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[sunaboz]

I'm starting to think that the main reason Edwin got the job wasn't because Ian requested it but because Chuck was fascinated by Victoria (she saw how he looked at her and it made her uneasy) and wanted a decent chance at corrupting her / fucking her / fucking with her. We know he has a thing for sick games and what better opportunity than having her son being compromised and a perfect target for blackmail. I can imagine Chuck going to Victoria and saying: you will be available for our pleasure or we will destroy your son's career. I doubt she would refuse.

Being sick man that he is Chuck will organise a masked orgy where Edwin will fuck Victoria not knowing it's her, leaving everyone broken in the end, just like he did with that golf instructor.

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[ename144]

I'm starting to think that the main reason Edwin got the job wasn't because Ian requested it but because Chuck was fascinated by Victoria (she saw how he looked at her and it made her uneasy) and wanted a decent chance at corrupting her / fucking her / fucking with her. We know he has a thing for sick games and what better opportunity than having her son being compromised and a perfect target for blackmail. I can imagine Chuck going to Victoria and saying: you will be available for our pleasure or we will destroy your son's career. I doubt she would refuse.

Being sick man that he is Chuck will organise a masked orgy where Edwin will fuck Victoria not knowing it's her, leaving everyone broken in the end, just like he did with that golf instructor.

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I see no reason to think that. Chuck had years to set something up with Victoria after all, yet never tried anything (AFAWK). Moreover, what we know of Chuck's sick games suggest he's less interested in corrupting women than he is at humiliating them, apparently by literally beating them at their own game. If he wanted to go after Victoria, the last thing he'd do is go through the MC to get there. IMHO, obviously.

I think this is a case where the surface explanation is more compelling. We know Chuck cares about Ian, and I suspect that, like Grace, he recognized the MC as a tool that could break Ian out of his fuckboy rut - his plan was just a lot more effective since he is a much better manipulator and knows Ian much better than Grace. The fact that Chuck finds the MC mildly interesting in his own right sealed the deal.

 

[Ottoeight]

I see no reason to think that. Chuck had years to set something up with Victoria after all, yet never tried anything (AFAWK). Moreover, what we know of Chuck's sick games suggest he's less interested in corrupting women than he is at humiliating them, apparently by literally beating them at their own game. If he wanted to go after Victoria, the last thing he'd do is go through the MC to get there. IMHO, obviously.

I think this is a case where the surface explanation is more compelling. We know Chuck cares about Ian, and I suspect that, like Grace, he recognized the MC as a tool that could break Ian out of his fuckboy rut - his plan was just a lot more effective since he is a much better manipulator and knows Ian much better than Grace. The fact that Chuck finds the MC mildly interesting in his own right sealed the deal.

They will never give up, Won't they?

 

[Flowing Thought]

I see no reason to think that. Chuck had years to set something up with Victoria after all, yet never tried anything (AFAWK). Moreover, what we know of Chuck's sick games suggest he's less interested in corrupting women than he is at humiliating them, apparently by literally beating them at their own game.

He's going to become a better porn star than she ever was.

 

[Randomguy3478]

I'm starting to think that the main reason Edwin got the job wasn't because Ian requested it but because Chuck was fascinated by Victoria (she saw how he looked at her and it made her uneasy) and wanted a decent chance at corrupting her / fucking her / fucking with her. We know he has a thing for sick games and what better opportunity than having her son being compromised and a perfect target for blackmail. I can imagine Chuck going to Victoria and saying: you will be available for our pleasure or we will destroy your son's career. I doubt she would refuse.

Being sick man that he is Chuck will organise a masked orgy where Edwin will fuck Victoria not knowing it's her, leaving everyone broken in the end, just like he did with that golf instructor.

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cinema at its finest lol

PS: did chuck meet victoria? what did he do to the golf instructor? can't remember

I see no reason to think that. Chuck had years to set something up with Victoria after all, yet never tried anything (AFAWK). Moreover, what we know of Chuck's sick games suggest he's less interested in corrupting women than he is at humiliating them, apparently by literally beating them at their own game. If he wanted to go after Victoria, the last thing he'd do is go through the MC to get there. IMHO, obviously.

I think this is a case where the surface explanation is more compelling. We know Chuck cares about Ian, and I suspect that, like Grace, he recognized the MC as a tool that could break Ian out of his fuckboy rut - his plan was just a lot more effective since he is a much better manipulator and knows Ian much better than Grace. The fact that Chuck finds the MC mildly interesting in his own right sealed the deal.

