi ename144, given the fact that the upcoming update is supposed to only be the exhibition and was supposed to be included in the last update, I gather it should be a short update, right ? Given what you know, when would you guess the update to be released on a 2-month window ?
Going by the post you quoted, I venture his guess is however long "the update winds up taking to finish". :Kappa:
 

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I was wondering if anyone had really thought about what would happen to each of the carnations if they lost, for example, would Veronica become a club slut to raise her gym, and what about Rose, whether the club had bought out her debt or not?
That's the main reason i'm going to let Felicia win. Her's is the only "wish" that can't be obtained by just keep doing what they allready are doing. Rose and Nicky might be more desperate, but they are allready way to deep in to refuse to keep just working as hookers to pay their debts.

I feel like thats ultimately Kat's goal for the entire summer exibition thing anyways. Train 3 sluts to be new house girls, and create a massive hype around them being there. Like even after the first exibition depending on who you chose to be the last, someone offers to pay 5k to bang the carnation, so by the end of the summer, each one of the members is going to be dying to just get into the girls pants, and would pay huge sums to do so. What better advertisement for the clubs "new girls"
 

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That's the main reason i'm going to let Felicia win. Her's is the only "wish" that can't be obtained by just keep doing what they allready are doing. Rose and Nicky might be more desperate, but they are allready way to deep in to refuse to keep just working as hookers to pay their debts.

I feel like thats ultimately Kat's goal for the entire summer exibition thing anyways. Train 3 sluts to be new house girls, and create a massive hype around them being there. Like even after the first exibition depending on who you chose to be the last, someone offers to pay 5k to bang the carnation, so by the end of the summer, each one of the members is going to be dying to just get into the girls pants, and would pay huge sums to do so. What better advertisement for the clubs "new girls"
Nope. You totally misinterpreted what the Summer Exhibition is.


That's the main reason i'm going to let Felicia win. Her's is the only "wish" that can't be obtained by just keep doing what they allready are doing. Rose and Nicky might be more desperate, but they are allready way to deep in to refuse to keep just working as hookers to pay their debts.

I feel like thats ultimately Kat's goal for the entire summer exibition thing anyways. Train 3 sluts to be new house girls, and create a massive hype around them being there. Like even after the first exibition depending on who you chose to be the last, someone offers to pay 5k to bang the carnation, so by the end of the summer, each one of the members is going to be dying to just get into the girls pants, and would pay huge sums to do so. What better advertisement for the clubs "new girls"
And... definitely nope. They don't need to train anyone. They can find house girls anywhere.

And you forgot how the exhibition event that Edwin watched with the USB flash drive Kat gave him ended: the club member had sex with the carnations over and over and over... without paying anything.


Kat's goal? entertain the club members while having the most fun in her own personal way at the same time.
 

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Kat's goal? entertain the club members while having the most fun in her own personal way at the same time.
Jain!(Yesno) While you are spot on with Kat´s goals concerning the Summer Carnation Events, her newest plot is - new. Since she wants to take the lead in the club for herself. Kath currently has a pretty much sinecure position, both in the club and her charities, which she now risks for minuscle gains. But that is hardcore sadism at work. A majority of them want more, no matter if some restraint would be far better for them in the short and long run.
 

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Hi ename144, given the fact that the upcoming update is supposed to only be the exhibition and was supposed to be included in the last update, I gather it should be a short update, right ? Given what you know, when would you guess the update to be released on a 2-month window ?
That's not an easy question to answer as this is a fairly unprecedented situation. TD and GIL have stated their desire to get Chapter 4 Update 7 out in a four months dev cycle (which would be around Valentine's Day) so I presume they're making a concerted effort to keep the update lean and mean. Even so, it's not clear exactly how much work there is to be done - much less how to translate that into a chartable metric. Chapter 2 Update 2 was the first week's Exhibition, and had 1906 static images. Granted, that was the entire evening whereas Chapter 4 Update 7 is just the stage portion, but there were no animations back then and I assume we'll still have a bit more branching this time. So let's use that as a benchmark for our wild guesses.

The last dev diary said 435 statics have been completed so we'd have about 1471 to go. At their present overall average pace (somewhere around 50 statics/week), that would take about 29 weeks to complete. Of course the current average is well below what they're capable of; they averaged ~75 statics/week during development of Ch4Up6, and can easily hit peaks of 120+ for shorter periods. So they could plausibly crank out all the statics in as little as 11 weeks - and that's ignoring the possibility that the update might not need that many.

If we stick to a 1400 number, all this would give us a rough ballpark of 11-29 weeks (plus a couple weeks for wrap up and testing). That's not a particularly useful estimate, and it's notably on the longer side: 10 weeks from last dev diary would be February 22, 2026. But what that says to me is that this update is likely to go over the desired deadline. In order to hit the desired 4 month cycle, the devs will need either to hit their stride pretty soon and maintain it throughout the cycle, or will need to keep the total content in the update very streamlined. Neither of those are impossible by any means, but with the holidays taking a little of everyone's time and with the increased complexity of the game at this point, I think it's more likely that the schedule will err on the longer side.

