BrockLanders

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Anyone got any thoughts on that?
Just this.

Don't second guess if you're pleasing us. I can't imagine either of those scenes being anything other than what they are. Rather, keep second guessing yourself in process. That seems to be making you churn out polished and turgid content that just flows. It may not feel like it when you are in the middle of it all, but you are. You are finding the statue in the marble. Keep it up. If it takes a while, it takes a while.

Like I was telling Gallant Trombe: create your art, we will interpret and adapt to it. Not the other way around. You and GIL do you two.

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Michelangelo and Pope Julius II regarding "Edwin's Ménage à Trois with Hana and Mina" painted in relief on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.​
 
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To address your example more specifically, the choice of vaginal or anal with Felicia after the interview was potentially a bit indulgent, but ultimately I'd say it was fine. This choice isn't likely to demand specific follow-up later and it probably didn't take that long to add. I'd suggest, however, the option to not have sex with her at all is far more significant because it tangentially ties into what I see as a core gameplay aspect: namely, the nature of the MC and his relationship with Carnations. Now if that was deliberate, no worries; that's branching time well spent. But if that wasn't intentional, then much as it pains me to say it, that's the sort of choice you should consider very carefully in the future because it might suggest we should try to keep Edwin from fooling around on the job if we want him to be a better person when all is said and done.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that example in and of itself is a big problem. But it's the sort of option that, if it's repeated often in the early game, could cause an issue when you no longer have dev time to support at a crucial moment.
Yes! That's exactly what I meant by "watch out from the branches snowballing into an avalanche". There are choices that have an immediate impact, but no long term consequences, and others that may simply skip a scene, but they imply a significant decision for a character, and it would be a pity to hand-wave them later. So, dear TD and GIL: I'm confident in your writing and storytelling chops, and that you've planned most of the outcomes for major player choices... just get ready to chomp at the bit if the situation requires it, to avoid both internal incoherence for the characters and heavy headaches for you. (Plus, here's my usual to a cautionary tale about branching getting out of proportion).
 

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Felicia vaginal/anal choise was godsend option, I'm not sayin' every scene must have same branching option, but at least not story-wise anal scenes (some punishment at carnation event or smth) might have at least slight different vaginal alternative.

As of scenes branching overall, I think of them as gems that make one more difference between kinetic novel and full-fledged game. Also it adds to replay ability value (yeah, I know most of us save/return but not anyone, some play in more "immerse way")

I understand it mostly doubles the work amount but still, players appreciate that.
 

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I was just replaying the game today for fun and was not really paying much attention to choices, except for major ones (also subconsciously selecting every felicia choice, as she is the one!). With this casual play, i reached the end of the 2nd event night, with all three carnations tied. That was a surprise, as I had no idea if that can happen.
Now i cant wait for new update to see what situation arises due to that.
 

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I was just replaying the game today for fun and was not really paying much attention to choices, except for major ones (also subconsciously selecting every felicia choice, as she is the one!). With this casual play, i reached the end of the 2nd event night, with all three carnations tied. That was a surprise, as I had no idea if that can happen.
Now i cant wait for new update to see what situation arises due to that.
Damn you got the hardest possible outcome, I had to save scum a lot to make a save like that. Want to see what Kathleen will have prepared for the trio. :devilish:
 
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Veronica is my favorite Carnation and I find myself inadvertently going easy on her during "business hours," which is probably going to make her lose in the long run. What a conundrum.
 
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Veronica is my favorite Carnation and I find myself inadvertently going easy on her during "business hours," which is probably going to make her lose in the long run. What a conundrum.
No need to go easy on her. She can easily win the first week competition.
On my main save it is Veronica 1 win (first week), Rosalind 1 win (second week) and Felicia 0 win, and a tie on week 2 on my secondary save.
 
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No need to go easy on her. She can easily win the first week competition.
I'm sure she can take whatever punishment you throw at her, but at what cost? Will she hate me when it's all over?

Of the three, I think Veronica has the clearest way out of her situation that doesn't involve winning the pageant. It sounds like her gym would at least pay for itself if you can undo Samson's sabotage. I think I'm going all-in on that strategy. One of the other girls can have the prize money.
 

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I'm sure she can take whatever punishment you throw at her, but at what cost? Will she hate me when it's all over?

Of the three, I think Veronica has the clearest way out of her situation that doesn't involve winning the pageant. It sounds like her gym would at least pay for itself if you can undo Samson's sabotage. I think I'm going all-in on that strategy. One of the other girls can have the prize money.
Just be truthfull with her in both Edwin's words and actions, no bs.
And also don't be afraid to lewd on her or let her take charge when the situation arrives, she enjoys it most of the time. :p

Doing that i had all the friendship points necessary to give the hug Veronica needed after that scene. :love:
 
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Just to truthfull with her in both Edwin's words and actions, no bs.
And also don't be afraid to lewd on her or let her take charge when the situation arrives, she enjoys it most of the time. :p

Doing that i had all the friendship points necessary to give the hug Veronica needed after that scene. :love:
The hug scene really hits hard, very emotional. Even though I am not considering her path, that scene really felt good.
 

