VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[sunaboz]

Since you've answering for Idontplay explain to me why do you assume that she wouldn't find work when it couldn't be revealed what happened in the club (this part you've conveniently ignored)?

Losers with lots of money? Why do they need a whore of a wife if they can have as many whores as they want? (...)

Yeah, I do wonder why successful people with wives still use the services of prostitutes .

Felicia is so much more than a succubus, she's basically a western geisha, a trophy wife like no other, why do you think she would have problems finding some other rich sucker?

After living for years in this golden cage? Nice one

She already works for her friend:

"I do, but I don't work there in any official capacity. Sometimes I take calls, sort applications, file documents. That kind of thing."
"Yeah, the owner is a friend of mine. He lets me help out when I go stir-crazy."

And we know she's good at what she's doing. She does have extensive connections, getting average salary at her age would be easy.

 

[ffive]

Since you've answering for Idontplay explain to me why do you assume that she wouldn't find work when it couldn't be revealed what happened in the club (this part you've conveniently ignored)?

The poster you're replying to made hating on Felicia to excessive lengths their whole thing. You won't really get anywhere with them on this topic.

 

[Simpgor]

The poster you're replying to made hating on Felicia to excessive lengths their whole thing. You won't really get anywhere with them on this topic.

No no I think calling her a whore multiple times while only having the argument of "whores bad so she need bad life" is pretty compelling and has evidence such as:

 

[lustforsex]

I think Felicia is going through an existential crisis and it's hard for people to admit to themselves that they've spent the best years of their lives doing something they didn't really want. That might explain her constantly changing reasons for joining the club. She might not know what she wants, but one thing is clear - what she doesn't want is the life she's led herself into, thinking it would be the best option. But in the end, Elias doesn't care about her and she can't make any important decisions on her own.

Her decision to perform at the exhibition can be seen as an attempt to grab something more before her divorce from Elias than just leaving with nothing. What can Elias do to Felicia when so many influential people know about their situation in the club and Elias is planning to run for mayor? And some of these influential people even like Felicia, like Eric.

Also, considering what Felicia said after visiting the art exhibition, she most likely has an ace up her sleeve that she can play at the right moment. We don't know what it is exactly, maybe it will be shown in the next update.

I can understand why some players cannot sympathize with Felicia's motives and decisions, because they can seem really stupid and unreasonable. For some, it's easier to call her a dumb slut and move on. So for those who read this far, I want to ask you a question: why do you think Felicia shows such sympathy for Edwin, given that they are completely from different leagues and not taking into account "porn logic"? Could this have something to do with her "self-confidence" stat? I am interested to know your opinion on this matter

 

[lttesch]

I think Felicia is going through an existential crisis and it's hard for people to admit to themselves that they've spent the best years of their lives doing something they didn't really want. That might explain her constantly changing reasons for joining the club. She might not know what she wants, but one thing is clear - what she doesn't want is the life she's led herself into, thinking it would be the best option. But in the end, Elias doesn't care about her and she can't make any important decisions on her own.

Her decision to perform at the exhibition can be seen as an attempt to grab something more before her divorce from Elias than just leaving with nothing. What can Elias do to Felicia when so many influential people know about their situation in the club and Elias is planning to run for mayor? And some of these influential people even like Felicia, like Eric.

Also, considering what Felicia said after visiting the art exhibition, she most likely has an ace up her sleeve that she can play at the right moment. We don't know what it is exactly, maybe it will be shown in the next update.

I can understand why some players cannot sympathize with Felicia's motives and decisions, because they can seem really stupid and unreasonable. For some, it's easier to call her a dumb slut and move on. So for those who read this far, I want to ask you a question: why do you think Felicia shows such sympathy for Edwin, given that they are completely from different leagues and not taking into account "porn logic"? Could this have something to do with her "self-confidence" stat? I am interested to know your opinion on this matter

I find her a very flawed character, and that's what is great about her. I won't lie, she definitely rubbed me the wrong way. But as the story unfolded at least in my perception, she seems a lost soul, someone who feels that she literally contributes nothing in this world and what little she actually does is behind a private mask. Maybe she feels she has done too much depravity in her past, that no one will take her seriously. Who knows? Maybe that weird prenup clause of her not having kids is really hitting her now?

