VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Ralpvolvos]

ONLY ending ?
i doubt that ,the devs can correct me if i am wrong with my assumptions.

i finish the current version some hours ago and
i believe (or hope) the dev will at least make edwin romance ending with each Li and maybe some throuple ending.

but no harem because there is no harem tag and i do think with the current story unfold, harem is not really a thing especially for rosalinda and kath (she basically one of the main antagonist).

Veronica do show some chemistry and interest toward Edwin and might "fall in love" with Edwin if edwin help her against samson. veronica story isnt as big as the other yet and based on the walkthrough, choice that required being in Veronica path are only a few (only 4 or 5 i think), so i do think her story will unfold more in the future.


the game is one of the best masterpiece in HS avn, i really want to see how the story unfold further and especially the endings. BUT with the current update cycle (oncer per year or less), i think i will just forget about this game and play it again when it already complete (maybe 4 years later, hopefully not that long).

 

[Hungover00]

There may be solo endings for each of the Carnations (though I am skeptical), but it seems very likely there will be a Hana ending, a Mina ending, maybe a throuple of Hana and Mina, and then one psycho killer ending associated with Kath. Might have a few minor adjustments past that, but I think that covers the main strokes.

 

[UmbralKnight]

Why would the devs spoil their own story?

i am not asking them to spoil the ending but claiming that only ending Veronica is very likely to have is a fwb ending is pretty wild claim.

 

[ffive]

but claiming that only ending Veronica is very likely to have is a fwb ending is pretty wild claim

Considering Veronica is very much a lesbian i don't really see anything that wild about it. In fact, fwb may already be stretching it as it is.

Unless Edwin gets to transition with Sophia's drugs or smth, i guess.

 

[Maccabbee]

i am not asking them to spoil the ending but claiming that only ending Veronica is very likely to have is a fwb ending is pretty wild claim.

It's called "theorycrafting", not claiming I can see the future. Any reveal from the dev will spoil the planned story. One small reveal can kill lots of dramatic buildup. Besides, what else is there to do while we wait for new builds? Waifu wars and theories about plot developments.

Considering Veronica is very much a lesbian i don't really see anything that wild about it. In fact, fwb may already be stretching it as it is.

Unless Edwin gets to transition with Sophia's drugs or smth, i guess.

Depending on your choices in the game, you get to have some great sex with Ronnie, but it's not her usual cuppa, if you know what I mean. I'm not even talking about the stuff on stage, of course. There's some nice sex at the gym.

 

[ffive]

There's some nice sex at the gym.

Do you mean what can happen during the photo session? I don't know if it's intentional, but to me it all felt very much like purely functional "you scratch my back and i'll do yours" deal to get rid of the excitement from the D/S aspect of the session, but with very little of actual sexual attraction on Veronica's part. Like, the only moment where Veronica seems to get really into it in the sense she actually sees Edwin as more than flesh dildo, is when he chooses options to behave "like a girl" with all the submission, moaning and stuff.

And then on their other outing she basically needs to be drunk out of her mind to fuck Edwin. Which, again, doesn't strike me as much of attraction outside of that state.

 

[labmouseblues]

Considering Veronica is very much a lesbian i don't really see anything that wild about it.

It's wild anyone would think a main LI will pull a "I'm just not that into you" on the player character.

Like, come on.

 

[ffive]

It's wild anyone would think a main LI will pull a "I'm just not that into you" on the player character.

Like, come on.

She evidently isn't. Or into men in general. She is a major character, but does this game out of all things strike you as one where the authors would be afraid to ignore the conventions?

It's just as wild to think a hot mom wouldn't get it on with the player character in porn game too, yet here we are.

 

[UmbralKnight]

Considering Veronica is very much a lesbian i don't really see anything that wild about it. In fact, fwb may already be stretching it as it is.

Unless Edwin gets to transition with Sophia's drugs or smth, i guess.

technically she is Bi and she says it herself.
i do agree that she generally favors women but she says she doesn't mind if it's a man or women as long as the person is cute.

It's called "theorycrafting", not claiming I can see the future. Any reveal from the dev will spoil the planned story. One small reveal can kill lots of dramatic buildup. Besides, what else is there to do while we wait for new builds? Waifu wars and theories about plot developments.



Depending on your choices in the game, you get to have some great sex with Ronnie, but it's not her usual cuppa, if you know what I mean. I'm not even talking about the stuff on stage, of course. There's some nice sex at the gym.

i am guessing you didn't play the veonica update huh
she has one of the best scenes in it.
besides even if we are just "theory crafting" it stands to reason that veronica would have at least one ending with the MC as more than "friends" considering she is one of the main LIs.

