VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[RC-1138 Boss]

To all the NTR haters, if you even have to ask, this game isn't for you. Although this game has no NTR at all, the NTR complainers always have a 10x wider definition that it actually is. Three of the LIs are literal PROSTITUTES. They will do sexual things with other people. Please stop clogging up the thread.

As for the update, we'll just have to make peace with longer waiting times. The jump in scope and quality has been too big for it to stay in the 2-4 month range, and we can safely assume the next update will be 6+ months too. TD and GIL haven't given me cause to doubt them so far, and I'm confident that this update will be a smash hit too. I just hope the game finishes before it reaches Being a DIK level of bloat, because that thing won't be done by 2030.

As for myself, I can only pray for more Vicky content in the upcoming update. Please don't let me and my pickle down, TD.

While i mostly agree with the post i don't think we are in any danger of Pale Carnations going that other game route of one update per year.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

To all the NTR haters, if you even have to ask, this game isn't for you. Although this game has no NTR at all, the NTR complainers always have a 10x wider definition that it actually is. Three of the LIs are literal PROSTITUTES. They will do sexual things with other people. Please stop clogging up the thread.

I have nothing against NTR, but I’m not a fan of them either. My problem is different, it's cuckolding, it's not my style, I usually play some NTR when it's really well implemented, I like Netori the most, I can play NTR when they have an intriguing plot, jealousy, betrayal, cheating. It’s more interesting to play when there is no compulsion or when there are choices. everyone plays what they like, NTR or vanilla and harem...

such disputes cannot be avoided on the f95 site...

 

[DougsLeftNut]

While i mostly agree with the post i don't think we are in any danger of Pale Carnations going that other game route of one update per year.

Let's be fair here... there's dozens of games currently going that route.

 

[Pagoramix]

Well, to be fair, makin a playable version of a game every now and then sure slow things up on the long term. Of course you have probably heard of agile development and how it's all about short release windows. Well, thats pretty much shit, of course the deadline is a weight and drastically change how you're doing things.
On the other hand, the peculiar niche we are in ain't much trustworthy, on any side. Regular release shows that the project is alive and going well all the while gathering people around it.
But once trust is there and people are on payroll, there is not much reason to keep on short release windows. For all i know, even messing up a release won't be that bad at this point.
And you know what? It's actually true for the whole game industry

 

[TD1900]

Well, to be fair, makin a playable version of a game every now and then sure slow things up on the long term. Of course you have probably heard of agile development and how it's all about short release windows. Well, thats pretty much shit, of course the deadline is a weight and drastically change how you're doing things.
On the other hand, the peculiar niche we are in ain't much trustworthy, on any side. Regular release shows that the project is alive and going well all the while gathering people around it.
But once trust is there and people are on payroll, there is not much reason to keep on short release windows. For all i know, even messing up a release won't be that bad at this point.
And you know what? It's actually true for the whole game industry

This is true. We kill 1-2 weeks after the creative stuff is wrapped up on polishing, administrative things, and just chilling. That's the downside of a serialized format, but obviously this kind of job wouldn't exist without the iterative nature of the job. I believe 3-6 month window is the sweet spot, depending on the scope and context of the story.

Personally, we'd like to be closer to the 3-4 month range. I've said this in the thread before, but it's not about the optics of how long it takes, not that there isn't some of that spurring that desire. It's more about what we personally get out of finishing an update.

Releases, simply put, helps us renew our creative spirit. By the end of most updates, GIL is fucking dead and I'm full of self-doubt about the story's trajectory. So, people finally playing what we've been toiling away on is not only gratifying but helps reaffirm the project's direction.

The trick is balancing your creative zeal, managing growing standards, ignoring the nagging pull of perfectionism, all with finishing the damn thing. That is a work in progress, and one we are still aiming for even though we've failed this time around.

 

[MalkavianVamp]

Is this single girl path or harem?

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Is this single girl path or harem?

It's too early to talk about anything. but for now you can have fun with whoever you want. but I wouldn't say that the game is like a harem.

it's mostly brothel style and perverted.

 

[Ottoeight]

It's too early to talk about anything. but for now you can have fun with whoever you want. but I wouldn't say that the game is like a harem.

it's mostly brothel style and perverted.

You don't need to answer these dudes: the game has no harem tag.