I think with chuck's games its like this: corrupting < ... < humiliating < feeling superior/powerful/in control

would fit with his words to abel that its always about power/ego (?)

 

[Turret]

I see no reason to think that. Chuck had years to set something up with Victoria after all, yet never tried anything (AFAWK). Moreover, what we know of Chuck's sick games suggest he's less interested in corrupting women than he is at humiliating them, apparently by literally beating them at their own game. If he wanted to go after Victoria, the last thing he'd do is go through the MC to get there. IMHO, obviously.

I think this is a case where the surface explanation is more compelling. We know Chuck cares about Ian, and I suspect that, like Grace, he recognized the MC as a tool that could break Ian out of his fuckboy rut - his plan was just a lot more effective since he is a much better manipulator and knows Ian much better than Grace. The fact that Chuck finds the MC mildly interesting in his own right sealed the deal.

I agree that it is more probable that Chuck took Edwin into the boat to get Ian to "wake up" from his funk. Chuck cares for Ian and Edwin in his own way.

I think you underestimate the danger Chuck is representing. He is not just into humiliation, there were already too many hints in the game is a torturer at best, a murderer at worst. Remember, Dalia is deathly afraid of Chuck, Sophia, hardly a damsel in distress, but a dangerous woman of her own, finds Chuck scary. Chuck is obviously disappointed that even if he should ever win over Sophia at Chess, he cannot maim or leave anything permanent done to her since she is too useful, too good in her work. It is very clear that he did something permanent to his other victims.

 

[Randomguy3478]

It is very clear that he did something permanent to his other victims.

has dalia real tits - BUT FAKE LIMBS??



im very curious to find out what he did. enjoyed that chuck had screentime last update

 

[Turret]

has dalia real tits - BUT FAKE LIMBS??



im very curious to find out what he did. enjoyed that chuck had screentime last update

Dalia, like Sophia, has her uses for Chuck and the Club. So he held back. It is rather clear by inference that e.g. his golf instructor was not so lucky.
I too am curious what exactly chuck does. As written in an earlier post, I think he is a torturer who maybe also kills the women where he does not need to hold back. Remember August´s talk with his friend Otto. He mentions that he´s worried about Chuck and Kath´s mental state and actions. That they get worse!

 

[sunaboz]

I see no reason to think that. (...)

Obviously, hence I've literally said that "this won't happen of course". It triggered people though just as I thought it would :]. I'm neither an incest fan or Victoria fan and for me Victoria could not exist and the story wouldn't lose any of its quality. Her only purpose is for us to see that Edwin is fucked up in the head considering he's regularly watching porn with his mom in the movies.

(...)
He is not just into humiliation, there were already too many hints in the game is a torturer at best, a murderer at worst. (...)

We know that Chuck isn't a fan of violence, he prefers more sophisticated methods of dealing with people. We know he "broke" some of the women he interacted with but we will probably never learn what he did because any explanation TD might come up with would be too far-fetched and unconvincing, hence it's vague like that.

 

[Turret]

Obviously, hence I've literally said that "this won't happen of course". It triggered people though just as I thought it would :]. I'm neither an incest fan or Victoria fan and for me Victoria could not exist and the story wouldn't lose any of its quality. Her only purpose is for us to see that Edwin is fucked up in the head considering he's regularly watching porn with his mom in the movies.


We know that Chuck isn't a fan of violence, he prefers more sophisticated methods of dealing with people. We know he "broke" some of the women he interacted with but we will probably never learn what he did because any explanation TD might come up with would be too far-fetched and unconvincing, hence it's vague like that.

I agree with you that TD most probably wil only hint at what Chuck did, the own fantasy works better than descriptions sometimes, but I think you underestimate Chuck´s potential for violence. He is obviously disappointed that he cannot maim Sophia since she is too valuable, but for example the golf instructor was not.
As I mentioned before august is worried what happens in his circle and that Chuck and Kath´s deeds become worse.

 

[Randomguy3478]

Dalia, like Sophia, has her uses for Chuck and the Club. So he held back. It is rather clear by inference that e.g. his golf instructor was not so lucky.
I too am curious what exactly chuck does. As written in an earlier post, I think he is a torturer who maybe also kills the women where he does not need to hold back. Remember August´s talk with his friend Otto. He mentions that he´s worried about Chuck and Kath´s mental state and actions. That they get worse!

In which scene is the golf instructor mentioned?

Since august in that scene with otto also mentiones that he has to go behind chucks back to deal with people violently I kinda assumed he means that chuck and kat start to lose it in regards to their passions. If that means extreme violence?

