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VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

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Ottoeight said:
Anyway, now that I think upon what Grace told Vic (that Chuck tells her everything), I guess we should presume that she exactly knows what the Carnations Club is.

Now, the question is: did she tell Vic what the Club exactly is?
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I don't think Grace told Victoria anything about it. Not only there isn't any reason for Grace to tell Victoria things like that, if Victoria knew her son is helping a prostitution ring to pimp out girls at the brothel *and* have them participate in sick sex games (that he is a willing accessory to himself) she definitely would be less inclined to tell Edwin she has raised him right, if she could even stand his presence, immediately after such reveal.

For this matter, i'm not sure if this is really something Grace knows in the first place -- she might think that Chuck tells her "everything everything" but really, it's not like she'd knew if he withheld some shit from her. For example, i wonder if that "everything everything" included Chuck's leisure activities of ruining lives just for fun.
 
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Hi! Wah, there is so much stuff to discuss, but as I mentioned, work hits hard currently, so just a bit of what I wanted to talk about. More during the coming weeks.
I am absolutely sure it makes a difference. We saw Nicolette´s arrival and it clearly implied "special interest" to the club is meant as punishment and reminder. Andrea on the other hand is more dabbling in prostitution, more a hobby prostitute going by how she describes some things, her main work is elsewhere.
And she clearly is shielded to a certain point by her being just "on loan". For instance, Andrea is certainly off-limits to Warren, since her being unable to work after being roughed up during sex is a no go complication.

I like Andrea, our sexy ray of sunshine, but I agree with you that she comes across as too airheaded. I sincerely hope it turns out that it is a) at least partly an act to appear more harmless or b) just the lack of a proper education (which can be rectified) than lacking smarts. Why? Because in my opinion Andrea is a chance to again show how the Club can corrupt (at least in part) anyone it touches!
Just a mind image: In the epilog (playing quite a time after the events of PC) our MC is on a party and he sees Mina and Andrea standing together and talk. and it hits him as much as us, the contrast. On one side we have Mina, the (at least) TV star, part time model, bubbly person, on the drive by lane of life.
And on the other side we have Andrea, the porn star (with maybe some mainstream work as well), nude model and hobby hooker. Also a bubbly personality and on the drive by lane of life, but by "seedier" means. With the divide being Andrea was in part shaped by the Club, whereas Mina wasn´t.
Who´s to say that Andrea might not be a very capable mainstream actress if she gets a chance? It happens, e.g. former pornstar Gina Wild is a rather recognised theater actress today. Andrea´s path was changed by working with the Club, Donovan and Co. Such a scene could be a reminder what the Club does to people and why it has to change it´s stance if the club stays open.
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I felt Andrea clearly was playing up the part of being airhead. She was mindful in Edwin's lap at the club, but next time we see her employ her usual tactic to get what she wants from Dalia (Edwin and Ian are merely causalities of being in the same room, from what we know for now)
Later she sees a chance to use Edwin as leg up overall in the club. She has an vague gameplan with room for picking up on opportunities spotted.
I as well saw a lot of Mina in her, perhaps they are merely on different paths and Andrea has the more experience in manipulation for taking the seedier path.

Overall I'm very happy we got to see more of her, since she was so cute first time around. Was a bit of mystery first time around, we learn a lot and hope we get to see her again despite the mystery uncovered. It would be super cool if she doesn't quit going for Edwin (as long as you flirted enough for nose callback) , just adjusting the angle of approach/attack.

Copium wishing here, but she trying for a main girl role towards faithful Hana GF path as well, would be cool, selling herself as in the devil you know. Casual airhead in for the fun openly.

Other girls from the club getting more airtime as well was nice. ^^


ffive said:
I don't think Grace told Victoria anything about it. Not only there isn't any reason for Grace to tell Victoria things like that, if Victoria knew her son is helping a prostitution ring to pimp out girls at the brothel *and* have them participate in sick sex games (that he is a willing accessory to himself) she definitely would be less inclined to tell Edwin she has raised him right, if she could even stand his presence, immediately after such reveal.

For this matter, i'm not sure if this is really something Grace knows in the first place -- she might think that Chuck tells her "everything everything" but really, it's not like she'd knew if he withheld some shit from her. For example, i wonder if that "everything everything" included Chuck's leisure activities of ruining lives just for fun.
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I'm starting to suspect that Grace is just spiteful enough that she will use the parts of info she do know, to hurt Vic. When blackmailing threath seems like it fails. Put forward that Edwin is also being corrupted as well, pulled into the scene. Grace knows Ian does porn pics, not normal photograpy, (she scuffs hard about that angle of living). She also knows Chuck is involved at least vaguely in it, after all he knows about Vic's past.
 