Same with these ntr dudes: the game has no ntr tag. So why in the damn world they ask whether the game has ntr content and why you keep answering them.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

You don't need to answer these dudes: the game has no harem tag.

Same with these ntr dudes: the game has no ntr tag. So why in the damn world they ask whether the game has ntr content and why you keep answering them.

If I don't answer, they continue will fuck our brains...

 

[agrdtcwa]

You don't need to answer these dudes: the game has no harem tag.

Same with these ntr dudes: the game has no ntr tag. So why in the damn world they ask whether the game has ntr content and why you keep answering them.

It is fine to ask this question because based on tag rules: https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2024-01-29.10394/ you are only supposed to add tags that are in the game. You cannot add tags that will be added in the future (see rule 2).

Since the description in the first post does not include planned tags I think it is fine to ask the question to know if those tags will be added in the future. If you find it annoying simply ignore the posts.

 

[ToxicTharja]

did the devs say how many chapters will the game have by the end ?

 

[Ottoeight]

It is fine to ask this question because based on tag rules: https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2024-01-29.10394/ you are only supposed to add tags that are in the game. You cannot add tags that will be added in the future (see rule 2).

Since the description in the first post does not include planned tags I think it is fine to ask the question to know if those tags will be added in the future. If you find it annoying simply ignore the posts.

It is NOT fine asking this question because we have been answering it and talking about it ad nauseam.

This is supposed to be a forum and a community, therefore users are supposed to read what other users have been writing.

did the devs say how many chapters will the game have by the end ?

Same as above.

 

[Mr.Kendu]

damn i just download this game today, play it 4 hours non stop and this is best game i ever seen in my life
story = 1000000%

 

[ename144]

It is NOT fine asking this question because we have been answering it and talking about it ad nauseam.

This is supposed to be a forum and a community, therefore users are supposed to read what other users have been writing.

Yes, it is supposed to be a community. So we should try to be welcoming. There are plenty of obnoxious NTR trolls or the like out there, sure, but there are also people who just want to know if they might like the game.

If you don't feel like answering, then just ignore the question as agrdtcwa suggested. Hearing people complain about questions is no less repetitive than the questions themselves.

 

[xslayermkdx]

Yes I think MC will have a sex scene with her. It's under conditions of course, if you achieve what you promise her about Ian. It'd be very disappointed if not

What's the point to implement her in the game what was her name Grace i think if not being fuckable or fucked nicely at least once only for a dialog or two? For example MC mother explains his changed behavior when he watched her and her history its connected but Ian's mom if not fucked no idea what's the point of being created and will be so sad such a hottie to be ignored!

 

[Ottoeight]

What's the point to implement her in the game what was her name Grace i think if not being fuckable or fucked nicely at least once only for a dialog or two? For example MC mother explains his changed behavior when he watched her and her history its connected but Ian's mom if not fucked no idea what's the point of being created and will be so sad such a hottie to be ignored!

Her point of being created and shown is:

1. she's the reason why Ian is Ian

2. by meeting Edwin and making her request she triggers Ian's reaction (if you talk about it with him): we'll see where this subplot leads.

I can't see why some dudes think that every female character appearing in an AVN is supposed to be a sexual target.

Are you telling me that if the Authors decide that Edwin is meeting Mina's mom, then Mina's mom MUST become a LI too?

Jeeezuz

And why are you writing your messages in blue? it's harder for us to read it.

 

[Idontplay]

And why are you writing your messages in blue and without punctuation? it's harder for us to read it.

Fixed

 

[agrdtcwa]

It is NOT fine asking this question because we have been answering it and talking about it ad nauseam.

This is supposed to be a forum and a community, therefore users are supposed to read what other users have been writing.




Same as above.

Echoing what ename144 said. This is a forum and a community so we should try to be welcoming. If you think people are breaking forum rules and are not supposed to post something, report it to a moderator. Otherwise just ignore the post and move on with your life.

 

[misfolk]

I can't see why some dudes think that every female character appearing in an AVN is supposed to be a sexual target.

Are you telling me that if the Authors decide that Edwin is meeting Mina's mom, then Mina's mom MUST become a LI too?

Well, not every single one, but if Edwin is accustomed to receiving sexual services in exchange for favors, then Ian's mom is a fair target.

 

[Ottoeight]

Well, not every single one, but if Edwin is accustomed to receiving sexual services in exchange for favors, then Ian's mom is a fair target.

He is not accustomed. You make him accustomed.