I will say this though, many peoples reactions to her are likely mirrored in real life reactions. Whenever you see the millionaire whining on TV about their depression, loneliness, drug habit etc., it comes across as very shallow to a normal person. The general rection will be "try going through those problems without the cash fucker, then we'll talk". It even comes across in how Rose and Victoria react to her at times.

It's why I think some of characters are pretty well written in the game. It actually fosters dialogue on a porn pirate forum of all places on their motivations, desires and thoughts.

 

[Simpgor]

I think Felicia is going through an existential crisis and it's hard for people to admit to themselves that they've spent the best years of their lives doing something they didn't really want. That might explain her constantly changing reasons for joining the club. She might not know what she wants, but one thing is clear - what she doesn't want is the life she's led herself into, thinking it would be the best option. But in the end, Elias doesn't care about her and she can't make any important decisions on her own.

Her decision to perform at the exhibition can be seen as an attempt to grab something more before her divorce from Elias than just leaving with nothing. What can Elias do to Felicia when so many influential people know about their situation in the club and Elias is planning to run for mayor? And some of these influential people even like Felicia, like Eric.

So for those who read this far, I want to ask you a question: why do you think Felicia shows such sympathy for Edwin, given that they are completely from different leagues and not taking into account "porn logic"? Could this have something to do with her "self-confidence" stat? I am interested to know your opinion on this matter

Has she changed her reason for joining the club? Kathleen (iirc) dropped the initial bombshell that she wanted to join the club should she win but hasn't she always been more or less honest that she wants power/connections/the ability to act without her husband?

I dont think that her doing the exhibition is part of some 4d chess plan though at least not in the insurance sense, she didnt know how the patrons would react, she didnt know how far it would go, and judging by the fact that kathleen is clearly keeping Elias involvement hidden felica also didnt bank on him finding out at least during the exhibition.

I dont think she has sympathy for Edwin so much as she just likes him? like even the stuff before the club they have chemistry and Ian had been gassing Edwin up to her. You dont really need to apply porn logic either imo since it only happens a single time. Once the exhibition starts her "closest allies" and Edwin and (non reflective) Ian. Her getting closer to someone who she already vibes with and is not Ian at the start of the game is pretty logical. Look no further than the scene variation where she loses the first week and edwin joins Ian instead of being the cameraman.

I personally hope that her self confidence score comes into play in this next update or during the exhibition as it feels like a more relevant stat than horniness (or anger) when there's multiple avenues of attack being used on her. Maybe her only being able to win week 3 if her confidence is high enough regardless of what the player chooses during the exhibition.... and yes im planning a 3 way tie going into week 4 what of it

 

[Idontplay]

Yeah and how will they reveal that fact without revealing the existence of the club? Not to mention that she's not a whore and so far the only one who had sex with her was Edwin (there might have been bukkake there as well in certain scenarios but that's it). And if it came down to it Felicia could also do a lot of damage, plus seeing her recent sex scene with Elias she could do damage to him personally, she wouldn't even need to threaten other club members.

Besides, she wouldn't have to work as a psychologist (and after so many years without practice it would be unlikely) but as an HR recruiter or in marketing or many other fields.

Also, let's be honest, in this club only there are "losers" who are likely to take Felicia for a trophy wife after the shitstorm and with her connections I'm sure she would find someone else.

Look, this is a videogame, so for the characters there isn't any life after the ending. The only thing that matter is the story and among the three carnations, Felicia is the only one who doesn't has anything at stake. This is why Kateleen invited Felicia's husband at the event: to destroy Felicia's life, putting her in the same state of distress in which Veronica and Rosalind are, because this is what the club's customers enjoy: to play with the others lifes like if they weren't human beings.

 

[Ntrsugar]

Is there any possible Incest in the game ?
Just confirming .

 

[Elduriel]

Is there any possible Incest in the game ?
Just confirming .

nope, never was, never will be

 

[Idontplay]

The developers said:
«NO!»

 

[lttesch]

Is there any possible Incest in the game ?
Just confirming .

Closest you will get is Killian shacking up with Vicky.

 

[lustforsex]

Has she changed her reason for joining the club? Kathleen (iirc) dropped the initial bombshell that she wanted to join the club should she win but hasn't she always been more or less honest that she wants power/connections/the ability to act without her husband?

After their date at the restaurant in the first week, Felicia tried to convince Edwin that she decided to participate in the club for her own desires and fun, at the very least.

