VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[doro89]

any replay scenes unlocker?

 

[Bill Temple]

Reflecting on the road not traveled isn't necessarily the same as disavowing your current path. Nor does indulging in a bit of escapism make you desperate. I like to eat meatloaf from time-to-time, but that doesn't mean my calling in life isn't sticking my dick in pizza.

I'm envisioning that line as one of the Eugene Levy-character's heartfelt speeches in your unfinished screenplay for "American Pie Presents: The Real Pizzagate"

 

[labmouseblues]

I don't think Felicia enjoying a bit of romance in the moment means she's putting up a facade about who she is.

Not to step on anyone's authorial intent, but isn't the trophy wife gold digger slut persona a facade, in the sense that she technically might be one, but she intentionally presents herself within the confines of the club as only that, when she's clearly so much more?

 

[HongTeaPot]

would there be any love events for Rosalind in the near future? it's quite odd that there is only one shared sex scene, while Rose and MC living together.

 

[whatmi]

i think this game is kind of fun, but it sux how i must follow walkthru to see the content
game would be much better without decissions if developer planned from the start what is the most content path in unfinished game to see what it has to offer

 

[Gorainu]

I'm surprised anyone would see Fel this way after the last update, which isn't, I think, shy about the idea that, behind the meticulously cultivated facade of carefree hypersexuality, her greatest desire is a genuine connection to a complete person, not merely their body.

I won't speculate whether love will enter into the equation down the line, but if it does, Fel's probably the person best suited to make it something lasting and meaningful.

Also, let's not bring up the age gap here. The Protagonist might be twenty-something by measure of his birth certificate, for obvious reasons, but by measure of emotional maturity, introspection and self awareness, he's well into his thirties.

I get that she seems to want that. Yet what is stopping her from? Why can't she divorce and just settle with someone she loves?

because she values money more than love.

She might not be JUST a gold digger, but at the end of the day greed is what comes first on her scale of values. And she is ready and eager to let go of a lot, including love, self respect etc... just to get a little bit more money.

Yet her character arc might be that at the end of this she settles with MC on love route and acknowledges that money isn t all there is to life. For the other routes, i fear what greed will make her do...

 

[whatmi]

i think felicity is just greedy bitch wife married for money and dishonest
i like her, but mostly bcs i m not much better in the game

 

[labmouseblues]

Why can't she divorce and just settle with someone she loves?

Presumably because she never met anyone worth the hassle?

Look, I'm not arguing Fel is a starry eyed romantic just waiting for a prince and his ten inch horse to ride in and carry her away to a happily ever after forever in castle Bumfuck. I was arguing against the notion that she's driven by lust and therefore not capable of, or willing to engage in, romantic love. She enjoys sex, she uses it as a tool, but she isn't governed by it.

I's also like to point out Fel doesn't actually have money. Her husband has money. She has access, as his discretion, to certain limited benefits derived from his wealth. She herself likely owns practically nothing, if a prenup is in play, which there probably is.

 

[pinuz1]

would there be any love events for Rosalind in the near future? it's quite odd that there is only one shared sex scene, while Rose and MC living together.

I'm pretty sure it's confirmed she'll get a big part of the spotlight in the next update, so don't worry.

 

[Estius]

Presumably because she never met anyone worth the hassle?

Look, I'm not arguing Fel is a starry eyed romantic just waiting for a prince and his ten inch horse to ride in and carry her away to a happily ever after forever in castle Bumfuck. I was arguing against the notion that she's driven by lust and therefore not capable of, or willing to engage in, romantic love. She enjoys sex, she uses it as a tool, but she isn't governed by it.

I's also like to point out Fel doesn't actually have money. Her husband has money. She has access, as his discretion, to certain limited benefits derived from his wealth. She herself likely owns practically nothing, if a prenup is in play, which there probably is.

Considering he just joined the club, he's about to get one hell of a show. Seems the marriage is all but over unless there's some plot twist we don't know about.

 

[Flowing Thought]

Considering he just joined the club, he's about to get one hell of a show. Seems the marriage is all but over unless there's some plot twist we don't know about.

Realistically, he would immediately be on the phone to his attorney to file for divorce. No idea what will actually go down.

 

[labmouseblues]

Simply exposing Fel doesn't feel like something Kathleen would do. I imagine she plans to see how far she can push Fel under the threat of revealing her presence in the club to her husband. Low light conditions, masks, and a merry-go-round cattle prod type of deal.

 

[Gorainu]

Considering he just joined the club, he's about to get one hell of a show. Seems the marriage is all but over unless there's some plot twist we don't know about.

the plot twist is probably some nightingale (blackmailing material on her husband kept at hand) if she is not dumb.

