VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Beduin123]

On the top of what I said before, Felicia is such a waste of a good character. It's essentially a BDSM game. In the beginning she looked like a very powerful, extremely beautiful, highly experienced woman that was treating the MC as her personal fuck toy. That could bring a lot of interesting dynamics, not necessarily the MC being a sub, but a power play similar to that between the MC and Kathleen or Veronica. Turning Felicia to a cheap submissive thrill seeking whore is the most disappointing part of the game so far.

 

[labmouseblues]

So either she is a schizophrenic or her story is poorly written.

She's a thrill seeker. People will do very stupid, very self destructive things to get their thrills. Her actions can rightfully be seen as unreasonable, and she's probably not as smart as she (and the audience) thinks she is, but she's not unreasonable narratively.

 

[lustforsex]

On the top of what I said before, Felicia is such a waste of a good character. It's essentially a BDSM game. In the beginning she looked like a very powerful, extremely beautiful, highly experienced woman that was treating the MC as her personal fuck toy. That could bring a lot of interesting dynamics, not necessarily the MC being a sub, but a power play similar to that between the MC and Kathleen or Veronica. Turning Felicia to a cheap submissive thrill seeking whore is the most disappointing part of the game so far.

If you're only halfway through the game at this point, keep playing and maybe your opinion of Felicia will change. I don't want to spoil it, but I will say that you will have the opportunity to see what's hidden behind the "cheap submissive thrill seeking whore" facade.

 

[Beduin123]

She's a thrill seeker. People will do very stupid, very self destructive things to get their thrills. Her actions can rightfully be seen as unreasonable, and she's probably not as smart as she (and the audience) thinks she is, but she's not unreasonable narratively.

As I argued before, seeking the thrill she might perform in the Club under a mask and a fake name or secretly fuck the MC and his likes under her husband's nose. Openly stating her name and status to many people that know her husband just before being extremely degraded IS narratively unreasonable.

 

[TD1900]

I might understand that, but where Elias may have a few stains on his name her life will be completely destroyed. So yeah, it is still stupid.

Sure, and I'm not going to argue with your interpretation of things. Felicia's decision to join the exhibition is written as inscrutable from Edwin's perspective, so someone reading it as illogical is fair game. I just wanted to highlight you were overlooking some details / prematurely bitching to save you from disappointment.

On the top of what I said before, Felicia is such a waste of a good character. It's essentially a BDSM game. In the beginning she looked like a powerful extremely beautiful highly experienced woman that was treating the MC as her personal fuck toy. That could bring a lot of interesting dynamics, not necessarily the MC being a sub, but a power play similar to that between the MC and Kathleen or Veronica. Turning Felicia to a cheap whore seems to be very disappointing.

Felicia does a lot of things for the story.

For one, she is an expensive whore; that's the point. She got by on her looks and by placating rich men's ego. Somebody you'd see a photo of on social media and you'd instantly deride and dismiss as being vapid without second thought. In a game about power dynamics and selling yourself, she adds a perspective beyond those doing it out of desperation. She also helps paint Vicky's story in a distinct light, as the other Carnations do.

In regards to her relationship with the MC, she fill a teacher-role. The slut sage coming down from on high to teach Edwin her philosophy of hedonism, bullshitting about the hierarchy of needs as she enjoys being with someone who has less power over her. Or maybe has power over her thanks to the exhibition, and she's acutely aware of that?

There's also quite a bit of compare and contrasting between her and Kathleen, especially in how they encourage Edwin to let loose and be confident in who he is.

Point is, it's not nothing. It's just not what you narrowly expect from her character.

 

[Beduin123]

If you're only halfway through the game at this point, keep playing and maybe your opinion of Felicia will change. I don't want to spoil it, but I will say that you will have the opportunity to see what's hidden behind the "cheap submissive thrill seeking whore" facade.

I just played the interview with her husband so I can imagine her motives. Still doesn't change what I said either about her being completely reckless or about her being a waste of a good character.

 

[Nightguy1]

Felecia's story is a weird one but her motives a clear she is throwing her toys out of the pram because she didn't get what she wanted from her husband so she will hurt him where he values most his reputation whilst using her best and only commodity in her own estimation anyway to get the thing he didnt want to give her. Doing this she must know that very very likely possibility Elias finds out and she ends up a broke 30 sumn with no skills or qualifications now unable to live the extravagant life she's gotten so used to. I hope to see her sucking 20 dicks a week in my ending and still not being able to afford the restaurant she used to so casually eat at everyday and how this new life of hers truly lands with her the girl who spent her adult life social climbing.

I have my doubts though as the writers have chosen to depict her as a true "artist" so i follow she will continue like that till the end even though the artist felecia that Edwin has been getting to know over the last few months was killed by the goldigger decades ago and 30 plus year old people do not change. She is my favourite carnation but i think she will fall to my least favourite if the endings for her dont land right.

 

[Beduin123]

For one, she is an expensive whore

She is an expensive whore that already in the first week of competition allows to degrade her to a cheap whore. That's the point.

In regards to her relationship with the MC, she fill a teacher-role.