I dont think that her doing the exhibition is part of some 4d chess plan though at least not in the insurance sense, she didnt know how the patrons would react, she didnt know how far it would go, and judging by the fact that kathleen is clearly keeping Elias involvement hidden felica also didnt bank on him finding out at least during the exhibition.

It's easier for us to look at all this from the outside and draw conclusions about other people's actions, but people can't always make rational conclusions and decisions. At the photo shoot and after it (in her "shelter") she was very emotional about Elias and the art school.

I dont think she has sympathy for Edwin so much as she just likes him? like even the stuff before the club they have chemistry and Ian had been gassing Edwin up to her. You dont really need to apply porn logic either imo since it only happens a single time. Once the exhibition starts her "closest allies" and Edwin and (non reflective) Ian. Her getting closer to someone who she already vibes with and is not Ian at the start of the game is pretty logical. Look no further than the scene variation where she loses the first week and edwin joins Ian instead of being the cameraman.

Well, I disagree here. Even in the dialogue between Felicia and Mina, she almost blurted out something unnecessary when she wanted to say that he did the right thing by not crossing the line with Mina, but she immediately corrected herself and said that he was just a fool for not fucking everything that moves. This is not how people behave when they just like someone. She clearly sees Mina as a rival and there may even be a bit of jealousy.

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I personally hope that her self confidence score comes into play in this next update or during the exhibition as it feels like a more relevant stat than horniness (or anger) when there's multiple avenues of attack being used on her. Maybe her only being able to win week 3 if her confidence is high enough regardless of what the player chooses during the exhibition.... and yes im planning a 3 way tie going into week 4 what of it

I'm also interested in a scenario where one carnation wins 3 weeks in a row. Obviously, Kathleen won't let the games end in week 3 anymore, but I'm still curious how that will happen

 

[Simpgor]

Well, I disagree here. Even in the dialogue between Felicia and Mina, she almost blurted out something unnecessary when she wanted to say that he did the right thing by not crossing the line with Mina, but she immediately corrected herself and said that he was just a fool for not fucking everything that moves. This is not how people behave when they just like someone. She clearly sees Mina as a rival and there may even be a bit of jealousy.

I'm also interested in a scenario where one carnation wins 3 weeks in a row. Obviously, Kathleen won't let the games end in week 3 anymore, but I'm still curious how that will happen

I was referring to before the exhibitions started at the club/party at Ian's when I said she just liked him and wasn't sympathetic to him, after I agree that she can absolutely more than just like Edwin by this point in the story depending on player choices.

Week 4: Superhell week

 

[Darreau91]

Losers with lots of money? Why do they need a whore of a wife if they can have as many whores as they want?

Tan lines are a rarity in the PC universe so a wise man put a ring on Felicia to lock her up long term. Felicia is the striped golden goose some would say.

A genius man would pay to enter a club to get his rocks off on his other kinks while having a tan lined Mrs. Picasso in the making waiting at home or Edwin’s loins.

Elias is the smartest villain in the game with this strategic maneuvering of high end massage therapists. Whore is such a icky word.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

A genius man would pay to enter a club to get his rocks off on his other kinks while having a tan lined Mrs. Picasso in the making waiting at home or Edwin’s loins.

Did you call me?

 

[lustforsex]

I was referring to before the exhibitions started at the club/party at Ian's when I said she just liked him and wasn't sympathetic to him, after I agree that she can absolutely more than just like Edwin by this point in the story depending on player choices.

Week 4: Superhell week

I want to say that Edwin and Felicia are from different worlds, if we speak superficially. I think most people would see a couple like this in real life and think "what the fuck?!", "what did she see in him?", "they are not right for each other", "she is only with him for the money" and so on.

It's clear that there is "porn logic" here, I am just wondering how much weight it has in the game and whether TD implies something else, perhaps related to the Felicia's self-confidence stat. It feels like Edwin's opinion means more to Felicia than any old farts with money and power.

Maybe Felicia sees Edwin as an equal to herself, given her poor childhood. He also knows what he wants and is going for it, when Felicia gave up the path of an artist and her desire to become an art teacher. Maybe I'm trying to see something that is not really there, hehe

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

The developers said:
«NO!»

 

[hotdtakagi]

is there going to be ian and victoria scene in the future?

 

[dolfe67]

is there going to be ian and victoria scene in the future?

 

[XK271]

God I hope not.