VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

In my current Canon playthrough the numbers are Mina at whopping 37 (cheated with her, Casual Lovers), Hana 20 (just Friends, without benefits), and Felicia at 32 (potential Sugar-Mama). However i am doing a new Canon Run at the moment, trying to get a lower Toughness Score (27 is very high, i dont like to be that tough, aiming for something just over 20), and shifting some Attention away from Veronica towards Rosie. I still plan to cheat in my new Canon so i dont expect the above numbers to change very much, oh and i try to keep my friendship score with Ian above 20 also. Lets see if i can play that out.

In my main playthrough the numbers are Hana 37/2 (friends with interrupted benefits), Felicia 31/3 (going to the art exhibition freely), Mina 25/6/5 (Friends) , Rosi 25/12 (Partners), Veronica 23/13 (Carnation). MCs scores are Tough 13, Ian Bro 34.
As you can see, my Edwin´s focus is on Hana and Felicia, in addition trying to keep Hana´s Anger in check and raising Feli´s Selfconfidence. Mina is a friend, one of the precious few our MC has. I want to help Rosi and Veronica, esp. Rosi who is in a very desperate situation, which was dumped on her, but as the high secondary stats show, I want to keep some ultima ratio options available for them, just in case. While in Rosi´s case it is to a certain extend lessening, after knowing her situation a bit better, something about those two sent my "Spidey sense" on earlier.

 

[Armada1987]

Wants to see mc mom in some action in the coming updates

I would love to see that too and to put a little more BDSM stuff like wooden horse

 

[selberdreher]

In my main playthrough the numbers are Hana 37/2 (friends with interrupted benefits), Felicia 31/3 (going to the art exhibition freely), Mina 25/6/5 (Friends) , Rosi 25/12 (Partners), Veronica 23/13 (Carnation). MCs scores are Tough 13, Ian Bro 34.

Yeah, my current numbers are Hana 20/3, Felicia 32/2, Mina 37/0/0, Rosi 6/10 (Partner, FullDeal) and Veronica 16/15 (Help in the Shadows). Toughness 27 and Ian Bromance 26. Numbers with Rosi and Veronica are a bit low, i did some stuff which wasnt exactly gentlemanlike, but damn, i am just a man afterall.
I also have to mention Kathleen 27/12, which is a mainly strategic decision, because my plan is to be kind a double-/ undercover agent at the club, roleplaying my social chameleon perk, so gaining her Trust is crucial. Yes and this also lead to some decisions i am not really proud of.
As i already told you i am doing a new canon run, so above numbers are subject to change, although i want to keep the general direction of the old one.

 

[dolfe67]

Wants to see mc mom in some action in the coming updates

You will, the MC didn't watch all of his mom's videos

 

[Balpheron]

I bet this got asked a ton, but since the tag section lacks a proper clarification of said tag, I permit myself to inquire further.

Cheating = ? Avoidable? Who cheats on who? Soft unseen NTR? - Clarify - cheers

 

[Turret]

Yeah, my current numbers are Hana 20/3, Felicia 32/2, Mina 37/0/0, Rosi 6/10 (Partner, FullDeal) and Veronica 16/15 (Help in the Shadows). Toughness 27 and Ian Bromance 26. Numbers with Rosi and Veronica are a bit low, i did some stuff which wasnt exactly gentlemanlike, but damn, i am just a man afterall.
I also have to mention Kathleen 27/12, which is a mainly strategic decision, because my plan is to be kind a double-/ undercover agent at the club, roleplaying my social chameleon perk, so gaining her Trust is crucial. Yes and this also lead to some decisions i am not really proud of.
As i already told you i am doing a new canon run, so above numbers are subject to change, although i want to keep the general direction of the old one.

Interesting, my Edwin has the Chameleon perk too, how different the stats can be! It is quite clear why you have rather low stats with esp. Rosi and high Toughness, considering your whopping Kath score, when you are not even on her side.
My current score with Kath is 17/9, I too try to keep some goodwill from her to be on the safe side, but not too much. Scores with August and Chuck are both 8, trusted by Chuck and untrusted by August (but with the partial trust points you can gain)

 

[selberdreher]

I bet this got asked a ton, but since the tag section lacks a proper clarification of said tag, I permit myself to inquire further.

Cheating = ? Avoidable? Who cheats on who? Soft unseen NTR? - Clarify - cheers

Pale Carnation is neither a Dating Sim nor a Harem Game, there are lots of women having sex with lots of men, some of it consensual and on other occasions more unwillingly, so if you see that as cheating and/or NTR depends very much of your own perspective on that matter. Although you are the main character and therefore have the biggest share of the sexy times, those women arent in the game to serve you exclusively. There are a few Pathes outlined which will probably lead to exclusive monogamous relationships down the line, but at the start of the Game all Protagonists are Adults with an adult Past and more or less healthy sexlife. And thankfully the Game doesnt prevent you always from scenes you had rather not seen, because its purpose is not to scratch your bellybutton, but to tell you a compelling story about Love, Sacrifice and Debauchery. Mind you, your choices do matter so you can indeed shape the general direction of the Game, but you need sometimes to let loose and give the reigns to the creators. If you cant deal with it, dont play, but you will seriously miss out on one of the best Games on this Site.

