VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Halsy]

This game makes me uncomfortable and i don't know why. I mean i don't mind hardcore stuff heck i fcking love it, but for some reason this one makes me uncomfortable.

 

[Beduin123]

I'm guessing her behaviour is just porn logic at its best because I can't find true logic in her behaviour.

I think it is the same porn logic that makes Felicia join the competition. This is one the most well-written games on this site but let's not forget it is a porn game.

 

[Discrepancy]

This game makes me uncomfortable and i don't know why.

Maybe because you don't want to see these girls being degraded?

 

[Turret]

I always got the impression Sophia was addicted to the sex crack Abel has. She is “loyal” to Abel because, one, Abel is the only one that currently has the supply of her sex heroine. Two, she is too busy running algebraic numbers for her short term gain leaving no mind power for any long term thinking. She’s just a codependent groupie. All junkies look into the mirror and think they are the worlds best stable genius until it’s too late.

Its a Greek tragedy that thee “genius” would think Abel has sincere affection for the guinea pig that doesn’t realize is the guinea pig.

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Pardon, you overlook some info we gain during play about the characters and the game world. That Sophia is a great genius is info we get from several sides, not only her, so this is a fact of the story. It is also a fact that she will be his successor in a few year time. Sje is also the inventor of this super viagra.

 

[Halsy]

Maybe because you don't want to see these girls being degraded?

Yeah probably, makes me think I'm a fake hardcore fan lol

 

[HDussen]

I think it is the same porn logic that makes Felicia join the competition. This is on the the most well-written games on this site but let's not forget it is a porn game.

Felicia joining has a definite porn logic vibe. Current Felicia, though, is arguably the best choice for winning the competition.

(Obvious spoilers ahead, for anyone not caught up.)

Please note that the below is not about personal preference – mine or other's – but about which result would cause the most good / least harm.

When starting out, it is fairly easy to sort the three:
– Rose is caught up with some nasty people who may harm both her and her daughter. Of the three, she is the one who will be in the most trouble if she does not win.
– Veronica must win to hang on to her business (for a while longer). Not winning therefore has some serious negative consequences, but not as dire as Rose's.
– Felicia just wants to join the club for some reason. If she does not win, she can just go back to her trophy wife life. No big deal.

The current situation, however, has flipped that list on its head.

– The club has taken over Rose's debt, meaning that the consequences of not winning have basically been reduced to being a House Girl for a while. While far from ideal, she has gone through worse already, both on and off stage.
– Edwin has been digging into the root causes of Veronica's failing business, and is looking for ways to fix them. The competition is almost irrelevant for her at this point: Winning without also solving the Samson situation just postpones the inevitable, and if Edwin can solve things, she does not need to win.
– And Felicia? If she wins, she plans to leverage the win to help other people. There are of course no guarantees she will succeed, but there is at least the potential of improving the lives of a great number of people. And with her husband now in the club, for the first time she has something to lose.

So, from a perspective of the greatest good to the greatest number of people and the least harm to the least number of people, picking Felicia as winner is clearly the best choice, as things stand.

(There may be variations to the above based on player choices.)

 

[Kameri]

Felicia joining has a definite porn logic vibe. Current Felicia, though, is arguably the best choice for winning the competition.

(Obvious spoilers ahead, for anyone not caught up.)

Please note that the below is not about personal preference – mine or other's – but about which result would cause the most good / least harm.

When starting out, it is fairly easy to sort the three:
– Rose is caught up with some nasty people who may harm both her and her daughter. Of the three, she is the one who will be in the most trouble if she does not win.
– Veronica must win to hang on to her business (for a while longer). Not winning therefore has some serious negative consequences, but not as dire as Rose's.
– Felicia just wants to join the club for some reason. If she does not win, she can just go back to her trophy wife life. No big deal.

The current situation, however, has flipped that list on its head.