Maybe chuck DOES make a difference between using violence to solve problems and using violence for purely arousing reasons...

But I doubt it. Iirc there hasn't been a incident of violence against a woman in the game aside from the warren x prostitute hints - which where presented like a case of genocide. TD seems more interested in psychological sadism, so I would assume chuck is in that line as well.

Hope we find out. Chucks one of my favourite characters.

There is also still the unsolved mystery of jacobs blue eye, no?

 

[Turret]

In which scene is the golf instructor mentioned?

In the new update, when Sophia and Chuck talk after a chess match

 

[ManipuliereGlied]

Okay I just finished the current update and what a cliffhanger. took me totally by surprise and I can't wait for the next episode. poor feli...

Also I hope the Hana GF route will pay off in the future. besides very little changed lines and missing scenes there isn't anything different so far (now i need to manage 3 parallel playthroughs though because I'm unsure about my "canon run" )

 

[Turret]

Okay I just finished the current update and what a cliffhanger. took me totally by surprise and I can't wait for the next episode. poor feli...

Also I hope the Hana GF route will pay off in the future. besides very little changed lines and missing scenes there isn't anything different so far (now i need to manage 3 parallel playthroughs though because I'm unsure about my "canon run" )

I think the Hana GF path will reap some nice fruits in the long run, don´t fear. I have 3 "canon" runs, one for Hana, one for Felicia and one for Sophia. In the hope we get her as a late LI, since our MC and her fit well togehter depending on our choices - nerd power for the win!

 

[ManipuliereGlied]

I think the Hana GF path will reap some nice fruits in the long run, don´t fear. I have 3 "canon" runs, one for Hana, one for Felicia and one for Sophia. In the hope we get her as a late LI, since our MC and her fit well togehter depending on our choices - nerd power for the win!

Currently I have the Hana GF path where I was also on Felicias and Minas path but ended those. Then the exact same one with Hana as FWB and continuing Feli and Mina. And a third “perfect” one where I just try to max the carnation stats and get other scenes.

But now that I think about it maybe I should make another one where a different person wins the challenges (although I’m not sure if the game will go much past the challenge month so if it really matters that much) and also one creep / super-loyal-to-club one where its just max sadism.

 

[Turret]

Currently I have the Hana GF path where I was also on Felicias and Minas path but ended those. Then the exact same one with Hana as FWB and continuing Feli and Mina. And a third “perfect” one where I just try to max the carnation stats and get other scenes.

But now that I think about it maybe I should make another one where a different person wins the challenges (although I’m not sure if the game will go much past the challenge month so if it really matters that much) and also one creep / super-loyal-to-club one where its just max sadism.

Well for my 3 canon runs, in them I also try to keep good relations with most other characters. Beside those 3 I have saves for runs I do not consider head canon, but are for getting other scenes. A "FWB" path and a "Just for the money" path.

As an aside, you can be very loyal to the Club without being a total creep. Like some other players I theorise that later in the game we can decide to leave the Club, stay in the Club as it is currently is and stay in the Club but change some things for the better.

 

[ManipuliereGlied]

As an aside, you can be very loyal to the Club without being a total creep. Like some other players I theorise that later in the game we can decide to leave the Club, stay in the Club as it is currently is and stay in the Club but change some things for the better.

I meant loyal to the club as in loyal to the mindset of the owners. Also I'm curious if befriending Kathleen or making her hate me will give me the option of throwing her out the window

 

[Turret]

I meant loyal to the club as in loyal to the mindset of the owners. Also I'm curious if befriending Kathleen or making her hate me will give me the option of throwing her out the window

Ah, that explains it. As for making Kath hate you, this might be done better later in the game since if Kath does not trust us enough you can get an early game over. So you need some trust with her, it does not have to be all that much, but you need some in the earlier parts of the game.
A personal opinion: Score some brownie points with August, esp. if you go after Hana as GF, this might come in handy later.

 

[ManipuliereGlied]

A personal opinion: Score some brownie points with August, esp. if you go after Hana as GF, this might come in handy later.

But so far its not possible to get him to trust you isn't it? Or maybe only if you do everything perfectly

 

[Turret]

But so far its not possible to get him to trust you isn't it? Or maybe only if you do everything perfectly

Going by a post of TD himself, trust points for August are/can be scored in certain events only and need to add up for him to trust you someday. I doubt it is possible to have August trust you fully yet in the game, still we can reach it during later stages.
But having quite a number of like points with August already helps in some situations. There are differences if August likes you or not.