VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Das_Peanut]

Maybe one of you people can give me your thoughts but what is the point of having so many Mom (Victoria) porn/casting couch flashbacks if Mom is never going to be an LI? (...)

It's hot.

It's hot and kinda fucked up – which, I suppose, is very much the point.

 

[ffive]

It's hot and kinda fucked up

"It's hot and kinda fucked up" should be the tagline.

 

[ReservoirCreature]

Just reacting on this, she signed a pre-nup so she will probably get nothing in the divorce

The point of a prenup is usually to ensure that you /do/ get something in the divorce. I guess you theoretically could sign away your rights with a prenup but why would you?

 

[ename144]

I strongly disagree -- that scene can be seen as quite a contradiction to how MC is coping with the fact his mom did porn, and the whole "she's sacrificed herself for me" narrative he's built in his head. In the same manner the MC has apparently (tried to) block that video from his memory, it now puts a doubt in the player's mind about Victoria's motivations re: the whole porn thing and whether it was really nothing but sacrifice on her part.

I see this line of thinking a lot, but I'll admit I've never quite bought in. Victoria enjoying some of her shoots (which certainly seems plausible with Donovan) doesn't really counter the idea she was making a sacrifice for the MC. The two are hardly mutually exclusive. As with the Kathleen's insistence that the MC's sadism is his "true" self, the fact that one part of a mix is salacious doesn't instantly render the other part a mere facade.

Personally, I think the crucial distinction is entirely in how the MC chooses to handle the information. Obsessing over her how his mother's porn films is ultimately objectifying her, which in turn is going to have a corrosive affect on their maternal relationship. But it would have that effect regardless of whether she was doing it for lust or love. To the extent her motivation matters, it's only in making the video hotter (or at least more voyeuristic) when she's thoroughly enjoying herself. IMHO.

 

[-Moon]

[Still progressing in my first playthrough]

Damn, I not gonna lie, I stared at my screen for half an hour faced with the choice of :

1. Make Hana your Goth GF
2. Stay Fuck buddies with her

After reading carefully (multiple times) the dialogue after both options; I finally made the choice not to listen to my heart, because the curiosity to discover the most of what this game has to offer got the best of me and I can't stand lying (even if it's all a game, I'll be too afraid of breaking hearts, even if they're only virtual.)

Can't wait to finish this absolute marvelous game and start again at this point of the story to see how things goes on the other side.

But, once again, what a game.

 

[ffive]

The point of a prenup is usually to ensure that you /do/ get something in the divorce. I guess you theoretically could sign away your rights with a prenup but why would you?

It's not unusual for a rich person to arrange such a prenup as a "proof"/guarantee their partner isn't only getting into the marriage as a money making scheme.

 

[Elduriel]

The point of a prenup is usually to ensure that you /do/ get something in the divorce. I guess you theoretically could sign away your rights with a prenup but why would you?

a prenup is really just a contract, and depending on what you sign, you can get everything or nothing, or anything in-between

 

[ReservoirCreature]

It's not unusual for a rich person to arrange such a prenup as a "proof"/guarantee their partner isn't only getting into the marriage as a money making scheme.

a prenup is really just a contract, and depending on what you sign, you can get everything or nothing, or anything in-between

Fair 'nuff.

 

[Turret]

Now in the latest update he cares for MCs mom more than for his own. Feels like some kind of forced attempt at an Ian redemption arc.

Hi! Actually no, it isn´t a forced attempt. It is established throughout the game that Vicki was more of a Mom to Ian than Grace ever was. For Grace Ian to this day is more a pawn than a son. The precious few love he got was from Vicki and Alice. Part of why Ian is so fucked up is that Grace is colder than Dr. Lundgren.

 

[sunaboz]

(...) Victoria enjoying some of her shoots (which certainly seems plausible with Donovan) doesn't really counter the idea she was making a sacrifice for the MC. The two are hardly mutually exclusive. (...)

We could talk about sacrifice if Victoria took another job and worked as a waitress for example (besides her day job), this on the other hand makes her a dirty whore. She had so many options, including selling her house and even moving away or asking for help her or her husband's parents (we don't know much about them, only that they didn't have good relations, well maybe they didn't want to have anything to do with a whore or Victoria preferred to become a whore than begging them for help) but she chose the path most enjoyable for her and most risky.

It's one thing that she tried porn to earn some money (that's what first 4 times were for), it's another when she actively sought out more "prestigious" studios after all that, knowing perfectly well that the more prominent studio the more likely it is kids at school would find out about it giving Edwin hell. During the interview with Don it's heavily implied that she does it for the money and her own pleasure. A role model mom, right?

But I'm repeating myself:
https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-up-5-public-mutt-jeff.50281/post-15782638
https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-up-5-public-mutt-jeff.50281/post-15782895
https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-up-5-public-mutt-jeff.50281/post-15783163
https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-up-5-public-mutt-jeff.50281/post-15783407

 

[ffive]

knowing perfectly well that the more prominent studio the more likely it is kids at school would find out about it giving Edwin hell

Why would a porn movie studio that's less of a shithole mean it's easier for Victoria to be found out? Do you think mid-schoolers from Edwin's school get together to watch connoisseur porn movies, sipping champagne and popping their monocles at particularly raunchy scenes? Or that their parents do, and then tell their kids in detail what a mother of one of their classmates is up to? That is all presuming any of them even know what Victoria looks like, much less make a connection?

 

[Ozymandias037]

"It's hot and kinda fucked up" should be the tagline.

 

[CeilingFanStan]

I. it's the kind of game that makes you uncomfortable but it's also unique. I will say that how much you would like it depends on your mindset. People either leave early because it make them uneasy or sticky around for the story.