So that they end up in a MAD situation, leaving time for her to find a way out (be it the club if she wins, the MC on a love route, or probaly another rich guy on a losing route)

 

[Estius]

the plot twist is probably some nightingale (blackmailing material on her husband kept at hand) if she is not dumb.

So that they end up in a MAD situation, leaving time for her to find a way out (be it the club if she wins, the MC on a love route, or probaly another rich guy on a losing route)

Yeah, could be. I'm wondering if it was set up by someone at the club to sabotage her chances at winning.

 

[Simpgor]

Simply exposing Fel doesn't feel like something Kathleen would do. I imagine she plans to see how far she can push Fel under the threat of revealing her presence in the club to her husband. Low light conditions, masks, and a merry-go-round cattle prod type of deal.

"Hell Week" (this ones "theme" iirc) doesn't really give too many concrete hints but IMO (100% personally) that doesn't sound like an eyes wide shut masked up type of affair. There's also the whole "carnations walk around" before the show and the fact that anybody could offhand mention Felicia , that last one can definitely be written around by just saying "nobody said her name before the show"

 

[TD1900]

Not to step on anyone's authorial intent, but isn't the trophy wife gold digger slut persona a facade, in the sense that she technically might be one, but she intentionally presents herself within the confines of the club as only that, when she's clearly so much more?

Sure, and she's selective on what parts she presents to people, as everyone in life does.

I meant more to dissuade the notion that she's only a hedonistic super ho because no one has ever loved her or some crap like that.

 

[MoBy28]

Simply exposing Fel doesn't feel like something Kathleen would do. I imagine she plans to see how far she can push Fel under the threat of revealing her presence in the club to her husband. Low light conditions, masks, and a merry-go-round cattle prod type of deal.

It's not just about exposing Felicia. She is bringing an unknowing husband(at least as far as we know) into the clubs folds. She is pretty much giving a choice if Fel finds out before hand of ruining her marriage/life or winning the competition. Fel is in the competition to become independant or at least less dependant on her husband. As far as her husband finding out, that's a given since half the people there are jealous or have a serious disdain for him and would love to see him embarassed. Just about all the clients know exactly who she is and who her husband is. This is one reason I said it seems Kat is going a bit too far with the contest by involving her outside life this time. Now think about it for a second, your a rich and powerful man who was just humiliated/ embarassed in front of "peers" by this club. They knew who she was, what she is doing and chose to bring you in to "surprise" you in front of others. I'd be not only pissed at my wife but also looking for some payback against the ones who humiliated me like that (the club). Also not sure if Kat still got the painting from the art show or not and how that will come into play.

Could be a possible path choice here for the MC, tell Fel ahead of time so she can figure out what to do (possible love path) or let it play out and see what happens (other paths). Of course that is if he finds out ahead of time, it may be a surprise for him as well. There are soo many possibilities coming up that no matter what happens or which way it goes I'm just buckling up my seatbelt and preparing for one helluva ride

 

[PapaChulo]

The thing about Grace (Ian´s Mom) is that we not only have Edwin´s impression that she is not a good parent and a really cold and distant person, we get this information from several independent sources throughout the story. We also can compare with other aloof characters. Hell, even Kath and Sophia are less distant than Grace! It says much when both the most sadist and the most eccentric character in the game are less cold and think higher of the MC than Grace ever did!
Read a bit between the lines. While for Kath and Sophia Edwin might currently be mostly a useful pawn, you can get closer to them and maybe more in later chapters. Grace considers Edwin scum and this is an opinion she had for many years. What a "nice" person Grace is. Edwin is/was the only true friend Ian had throughout school and Viktoria was more a mom for him than Grace ever was.

Also consider that Grace might be aware of Victoria's history and look down on her over it and also hate MC for being Victoria's son.

 

[PapaChulo]

Why is it anytime someone mentions Victoria people always jump to the incest conclusion.

Maybe because her son keeps watching her getting gang banged in her old porn movies, other MC's have ventured into incest with less provocation.

 

[LjQujd]

Glad to hear that Felicia's character development is not going down the road of the cliche whore-to-wife pipeline through the "power of love and MC's special dick". Things are fine as they are and she would also be a fantastic choice for taking over the club and leading it into a new future. Even though I don't really view Kathleen as a baddie villainess in the story per say, but she is indeed the darker version of a whore stereotype. Felicia could be the light version.

If she takes over and opens up a wider proper auditioning process, who knows maybe it can open up a possibility for Victoria joining as a carnation under new less abusive regime. I can picture it already, MC becoming a doctor and a patron of the club coming to the exhibition with his love-interest-of-choice to see his mother perform, paralleling the opening scene of the game where he is in his room watching his moms porn video, pondering the same question but this time he's not alone with it and there's an air of acceptance. (sorry if I spoiled the ending)