– The club has taken over Rose's debt, meaning that the consequences of not winning have basically been reduced to being a House Girl for a while. While far from ideal, she has gone through worse already, both on and off stage.
– Edwin has been digging into the root causes of Veronica's failing business, and is looking for ways to fix them. The competition is almost irrelevant for her at this point: Winning without also solving the Samson situation just postpones the inevitable, and if Edwin can solve things, she does not need to win.
– And Felicia? If she wins, she plans to leverage the win to help other people. There are of course no guarantees she will succeed, but there is at least the potential of improving the lives of a great number of people. And with her husband now in the club, for the first time she has something to lose.

So, from a perspective of the greatest good to the greatest number of people and the least harm to the least number of people, picking Felicia as winner is clearly the best choice, as things stand.

(There may be variations to the above based on player choices.)

What would be the worst choice then?

 

[Turret]

I would agree with you if Abel's requests were more along the line: "sleep with Edwin/Ian who you find attractive" and not "be gangbanged by wrinkly old men while laying on the table with a bunch of food on top". Abel treats her like his toy and she wastes her brilliant mind on things like being a security detail, a potential support for Edwin, a bartender/waitress, a chess player/entertainer and even a whore for a man that disgusts her (i.e. Chuck, although he declined Abel's offer).

I'm guessing her behaviour is just porn logic at its best because I can't find true logic in her behaviour.

Hi Sunaboz!
As I mentioned in several earlier posts, Abel and Sophia are playing roles inside the club and with several people at the place, to not stick out more than they already do. They want to keep everything quiet until their plans start to move. If it is a "four eyes" (six eyes ) situation in the club and outside PC, both are different. You can see this e.g. in the talks with Edwin and even Chuck.
There was no chance Chuck would have taken Abel´s offer of Sophia and they knew it. One of Chuck´s few good qualities is that he needs to win first, before he can enjoy a success. It is near pathological with him too. Abel knew this when he made the offer, Chuck would never have accepted. Both doctors are very well informed about the club and it´s members.

As TD stated himself, the gangbang was put in to show that Sophia could be wild too under specific circumstances.

You massively underestimate the fact that Sophia will, within a few years at most, becoming the leader of a large, renowned medical corporation, when she takes over from Abel. Also Abel saved her from a lousy dead job in a in the nowhere located lab.

 

[Simpgor]

What would be the worst choice then?

The "worst choice" to win is Vero

Felica winning would give her "power" and connections beyond what her husband allows her

Rose winning would "reset" her situation and give her/her daughter a "normal life" (Until rose daughter is the FeMC for Pale Carnations 2). As for player choice its just as likely she ends up as a housegirl as she is to just have Kathleen accept the debt without conditions, or have Ian/Felica pay.

Vero winning is by own and admission a band aid, she got fucked over not only by Samson but by her trainer/coach from the get go. Unless the club is also going to deal with all the business side of things her gym is going to continue to barely function.

 

[Beduin123]

As TD stated himself, the gangbang was put in to show that Sophia could be wild too under specific circumstances.

That's exactly what's called porn logic

The club has taken over Rose's debt, meaning that the consequences of not winning have basically been reduced to being a House Girl for a while. While far from ideal, she has gone through worse already, both on and off stage.

Totally agree. I view Rosie as a more positive, more homely version of Lucy.

If she does not win, she can just go back to her trophy wife life.

Only if her husband is a total cuck or if her "fame" doesn't leave the walls of the club.

 

[Simpgor]

Only if her husband is a total cuck or if her "fame" doesn't leave the walls of the club.

Ive been saying it since last update dropped: Elias is a cuck or he is going to have a very very bad time during the exhibition

Wife who dislikes alot about him
Group of men (business associates/rivals) who have openly admitted to being attracted to the idea that felica is specifically HIS wife
Edwin who is very likely to be on Felica side/not on Elias, at best (for elias) Edwin is not that close to felica and also bad at his job during the exhibition and at worse he turned down a significant amount of money because he not only enjoys her as a person but has is also very sexually compatible, and doesnt belittle her/art
Then on top of all of that you have Kathleen who has a hate boner for felica, doesnt give a fuck about Elias, and has shown nothing but the desire to fuck peoples shit up

oh and the overall "meta" fact that felica still hasn't had a exhibition that seems "targeted" at her like Vero had in week 2

I wonder if we will get any of him before the exhibition (like the other patrons) or if it'll be saved as a shocking reveal either at the end of this update or the start of the next one.

