VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Darreau91]

I can hype a little bit and tell you that every beta-tester loved this update, albeit for different reasons. So I can safely assume that most of you will also love it and won't be disappointed, it has goodies for everyone. And yeah, this update is massive, although to see EVERYTHING you will need a lot of saves or unrenpy tool (but it's totally worth it).

What's more, story-wise this might be the most earth-shattering update ever so brace yourselves.

I hope we get more details on the following:

Killians involvement with Darius not being around

Killians moms role with the club and relationship with Chuck

Mina’s and that blond assistants chick connection. (They look related and when Mina’s facade drops, similar personality)

Victorias dating life and her feelings on her porn career. We only got Edwin’s assumptions so far.

Kathleens true dark side, her sadism seems to be a pressure release valve for the more evil stuff she has done behind the scenes

More proof that Veronica and Mina are best girls.

 

[Ottoeight]

Mina’s and that blond assistants chick connection. (They look related and when Mina’s facade drops, similar personality)

no clue of what you are referring to bro

 

[sunaboz]

no clue of what you are referring to bro

He probably means Mina's step sister - Sophia.

 

[pinuz1]

What's more, story-wise this might be the most earth-shattering update ever so brace yourselves.

I wonder if people being unfaithful might get caught this update considering all our girls will group together at the end it might be a possibility, if not, I dont know what this update could bring to be called "the most earth-shattering" story wise.

Regardless, I'm eager for whatever our devs cooked .

 

[slobber]

We all know Victoria is best girl. She's the only one that can create so much melodrama.

I still take Felicia over Rosie/Veronica. I love how intelligent she is and how she excels at the game of life. I'd argue she's currently the deepest female character at the moment.

Rosie lived a very normal life with its ups and downs but she picked the wrong husband. She stayed with said husband (understandably since most ladies follow emotion moreso than logic and that small hope that "maybe he'll change" - also having a daughter with the dude probably gave her hesitation too)

Veronica followed her dreams foolishly and got scammed hard by someone with better connections than her (Samson spent years). Yes she has her talents and whatnot like the other LI's but she literally made her bed by putting her passion before logic (sounds like Rosie, huh?). The gym was her dream, but a sinkhole for money. But this is also understandable since she is a successful athlete, someone who has won the gamble in a career with a 0.001% success rate. She already got the high of winning 1 big gamble. Why not again?

But Felicia? She knew what cards she was dealt and she played them to near perfection but that didn't stop her from reminiscing about her past, the paths not taken and what could have been. She's the only LI that has been described as properly taking care of her basic needs (she knew she was desired, weaponized it, and she took full advantage of that to be a trophy wife) and has the desire+capability to cherish the things important to her (her mother, her past ie the school, art). When she found out her husband wouldn't support her desire to protect her values, she took matters into her own hands. I admire that drive and determination. Girl literally rewrote her own destiny to get to where she was.

 

[bo77om]

I can hype a little bit and tell you that every beta-tester loved this update, albeit for different reasons.

sunaboz: I can hype a little bit

hypes a LOT
damn

 

[Turret]

I can hype a little bit and tell you that every beta-tester loved this update, albeit for different reasons. So I can safely assume that most of you will also love it and won't be disappointed, it has goodies for everyone. And yeah, this update is massive, although to see EVERYTHING you will need a lot of saves or unrenpy tool (but it's totally worth it).

What's more, story-wise this might be the most earth-shattering update ever so brace yourselves.

Going by your post, I know you will not say "aye" or "nay" to it, I think one of the earth-shattering story points will be the first REALLY rotten event at the club, above what we already saw. Since one of the main decisions of the game for Edwin will be staying or leaving the club, SOMETHING big has to be happening sooner or later.

There seems to be several curveballs coming at us this update. Here are a couple ideas what it might be:

- Killian´s family is far more involved in the club than he ever knew. His mom is Chuck´s sister, remember?

- For some players it might be earth-shattering if I am mostly right with my take on Sophia. Nerds unite!

- Kath and/or Chuck finally let their masks fall and they are worse than we knew

- something with Viktoria, but beyond her simply having had fun making porn. That is something Edwin already knows, but keeps out of his mind as we saw.

- Grace, Veronika or Rosi doublecross Edwin

- Mina get´s into the club in whatever way.