Do you mean what can happen during the photo session? I don't know if it's intentional, but to me it all felt very much like purely functional "you scratch my back and i'll do yours" deal to get rid of the excitement from the D/S aspect of the session, but with very little of actual sexual attraction on Veronica's part. Like, the only moment where Veronica seems to get really into it in the sense she actually sees Edwin as more than flesh dildo, is when he chooses options to behave "like a girl" with all the submission, moaning and stuff.

And then on their other outing she basically needs to be drunk out of her mind to fuck Edwin. Which, again, doesn't strike me as much of attraction outside of that state.

i would have to disagree completely.
veronica doesn't seem to mind that she had sex with the MC , infact she is happy to talk with the MC afterwards nor does she blame him for taking advantage of her when she is drunk.

 

[ffive]

i would have to disagree completely.
veronica doesn't seem to mind that she had sex with the MC , infact she is happy to talk with the MC afterwards nor does she blame him for taking advantage of her when she is drunk.

I'm not saying she was taken advantage of. But that she apparently doesn't find MC very appealing when she's sober.

Consider it a reverse of the usual stereotype how a guy needs a few drinks to stop getting turned off by a "not hot enough" girl. He, too, doesn't complain afterwards about "being taken advantage of".

 

[labmouseblues]

She is a major character, but does this game out of all things strike you as one where the authors would be afraid to ignore the conventions?

Yeah, a game about a twenty something nerd that gets paid to have sex with a bunch of sex goddesses while having two hotties lust after him on the side is such a break away from porn conventions.

 

[ffive]

Yeah, a game about a twenty something nerd that gets paid to have sex with a bunch of sex goddesses while having two hotties lust after him on the side is such a break away from porn conventions.

Right, unless conventions are broken to the point where MC in the porn game isn't having sex whatsoever, it's completely generic.

Oh wait, if MC isn't having sex then it's just a cuck game. So conventional, too. I guess there's just no escaping it, no matter what.

Or maybe there's a little more nuance to these things than just black and white. And i don't mean racial play.

 

[Maccabbee]

Yeah, a game about a twenty something nerd that gets paid to have sex with a bunch of sex goddesses while having two hotties lust after him on the side is such a break away from porn conventions.

This game is so far beyond "porn conventions" even for an AVN. The characters and stakes are completely extreme, and it would not surprise me if any character dies, LI, MC, or otherwise. The club is beyond being a "brothel" or a "sex club", though it has both features. The extreme depravity of the patrons, and the effects on the staff, is only even hinted at up to now. I'm sure we'll plumb the depths of this fun shitshow before the end, but with the imminent coup, shit might get real, quickly.

August is a killer, Katherine probably isn't averse to dropping a body, and who knows how crazy Chuck can get. Sophia is absolutely capable of killing people. Warren is a violent psychopath. This is not a "porno". This is a morality play.

 

[labmouseblues]

Or maybe there's a little more nuance to these things than just black and white.

My man, nuance is when a trophy wife slut turns out to be a smart cookie slut with a penchant for introspection. You're advocating for Rian Johnson levels of "subverting expectations".

 

[ffive]

You're advocating for Rian Johnson levels of "subverting expectations".

I'm not advocating anything. I'm pointing out that the game already subverts some expectations, therefore it's not out of the question for it to subvert even more of them.

I hope at the very least we can agree that it is not completely generic, so the argument that it for sure is going to slavishly follow all basic conventions without any chance for it doing its own thing, falls somewhat short?

 

[bonerland]

I'm not saying she was taken advantage of. But that she apparently doesn't find MC very appealing when she's sober.

Consider it a reverse of the usual stereotype how a guy needs a few drinks to stop getting turned off by a "not hot enough" girl. He, too, doesn't complain afterwards about "being taken advantage of".

She's warmed up to him a lot since telling him "I hope I never see you again."

 

[labmouseblues]

I hope at the very least we can agree that it is not completely generic

I don't think the game's unique approach to characterisation was ever in question.

 

[-Moon]

Congrats on being rank #1 [weighted rating] on the site.
Well deserved!

EDIT : Annnnd we're back at #2 behind Eternum, short lived king.

 

[UmbralKnight]

I'm not saying she was taken advantage of. But that she apparently doesn't find MC very appealing when she's sober.

Consider it a reverse of the usual stereotype how a guy needs a few drinks to stop getting turned off by a "not hot enough" girl. He, too, doesn't complain afterwards about "being taken advantage of".

i don't understand where you got the idea that veronica doesn't find the MC appealing , in fact she says few times that the MC isn't that bad looking and almost cute in a funny ,dorky kind of way

 

[ffive]

i don't understand where you got the idea that veronica doesn't find the MC appealing , in fact she says few times that the MC isn't that bad looking and almost cute in a funny ,dorky kind of way

Invite Mina to the gym and you will see how Veronica acts around someone she actually finds appealing.