That's also my point that through half of the game it looks like it is the MC that teaches her. Power dynamics are wasted. She degrades too fast to the state of a simple sex crazed animal to be taken seriously as a sage.

 

[ffive]

I just played the interview with her husband so I can imagine her motives. Still doesn't change what I said either about her being completely reckless or about her being a waste of a good character.

The thing about what you say is, you're largely going off presumptions and ignorance -- you don't know what Felicia's plan regarding her future actually is, so you are presuming that "completely running her reputation" is something that will be extremely damaging to her and something she for some reason completely overlooked... but neither has to be the case.

 

[Beduin123]

I hope to see her sucking 20 dicks a week in my ending and still not being able to afford the restaurant she used to so casually eat at everyday and how this new life of hers truly lands with her the girl who spent her adult life social climbing.

That's my point that it is the most likely outcome in this version of the story and that's why I feel that her initial impression of a sex sage (I agree with this definition) has ended in her bukkake sperm covered frenzy in the first week of the competion.

 

[Beduin123]

The thing about what you say is, you're largely going off presumptions and ignorance -- you don't know what Felicia's plan regarding her future actually is, so you are presuming that "completely running her reputation" is something that will be extremely damaging to her and something she for some reason completely overlooked... but neither has to be the case.

So, please enlighten my ignorance, what is her brilliant plan involving to completely degrade herself and somehow stay afloat in her life?

 

[ffive]

So, please enlighten my ignorance, what is her brilliant plan involving to completely degrade herself and somehow stay afloat in her life?

We don't know. I guess you could either wait and see or shoot your mouth off.

(there's some hints that her plans may revolve around blackmail, but there's no details. She's, quite understandably, tight-lipped about it)

 

[TD1900]

She is an expensive whore that already in the first week of competition allows to degrade her to a cheap whore. That's the point.

That's also my point that through half of the game it looks like it is the MC that teaches her. Power dynamics are wasted. She degrades too fast to the state of a simple crazed sex animal to be taken seriously as a sage.

What's the difference between being a cheap and expensive whore? They both fuck for money, so surely it's a question of price tag. If that's the distinction, from her perspective membership into the Carnation Club and how she plans on leveraging it isn't selling herself for cheap.

If the distinction you're making is that she's degrading herself and making herself less through public acts of sex... you don't think expensive whores have people defalcate on their chests? In a certain light, the blue blooded members of the club are the ones degrading themselves down to her level.

 

[Beduin123]

We don't know. I guess you could either wait and see or shoot your mouth off.

So, you don't know anything but still trying to pretend that you do. Too much hot air in you to tell me when to shut my mouth.

 

[ffive]

So, you don't know anything but still trying to pretend that you do. Too much hot air in you to tell me when to shut my mouth.

No, i'm pointing out that neither of us know anything about it. That's why i was keeping my mouth shut on this subject, and you're making yourself look foolish [insisting on] doing the opposite.

 

[Beduin123]

What's the difference between being a cheap and expensive whore?

I think the same as the difference between a homeless and a billionaire. They are both not free from the life circumstances and the quality of life is a bit different, but don't you agree, a billionaire has better control of the circumstances.

At this stage Felicia doesn't strike me as a spoiled but calculating woman in control of the things she seemed to be in the beginning. That role would suit her if she wanted to revenge her husband. Now she is just a sex animal following her lust and completely depending on the external circumstances.

 

[TD1900]

No, i'm pointing out that neither of us know anything about it. That's why i was keeping my mouth shut on this subject, and you're making yourself look foolish doing the opposite.

I mean... you have read far enough to know she's aware of the pitfalls of her plan, how it might blow up in her face, and a vague claim of contingency. It's not the same.

 

[Beduin123]

No, i'm pointing out that neither of us know anything about it. That's why i was keeping my mouth shut on this subject, and you're making yourself look foolish [insisting on] doing the opposite.

So, you believe in some infinite wisdom of the DEVs that will allow them to twist this situation somehow in the end to make it more feasible. OK, godspeed.
Time will show who of us is foolish. Still I'm very much in doubt that you are qualified to judge my foolishness.

 

[ename144]

So, please enlighten my ignorance, what is her brilliant plan involving to completely degrade herself and somehow stay afloat in her life?

From what she's said: blackmail. Once she has some influential friends outside Elias' control, she plans to leverage the dirt she's picked up on other people over the years (plus her high charisma) to get her what she needs. She may end up with less in terns in total dollars in her pocket than she had with Elias, but she'll accept that because she'll have far more say on how to use it.

And it's worth noting that her plan could work... *IF* everything goes well. The fact she's degrading herself in front of people who can't call her out on that in public is immaterial to her as long as they give her the contacts she needs; it's not like being sexually degraded is repulsive to her. Elias will no doubt learn about this eventually, but if Felicia has her own network by then it won't matter to her.

Of course, we in the audience have already learned that Felicia's plan is doomed, and it was always going to be something of a longshot. But Felicia was desperate enough and/or overconfident enough to assume she could make it work, so she tossed her hat into the ring. That arguably makes her foolish (and I have indeed argued that), but people act in foolish ways all the time.

 

[imno]

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then do i have to start from the begining