- Samson is after Veronika for years. Maybe his manipulations finally pay off. Could also be connected with a Veronika doublecross.

- The cliffhanger from last update is still there. Will Kath really take Feli´s husband into the club, lighting the petrol storage so to speak?

 

[Ottoeight]

We all know Victoria is best girl. She's the only one that can create so much melodrama.

I still take Felicia over Rosie/Veronica. I love how intelligent she is and how she excels at the game of life. I'd argue she's currently the deepest female character at the moment.

Rosie lived a very normal life with its ups and downs but she picked the wrong husband. She stayed with said husband (understandably since most ladies follow emotion moreso than logic and that small hope that "maybe he'll change" - also having a daughter with the dude probably gave her hesitation too)

Veronica followed her dreams foolishly and got scammed hard by someone with better connections than her (Samson spent years). Yes she has her talents and whatnot like the other LI's but she literally made her bed by putting her passion before logic (sounds like Rosie, huh?). The gym was her dream, but a sinkhole for money. But this is also understandable since she is a successful athlete, someone who has won the gamble in a career with a 0.001% success rate. She already got the high of winning 1 big gamble. Why not again?

But Felicia? She knew what cards she was dealt and she played them to near perfection but that didn't stop her from reminiscing about her past, the paths not taken and what could have been. She's the only LI that has been described as properly taking care of her basic needs (she knew she was desired, weaponized it, and she took full advantage of that to be a trophy wife) and has the desire+capability to cherish the things important to her (her mother, her past ie the school, art). When she found out her husband wouldn't support her desire to protect her values, she took matters into her own hands. I admire that drive and determination. Girl literally rewrote her own destiny to get to where she was.

So you wanna start a "waifu war", huh...? tsk, tsk.

I'm going to say: Hana as a character is so amazing that even though I HATE tattoos with a passion, she is my favourite.

 

[slobber]

I think I just love what she accomplished. That's probably what stood out for me. Most AVN characters are victims* of a pre-determined destiny but Felicia is the exception. She took no sh1t and decided she wasn't going to be a baby maker / hair stylist in her little back-water town.

 

[Turret]

So you wanna start a "waifu war", huh...? tsk, tsk.

I'm going to say: Hana as a character is so amazing that even though I HATE tattoos with a passion, she is my favourite.

I mentioned a similar opinion several times in the past. I am not against tattoos in general, but normally a girl tattooed to the degree Hana is, is a turn off for me. Still she is one of my favourite female charactrers in the game.

Let us face it: character- and storywise so far Hana, Felicia and Sophia are the most interesting female characters in the game, by a margin.

 

[GrandeMazza]

I mentioned a similar opinion several times in the past. I am not against tattoos in general, but normally a girl tattooed to the degree Hana is, is a turn off for me. Still she is one of my favourite female charactrers in the game.

Let us face it: character- and storywise so far Hana, Felicia and Sophia are the most interesting female characters in the game, by a margin.

The first time I saw Hana I thought she was going to beat up the mc later in the story. And I was down for it.

 

[DarkLords00]

I think I just love what she accomplished. That's probably what stood out for me. Most AVN characters are victims* of a pre-determined destiny but Felicia is the exception. She took no sh1t and decided she wasn't going to be a baby maker / hair stylist in her little back-water town.

Only to end up as cheap whorish entertainment for a bunch of men similar to her husband whom she despises. I don't think that's much of a win as some people would argue it to be.

- Killian´s family is far more involved in the club than he ever knew. His mom is Chuck´s sister, remember?

I don't think that's very likely if Grace was working or aiding Chuck's "hobby" I don't think she would be that insistent in getting Ian life in a different life path. After all, I don't think her trying to use Edwin in orded to guide Ian down a certain path seems like a tactic maybe even Victoria would use.

- For some players it might be earth-shattering if I am mostly right with my take on Sophia. Nerds unite!

Well, I think you are alone on that man. I don't think nobody else here believes the "nazi doctor" is secretely a good person all along. Just because she is a nerd doesn't make her morality any better or worse xD

- Kath and/or Chuck finally let their masks fall and they are worse than we knew

I wonder what TD plans for Chuck and Kathleen to be their "biggest sin". I ran pretty much any scenario I can think of in my head but nothing really would make me hate one more than the other, or disliking them more than I already do as people. I mean it's obvious that the club had gotten people killed one way or the other so does it really matter? I'm really curious but not really something I desperately need to learn about.