 

[Idontplay]

My two cents? We are going to see Felicia "golden life" ended in a very bad way.

 

[sunaboz]

My two cents? We are going to see Felicia "golden life" ended in a very bad way.

Nah, I don't see it. She's a bright woman with a degree in psychology, she will survive easily. She might not have a black credit card after the competition but she will definitely stand better financially than Veronica or Rosalind (even if they will win instead). And personally I understand why she risked it all for her dream. She hates Elias and is bored with her life. So the Elias-Felicia transaction was pretty one-sided, she got some pocket change for most of her basic whims but when she needed some more money (which was still not much from Elias's point of view) she was rejected. Then why be in such a relationship?

Anyway, we will see how TD will wrap it up.

 

[lttesch]

My two cents? We are going to see Felicia "golden life" ended in a very bad way.

Yeah, I think it will probably head more in this direction. Regardless of winning on her part, Elias will likely be used more as a catalyst to degrade her further. While he may be aware of her infidelity, it's likely a case of out of sight out of mind. To see it first hand though, it will generate consequences for her.

 

[ffive]

Ive been saying it since last update dropped: Elias is a cuck or he is going to have a very very bad time during the exhibition

IIRC they have agreement about being free to fuck other people. But i imagine this presumably comes with caveat of "so long as it doesn't become public or a damage to public image in some way" which well, is very much the case here.

 

[Idontplay]

Nah, I don't see it. She's a bright woman with a degree in psychology, she will survive easily. She might not have a black credit card after the competition but she will definitely stand better financially than Veronica or Rosalind (even if they will win instead). And personally I understand why she risked it all for her dream. She hates Elias and is bored with her life. So the Elias-Felicia transaction was pretty one-sided, she got some pocket change for most of her basic whims but when she needed some more money (which was still not much from Elias's point of view) she was rejected. Then why be in such a relationship?

Anyway, we will see how TD will wrap it up.

A bright woman with a degree in psychology, who became a whore in a brothel cannot do anything with that degree, because no psychologist will assume her. She can only continue a be a whore and hope to find a generous sugardaddy.

 

[ffive]

– The club has taken over Rose's debt, meaning that the consequences of not winning have basically been reduced to being a House Girl for a while. While far from ideal, she has gone through worse already, both on and off stage.

I don't think they were reduced in any way with it, this was very much always on the table for those who don't win. For Rose, it may mean that she'll have to work longer because the club now has direct leverage over her instead of just "well, you don't have any other option, so why won't you?"

 

[slightchance]

Then why be in such a relationship?

There doesn't always have to be a good reason to stay in a relationship. People often settle for good enough.

 

[sunaboz]

A bright woman with a degree in psychology, who became a whore in a brothel cannot do anything with that degree, because no psychologist will assume her. She can only continue a be a whore and hope to find a generous sugardaddy.

Yeah and how will they reveal that fact without revealing the existence of the club? Not to mention that she's not a whore and so far the only one who had sex with her was Edwin (there might have been bukkake there as well in certain scenarios but that's it). And if it came down to it Felicia could also do a lot of damage, plus seeing her recent sex scene with Elias she could do damage to him personally, she wouldn't even need to threaten other club members.

Besides, she wouldn't have to work as a psychologist (and after so many years without practice it would be unlikely) but as an HR recruiter or in marketing or many other fields.

Also, let's be honest, in this club only there are "losers" who are likely to take Felicia for a trophy wife after the shitstorm and with her connections I'm sure she would find someone else.

 

[ffive]

There doesn't have to be always a good reason to stay in a relationship. People often settle for good enough.

That or "i'm not good enough to attract anyone better, so may as well."