Now just to be clear, this is not me throwing shade at our devs. TD and GIL are awesome! I believe they are doing their level best to get this update out ASAP, and it's entirely possible they will succeed. But looking at where we are at the moment and trying to guess what they have in mind for the chapter finale, my personal feeling is that the compromises necessary to keep the update to a four month cycle will ultimately prove a little too high a price to pay, so our devs will err on the side of giving us the best material they can even if it takes a little longer. If you want to put a date on it, maybe sometime in mid-March as a rough release date.

But that's just a wild guess. We just don't have enough info at this time to bring the error bars down to a reasonable level. Personally, I don't think it's worth worrying too much about the deadline: as long as the quality is there (and that has never been a problem in this game), the devs can take as long as they need in my book. But obviously we'd all be happy to get the update sooner, and it may turn out that the stage portion of the Exhibition takes a lot less artwork than I'm expecting. We'll just have to keep our fingers crossed and see what happens.
 

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Chapter 2 Update 2 was the first week's Exhibition, and had 1906 static images. Granted, that was the entire evening whereas Chapter 4 Update 7 is just the stage portion, but there were no animations back then and I assume we'll still have a bit more branching this time. So let's use that as a benchmark for our wild guesses.
It's not just animations either that has skewed toward longer development times, but overall complexity within scenes. I don't have concrete numbers, but I feel fairly confident that both our statics per individual scene has gone up as well as unquantifiable metrics like GIL's choreography becoming more advanced. And, obviously, a scene like the orgy from the last update is not made equal to Edwin and a couple other people chilling in his apartment. Which, that's kinda what an exhibition is at a larger scale.

Even before our creative struggles, it is a fairly good read that the 4 month goal was ambitious. Especially since it was made with Thanksgiving and Christmas looming in the home stretch. Right now I feel dubious, but there's always the hope we find our stride. Even after doing this almost six years, translating the vagaries of even a single scene in my mind into actionable work for GIL can be difficult to judge. Sometimes things go quicker than you expect, but more often then not, I stretch things out - for better AND worse. The creative process is nebulous and that's why we've never really shared our internal estimates before.

This time is an experiment to see how we do with a public number hanging over our head.
We'll definitely communicate in advance if our stated goal becomes 100% untenable.
 

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It's not just animations either that has skewed toward longer development times, but overall complexity within scenes. I don't have concrete numbers, but I feel fairly confident that both our statics per individual scene has gone up as well as unquantifiable metrics like GIL's choreography becoming more advanced. And, obviously, a scene like the orgy from the last update is not made equal to Edwin and a couple other people chilling in his apartment. Which, that's kinda what an exhibition is at a larger scale.

Even before our creative struggles, it is a fairly good read that the 4 month goal was ambitious. Especially since it was made with Thanksgiving and Christmas looming in the home stretch. Right now I feel dubious, but there's always the hope we find our stride. Even after doing this almost six years, translating the vagaries of even a single scene in my mind into actionable work for GIL can be difficult to judge. Sometimes things go quicker than you expect, but more often then not, I stretch things out - for better AND worse. The creative process is nebulous and that's why we've never really shared our internal estimates before.

This time is an experiment to see how we do with a public number hanging over our head.
We'll definitely communicate in advance if our stated goal becomes 100% untenable.
I believe in you can do it, but I really hope you’re not pushing yourself too hard. I’d much rather the upcoming update take longer than see you feeling overstressed or missing out on time with friends and family.

Keep up the good work, and I hope you have a joyful Christmas.
 

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It's not just animations either that has skewed toward longer development times, but overall complexity within scenes. I don't have concrete numbers, but I feel fairly confident that both our statics per individual scene has gone up as well as unquantifiable metrics like GIL's choreography becoming more advanced. And, obviously, a scene like the orgy from the last update is not made equal to Edwin and a couple other people chilling in his apartment. Which, that's kinda what an exhibition is at a larger scale.

Even before our creative struggles, it is a fairly good read that the 4 month goal was ambitious. Especially since it was made with Thanksgiving and Christmas looming in the home stretch. Right now I feel dubious, but there's always the hope we find our stride. Even after doing this almost six years, translating the vagaries of even a single scene in my mind into actionable work for GIL can be difficult to judge. Sometimes things go quicker than you expect, but more often then not, I stretch things out - for better AND worse. The creative process is nebulous and that's why we've never really shared our internal estimates before.

This time is an experiment to see how we do with a public number hanging over our head.
We'll definitely communicate in advance if our stated goal becomes 100% untenable.
Hello TD, see this time I say take all the time you need. Much easier after the update split. Otherwise I would sit on needles right now.
In other news me like my red hat:love:.
 
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