- something with Viktoria, but beyond her simply having had fun making porn. That is something Edwin already knows, but keeps out of his mind as we saw.

My predictions would be: Either her finding out about Edwin's "therapy sessions" with her material like at the very end of the update OR she will be confronted by Grace and warned about what both of her sons are doing.

- Grace, Veronika or Rosi doublecross Edwin

Why isn't Felicia included?

I really don't think Veronica would doublecross Edwin. She seems like a person who is the most likely to give people the benefit of the doubt if they act in a way she approves regardless of who they are or their circumstances.

Felicia and Rose on the other hand....

Rose has proved that she only cares about her daughter and probably also altough she would never say it person the image her daughter has of her, I could see her screwing Edwin over considering the different possibilties regarding their deal and how Edwin treats her during it. If Kath would find out, I could see her selling out Edwin in a moment of desperation OR if she resents him because of how he treats her.

Felicia is also someone I would categorized as someone who at the end of the day only cares about herself. I don't know if I would call her evil But she seems truly selfish. She sold herself out in a petty revenge aspect without ever considering how that would affect her psychologically or what would her own mother and the people she values would think about her decision. If you consider that she is only in the situation she is because of petty revenge, I can't trust a person like that, if she had something to gain out of screwing someone over she would do it in a heartbeat I think.

- Mina get´s into the club in whatever way.

I really, really, REALLY hope that will not happen. Half of her appeal to me is that she is not directly related to the club plot and if the final big choice is whether to stay or leave the club I'd reallly like for at least 1 girl to not be directly a part of it in any way shape or form. If TD and Gil do this, I hope they add a new girl that has nothing to do with the club. Hell, bring back Mallow I don't care if this extends development time by 10 years and we have a Mallow centered episode, I would just want 1 non-club related option for Edwin to choose!!

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

Going by your post, I know you will not say "aye" or "nay" to it, I think one of the earth-shattering story points will be the first REALLY rotten event at the club, above what we already saw. Since one of the main decisions of the game for Edwin will be staying or leaving the club, SOMETHING big has to be happening sooner or later.

There seems to be several curveballs coming at us this update. Here are a couple ideas what it might be:

- Killian´s family is far more involved in the club than he ever knew. His mom is Chuck´s sister, remember?

- For some players it might be earth-shattering if I am mostly right with my take on Sophia. Nerds unite!

- Kath and/or Chuck finally let their masks fall and they are worse than we knew

- something with Viktoria, but beyond her simply having had fun making porn. That is something Edwin already knows, but keeps out of his mind as we saw.

- Grace, Veronika or Rosi doublecross Edwin

- Mina get´s into the club in whatever way.

- Samson is after Veronika for years. Maybe his manipulations finally pay off. Could also be connected with a Veronika doublecross.

- The cliffhanger from last update is still there. Will Kath really take Feli´s husband into the club, lighting the petrol storage so to speak?

Is Edwin the MC´s name?

 

[Darreau91]

Is Edwin the MC´s name?

Default name.

 

[ename144]

If we're making predictions for the upcoming update, here are my wild guesses:

• The feud between Warren and Jacob over Emma will reach a boiling point driving everyone in the Club to one side or the other (partially determined by whatever actions the MC took on Emma's behalf in second Exhibition). That should polarize the place just in time for Kathleen's twin bombshells of Elias joining and Abel's research to shatter the foundation like an atomic-powered wedge in the next update.
• We (and probably the MC) will get some actual intel on what Abel is working on, though the ramifications won't be fully realized for a while. (Extra golf clap if Kathleen herself revels the info as part of her 'tutoring' path for the MC.)
• The MC is going to have to make a choice soon, one highlighted way back at the start of the game, to be a "good man" or not. My guess is we'll encounter the impetus for said choice this update (probably as a result of the Darius investigation, but possibly coming from Abel's research instead). I'm not sure if we'll actually make the choice this time or wait for the third Exhibition, but I don't think we'll wait until Week 4.
• An MC who chose to cheat on Hana blatantly will have some explaining to do.
• The MC will have to decide which - if any - of the LIs he's currently pursuing to get serious about. That's not to say he must commit to one and forsake all others this instant, just that he will have an inner debate about where he thinks the relationship(s) could be going and whether he wants to advance one in earnest (or reinforce that choice if he already picked Hana). That said, my guess is we'll get at least the first step of the commitment process during the much-hyped extravaganza on Friday.