II. i will say that this is unique project. Both because the Club is unique thing, as well as because the developers actually can write good stories. I love AVN but quite of them have, less than stelar stories. Most others have "sex as something added rather than centerpiece of the story".

III. Give the previous schedule, as well as that there was updated recently, probably 9 months to an year from now on. Thou next update could be said to be "culmination" of sort.

I. Personally, I love it, so I might not be the best person to ask. It has definitely turned some people off due to subject matter and some scenes. I think there's probably a little bit of love/hate spectrum going on, but I also know some people who fall in between. Best way to find out is to play!

II. I agree with Henchmen13 that this is unique among the games that I've played. There are others that are written well, but it's hard to come up with a strong analogy.

III. Yeah, I dunno if it'll be 9 months or only 6, but it's definitely gonna be a minute.

IV. I don't know the answer, but I hope the woodchuck survived your questioning.

1. The subject matter of the game can definitely provoke strong feelings, but that said it's not as polarizing as I would expect. Those of us who love it love it, but people who dislike it mostly seem to ignore it.
2. I don't think there's a good comparison out there. Pale Carnations is a corruption game, but it's an intellectual corruption of a male MC, and it spends considerable time fleshing out the less corrupt routes as well.
3. The game was just updated in December, and the next update is likely to be a large one. You're looking at a 6+ month wait for Update 6. For comparison, Chapter 4 Update 1 was released on October 17, 2022.
4. As much wood as a woodchuck would chuck. If a woodchuck could chuck wood.

I. I absolutely love this game, but one of the reasons why, is because the story makes you question your morality from time to time, it can also make you a feel uncomfortable depending on your mindset with these games or how "vanilla" are your tastes.

II. This game is very unique compared to some others in the site, I don't have any game in mind I could think off and call it "similar" to Pale carnations.

III. The most recent update dropped a few weeks ago, now is the best time to start playing imo, the wait time for the next update will likely take 6-9 months given the updates of this game tend to be packed with lots of stuff.

Thank you to each of you for your responses. They are appreciated and quite interesting in how similar they really are. Although a quality made product will probably create that. Knowing that the next update is likely a bit of time away, I shall give it a try. As for the woodchuck I can not comment on that matter at this moment.

 

[Yanagi-san]

Any saves or gallery unlock?

 

[lustforsex]

 

[Thor875]

Warum sollte ein Pornofilmstudio, das weniger ein Drecksloch ist, bedeuten, dass es für Victoria einfacher ist, entdeckt zu werden? Glaubst du, dass sich Schüler aus Edwins Schule treffen, um sich Kenner-Pornofilme anzusehen, Champagner zu schlürfen und ihre Monokel in besonders schlüpfrigen Szenen knallen zu lassen? Oder dass ihre Eltern es tun und dann ihren Kindern detailliert erzählen, was die Mutter eines ihrer Klassenkameraden vorhat? Das setzt alles voraus, dass irgendjemand von ihnen überhaupt weiß, wie Victoria aussieht, geschweige denn eine Verbindung herstellt?
[/ZITAT]

A classmate, why not. I knew a lot of parents when I was at school. The bullying would be terrible. And after all, Edwin found out. I guess not everyone could handle it so coolly. The question is whether a mother shouldn't be aware of these possible consequences and what it would mean if the answer to the question was yes.

 

[Thor875]

I would like to suggest that Vicky is the opposite of Felicia
Both women use their looks/body to get money.
Both women lead a life in the public eye.
Both women have no education.
We gradually get information about both women that greatly changes the original picture of them.
For me, both go in the opposite direction of my initial perception.
Felicia's actions are becoming more and more understandable to me. On the other hand, my image of Victoria is becoming more and more shaky the more I deal with the Donovan interview.
The question remains whether Vicky didn't have other options. That will probably never be answered. (For example, Mina's path. As Donovan notes, she isn't interested in showing her beauty, otherwise she wouldn't need to continue,implies that) But if that point were to be dropped, how would we have to see her in comparison to the Li's.

 

[Idontplay]

In my humble opinion say that Vicky is the opposite of Felicia, is like say that a battle tank is the opposite of a battleship. They are different weapons, with different purupose for different scenarios; even if both of them have cannons, diesel engines and are made by steel. At the same way Felicia and Victoria share some (very superficial) similarities, but they are different characters, with different mindset, different purpose and different role.
Does this mean they are opposite to each other? No, simply they are different or (if you prefer) yes, they are opposite to each other like they are opposite to Rosalind or to Veronica.

 

[DirtyMario]

Part of why Ian is so fucked up is that Grace is colder than Dr. Lundgren.

Sophia is pretty much the opposite of cold, she makes me sweat out of every pore when she cradles me in her arms, jacking me off while holding a needle to my neck. So hot.

In my humble opinion say that Vicky is the opposite of Felicia, is like say that a battle tank is the opposite of a battleship.

My man is out here calling MC's mom a tank. No respect left in the youth.

 

[Thor875]

In my humble opinion say that Vicky is the opposite of Felicia, is like say that a battle tank is the opposite of a battleship. They are different weapons, with different purupose for different scenarios; even if both of them have cannons, diesel engines and are made by steel. At the same way Felicia and Victoria share some (very superficial) similarities, but they are different characters, with different mindset, different purpose and different role.
Does this mean they are opposite to each other? No, simply they are different or (if you prefer) yes, they are opposite to each other like they are opposite to Rosalind or to Veronica.

Different characters, yes, they all have them, but it's about the decisions they make. Different ways of thinking in relation to what? Both like sex, both live it out, both do it for the money? All Li's have different goals. But that's exactly the point. The comparison to Vicky's decision.