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bZokko1 said:
She also knows Chuck is involved at least vaguely in it, after all he knows about Vic's past.
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I mean, Chuck could've simply told her he came across a porn tape with Victoria and asked his old friend who is in that business if there were any others, so he'd wank to it. A man doesn't necessarily have to incriminate himself when on the surface all he's done was to watch some porn with an acquaintance in it.
 
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ffive said:
I mean, Chuck could've simply told her he came across a porn tape with Victoria and asked his old friend who is in that business if there were any others, so he'd wank to it. A man doesn't necessarily have to incriminate himself when on the surface all he's done was to watch some porn with an acquaintance in it.
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True, but would people IRL go out of their way and use contacts to confirm who is on a sextape ? Very SUS :p
 
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bZokko1 said:
True, but would people IRL go out of their way and use contacts to confirm who is on a sextape ? Very SUS :p
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I didn't mean he'd use contact to confirm anything, but to ask his friend if maybe he has more flicks with that actress. The only reason people rarely do that IRL (or ask if the person on tape is who they think she is) is they don't have a friend who's in porn business that they'd ask for freebies. :whistle:
 
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ffive said:
I didn't mean he'd use contact to confirm anything, but to ask his friend if maybe he has more flicks with that actress. The only reason people rarely do that IRL (or ask if the person on tape is who they think she is) is they don't have a friend who's in porn business that they'd ask for freebies. :whistle:
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Anyway Grace doesn't need to know 100% about Chuck & friends either to make claims, feels like a character that can BS her way around to either for blackmail or straight up hurt people's feelings. :devilish:
 
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Gorainu said:
My take on that is that Grace mostly wants Ian to drift away from his uncle. She knows what chuck is for real and wants something better for her son (For all her bitching, she does seem to care for Ian after all).
Thus why she s willing to go that far to find ways to have him leave the club. That includes cutting the strings of the purse, blackmailing and bribing any people he might listen to etc...
I see a desperate woman on her last leg. Despite how strong and bitchy she might look (because bourgeoisie is all about face).
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Nah what I see is a mother who wants a Mommies boy that she didn't get instead she got another Vicky's boy and she seems to be a pragmatic woman if she can reach her goal of controlling Ian's life by using Victoria or Edwin she is 100% ready to do so


Gorainu said:
This is also what opens the way to MC bedding her (and probably filming it) with the complicity of Ian... (A man can dream ^^)
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I don't see that ever happening even though in an ideal world I would like to see at least a non-canon Ian/Vicky Edwin/Grace scene with both boys fist-bumping :KEK: a man can dream

BasedWorld said:
YOU CANT END THE UPDATE THERE BRO I MEAN COME ON!
YOU CRUEL BAITING BASTARDS MUTT AND JEFF
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Orgasm denial type of stuff they sent me back to Hentai with that one
 
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I know this must have been asked multiple times, but what are the requirements to unlock the scene "While on a relationship with Mina and Hana, go on stage..."? Do I need to be Hana's boyfriend and cheat on her? Because in my Hana's fuckbuddy path, Mina stays with Veronica, and Edwin goes on stage alone.

Thank you so much to anyone kind enough to answer!^^
 
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To be invited on stage you need to attend Hana's previous concert, when she invites Edwin to it. Then just choose to cheer for Hana, preferably with Mina.

For the Hana/Mina scene to play out rather than fail you can't have Hana as girlfriend, but need casual relationship with both girls. Also, don't push Mina towards Veronica, because then she'll be too busy sucking faces to see what's going on between Edwin and Hana.
 
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bateauivre said:
I know this must have been asked multiple times, but what are the requirements to unlock the scene "While on a relationship with Mina and Hana, go on stage..."? Do I need to be Hana's boyfriend and cheat on her? Because in my Hana's fuckbuddy path, Mina stays with Veronica, and Edwin goes on stage alone.

Thank you so much to anyone kind enough to answer!^^
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Hana fuck buddy, mina lover, don't encourage her to go with veronica(you want her for yourself), kiss her, then you'll get up on stage.
 
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I'm asking again, anyone has stumbled across *this* bug? I can't get the scene with Mina...
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Game doesn't let you reject Mina
 
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Ottoeight said:
Just play while keeping an eye on the pdf walkthrough.
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Of course, but I don't really remember all the decisions. It's great that there is so much to discover and to decide but without looking up the variables in my old save I don't even remember who won each round at the exhibitions and especially small stuff like did I distract Mina at the Arcade or what choice did I end up with regarding Emma.

Obviously most stuff doesn't have an impact on the story but some small things do.
 
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Oh thank you, I went with the "Lesbian Push" choice, and that causes Mina to stay with Veronica. There's a crazy branching at the concert. Now I got it, thanks :D
 
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