 

[Simpgor]

If we're making predictions for the upcoming update, here are my wild guesses:

• That should polarize the place just in time for Kathleen's twin bombshells of Elias joining and Abel's research to shatter the foundation like an atomic-powered wedge in the next update.

Why is Elias joining a "bombshell"? Besides Felica and Edwin caring because they've directly interacted but for the rest isn't he just "a prude"? Like is kathleen gonna take a moment before the show to introduce someone multiple people in the audience (as in the club goers) have already said they don't like/only want there to watch him be cucked?

Besides the initial "oh shiiiiiiit" from Felicia i still think that Elias is on the "losing end" of the whole club situation which is probably coloring my opinion.

 

[ename144]

Why is Elias joining a "bombshell"? Besides Felica and Edwin caring because they've directly interacted but for the rest isn't he just "a prude"? Like is kathleen gonna take a moment before the show to introduce someone multiple people in the audience (as in the club goers) have already said they don't like/only want there to watch him be cucked?

Besides the initial "oh shiiiiiiit" from Felicia i still think that Elias is on the "losing end" of the whole club situation which is probably coloring my opinion.

Because there will be no way to hide the fact that half the Club's patrons have been getting off on his oh-so-proper-wife cucking him on stage. Elias is every bit as rich and egotistical as the rest of them so he's not going to take that lying down, but he's also just one guy so he's going to start agitating the other half of the patrons - and maybe some of the owners - to DO something about this. And if that fails, he's going to look to even the score somehow. I don't know if he could succeed at either effort, but he's going to create plenty of smoke and more than a little heat in the process.

Given that we know August really doesn't want the boat rocked just when Hana is coming around, I expect this to be treated as a bombshell (at least until an even bigger shell goes off). And it certainly will be for the MC, who will be tasked with keeping Felicia in the contest now that her entire reason for entering has been annihilated.

 

[dathk321]

Are there any pregnant ending in the future when the game end?

 

[Meabe37]

Are there any pregnant ending in the future when the game end?

I have been told by trusted sources that MC's mom gonna get preg from Ian but don't tell anyone else it's a bit of a spoiler

 

[slobber]

I mean, Elias is crazy narcissistic. Even previous patch's end scene felt pretty big for me, but I'm more invested in Felicia so I have bias there. I think she's super under-appreciated especially with the nice touches during her date with MC. The choice of restaurant was pretty much "home-style cooking" iirc and that one pivotal line "shut the fuck up, Edwin". This is a hugely overlooked dialogue by many of the players which IMO suggests Felicia doesn't put rich people on a pedestal like common people (Edwin included) do.

I think the Elias thing is going to be a huge problem. Kathleen mentioned she wants the carnations to 'try their best' until the end. I feel that letting in Elias is doing that exact opposite. One could argue Felicia is going to try harder so she can be on level standing with her husband but I'm more worried about him throwing her to the curb instead which is literally going to kill her enthusiasm. The dude definitely got a pre-nup so she'll have nothing. Hmmm... maybe her ending will have something to do with retiring in her home town and living a peaceful life

The club itself was only in operation for 4 years or so (going by memory)? So it really doesn't have *that* much of a history in the grand scheme of things, that's why I mentioned before I'm a little hesitant how the game will play out after this since all of the game events are *only* going on for the summer festival. He still has to work there (theoretically) for many years after or whatnot and study his med school etc. And he's gotten almost 0 dollars from the club so far. So unless something major happens that ends up changing his path...

Mina... I can't imagine her being involved with the club. I think half of her charm comes from being the "angel" in the game. Yes she needs some plot device to be involved sexually with the MC (the cheating affair and her list) but I think the club will taint that and she'll lose a lot of her identity.

Hana... she's ok. I kind of wished they maintained her strong attitude a little more but I guess it's a logical course of action considering her damsel in distress background.

Dr chick... I feel that she was introduced too late. Would be nice if she did get more content. Maybe teacher chick too so Edwin can suck her tits or whatever while he's being melodramatic