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Pretty sure it's already been brought up here but im too lazy to dig through 141 pages so i'll say it here:

Ian's gonna end up smashing Victoria huh? I just feel like their dialogue & the way scenes are playing out, i can see it leading to that.


To be fair.. We definitely will clap his mom's cheeks back.
 
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The Mina scene, on the other hand, was more about the internal state of the MC. Mina is just 'going along for the ride', so there isn't the need to create multiple branching paths because the story behind the sex is the fact that he's going to fuck his best friend's hot as fuck girlfriend. You don't need a more compelling narrative or branching stories for this.
I'm going to have to strongly disagree here.

Mina isn't just a side chick you can fuck. She's an important character and a primary love interest. Her scenes deserve as much attention and care as the Carnations. There are a ton of choices in the game that allow us to shape our relationship with Mina, and they start before she's even introduced. So when we finally get a sex scene with Mina, it's not going be just because she's hot. And if the game treats it that way, it's going to feel wrong.

Which it did.

There's a brief moment in the middle of Mina's first sex scene where the main character has a bizarre monologue and imagines Mina strapped into some strange contraptions as if she were one of the Carnation's working girls. And it sticks out like a sore thumb if you are on the low toughness route where you have consistently voiced displeasure at what is going on at work. It completely pulled me out of that scene and really killed the mood. It wasted an otherwise great setup that had been building for a long while. If those thoughts were gated behind a high toughness score, then I wouldn't have seen them and the scene would've been perfect.

What makes it particularly odd, is that there is one brief moment in that scene gated behind a toughness score. Over 24 toughness and he'll think to himself "C'mon! Cum for me! One last time for me you dirty cunt!", while a lower score has him think "C'mon! Cum for me! One last time". A very small difference, but a very important one. It helps keep our character's actions consistent with what we have chosen in the past.

It's the small details that separate the good from the great. Little things like the difference between the MC being formal or informal with his boss, which is determined by a variable set by a choice you made early in the game. It helps make different playthroughs feel equally valid, and it shows that the developers care about each path equally.
 
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I'm going to have to strongly disagree here.

Mina isn't just a side chick you can fuck. She's an important character and a primary love interest. Her scenes deserve as much attention and care as the Carnations. There are a ton of choices in the game that allow us to shape our relationship with Mina, and they start before she's even introduced. So when we finally get a sex scene with Mina, it's not going be just because she's hot. And if the game treats it that way, it's going to feel wrong.

Which it did.

There's a brief moment in the middle of Mina's first sex scene where the main character has a bizarre monologue and imagines Mina strapped into some strange contraptions as if she were one of the Carnation's working girls. And it sticks out like a sore thumb if you are on the low toughness route where you have consistently voiced displeasure at what is going on at work. It completely pulled me out of that scene and really killed the mood. It wasted an otherwise great setup that had been building for a long while. If those thoughts were gated behind a high toughness score, then I wouldn't have seen them and the scene would've been perfect.

What makes it particularly odd, is that there is one brief moment in that scene gated behind a toughness score. Over 24 toughness and he'll think to himself "C'mon! Cum for me! One last time for me you dirty cunt!", while a lower score has him think "C'mon! Cum for me! One last time". A very small difference, but a very important one. It helps keep our character's actions consistent with what we have chosen in the past.

It's the small details that separate the good from the great. Little things like the difference between the MC being formal or informal with his boss, which is determined by a variable set by a choice you made early in the game. It helps make different playthroughs feel equally valid, and it shows that the developers care about each path equally.
This is fair enough - but again, what you are referring to is an internal state within the MC and it isn't a conscious choice. As you said, the scene would have worked well had that one image been gated behind a toughness score (I've never had a problem with it but then again, I've never tried to play a character that would have a problem with it). But I think you're missing my main point.

I'm not saying Mina doesn't deserve attention and care. Mina is my favourite and I want a great scene with her. I'm saying that girls like her and Hana are going to respond a lot differently to the MC doing certain things during sex because they are in a relationship outside of the competition, and that's going to limit what is possible to the point where it's almost a given that it will be more linear. There are things the MC can do to a Carnation and get away with because even if they don't like it, at the end of the day they are still in the competition to win, regardless if they think the MC is a cunt. That's why scenes with them can branch out in many different directions depending if you want to be nice or an asshole. They will be back at the club and doing tasks with the MC regardless. He can play it off that he was just doing his job, and the show goes on.

It would be a poor story if the MC did the same thing to either Mina or Hana and there wasn't any consequences to him doing something that they didn't consent to or they had a big problem with after the fact (but did in the heat of the moment). And that makes the actual mechanics of the game difficult because now you're going down the path of locking out Hana/Mina for any players who want to indulge their inner asshole and creating what is in a sense a bad ending to the story. So the creators are naturally limited to exactly what kind of choices they can have if they want to keep both Mina and Hana as main characters in the game, because their opinion/desire matters if the story is to continue.

Of course, they could go down the path of writing extra scenes for these bad situations (and then write the next sex scene the MC has with them as makeup/hate sex, which would be super hot), but the whole point of the original post was about reducing the amount of time that is being spent between updates, not increasing them.
 
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