 

[Balpheron]

Pale Carnation is neither a Dating Sim nor a Harem Game, there are lots of women having sex with lots of men, some of it consensual and on other occasions more unwillingly, so if you see that as cheating and/or NTR depends very much of your own perspective on that matter. Altough you are the main character and therefore have the biggest share of the sexy times, those women arent in the game to serve you exclusively. There are a few Pathes outlined which will probably lead to exclusive monogamous relationships down the line, but at the start of the Game all Protagonists are Adults with an adult Past and more or less healthy sexlife. And thankfully the Game doesnt prevent you always from scenes you had rather not seen, because its purpose is not to scratch your bellybutton, but to tell you a compelling story about Love, Sacrifice and Debauchery. Mind you, your choices do matter so you can indeed shape the general direction of the Game, but you need sometimes to let loose and give the reigns to the creators. If you cant deal with it, dont play, but you will seriously miss out on one of the best Games on this Site.

I can see why this wouldn't fit in the tag section

That said - that tag is still there and while I do love and appreciate your explanation and value your endorsement. My question still stands. Different uploaders/developers have different notions of the cheating tag. I'm unbiased and while I do have my preferences, a good story is the basis for the delivery of even the lousiest components.

 

[selberdreher]

I can see why this wouldn't fit in the tag section

That said - that tag is still there and while I do love and appreciate your explanation and value your endorsement. My question still stands. Different uploaders/developers have different notions of the cheating tag. I'm unbiased and while I do have my preferences, a good story is the basis for the delivery of even the lousiest components.

You can indeed cheat on your best friend with his girlfriend, so i think the cheating tag is justified, on other occasions you have sex with technically married women, so i guess that counts as cheating also. Since MC is Single at the Start of the Game, none of them cheats on you. (as of Build Ch3 Upd3)

 

[Balpheron]

You can indeed cheat on your best friend with his girlfriend, so i think the cheating tag is justified, on other occasions you have sex with technically married women, so i guess that counts as cheating also. Since MC is Single at the Start of the Game, none of them cheats on you. (as of Build Ch3 Upd3)

Damn - I think this can actually fit into the tag section

Thanks for the clarification. I'm downloading the game now

 

[selberdreher]

Damn - I think this can actually fit into the tag section

Thanks for the clarification. I'm downloading the game now

Enjoy!

 

[gkdlalstnek]

I'm looking forward to MINA, Hana, and Felicia's future event. I hope there will be more sex events with Mina.

 

[Garen]

Interesting, my Edwin has the Chameleon perk too, how different the stats can be! It is quite clear why you have rather low stats with esp. Rosi and high Toughness, considering your whopping Kath score, when you are not even on her side.
My current score with Kath is 17/9, I too try to keep some goodwill from her to be on the safe side, but not too much. Scores with August and Chuck are both 8, trusted by Chuck and untrusted by August (but with the partial trust points you can gain)

Same here. I have Kath at 19/10. I don't trust her path and feel like we might get into some hardcore S&M stuff if we're too affectionate with her.

Haven't played the update completely yet. I've been slowly enjoying the Mina scene the past week.
[Chameleon] Tough/Killian Bro at 29/35, Mina 30/1/5, Hana 37/0, Rosalind 32/8, Veronica 18/13, Felicia 32/2.

 

[Turret]

Same here. I have Kath at 19/10. I don't trust her path and feel like we might get into some hardcore S&M stuff if we're too affectionate with her.

Haven't played the update completely yet. I've been slowly enjoying the Mina scene the past week.
[Chameleon] Tough/Killian Bro at 29/35, Mina 30/1/5, Hana 37/0, Rosalind 32/8, Veronica 18/13, Felicia 32/2.

I see it similar to you, that getting too cosy with Kath will have repercutions, even if we do not side with her.. You can see it clearly in your Toughness score. with 29 you are only 1-2 points away from losing nearly all compassionate event choices and gaining really hardcore ones.
By the way, how did you get Hana´s Anger down to zero? In the beginning I could get it down to zero too, but since the 3/3 update, I do not get it lower than two. So I am really interested how you did that.

 

[selberdreher]

Same here. I have Kath at 19/10. I don't trust her path and feel like we might get into some hardcore S&M stuff if we're too affectionate with her.
Haven't played the update completely yet. I've been slowly enjoying the Mina scene the past week.
[Chameleon] Tough/Killian Bro at 29/35, Mina 30/1/5, Hana 37/0, Rosalind 32/8, Veronica 18/13, Felicia 32/2.

Ah, we have a connoisseur here, savouring the menue as slowly as possible .
But alas, all good things must end, after the Mina scene and a bathtub interlude, a phone call sadly concludes the current build.
Anyway those are some impressive numbers you were able to pull, is it true, you brought down Hanas Anger to zero? Or is it a transcription error? *Edit: Turret was faster
Yes, Kathleens Path is dangerous for several reasons, the most prominent would be in my opinion, that she seems to be the main source of corruption for Edwin (at least at the moment), negatively impacting his relation to the Carnations and Hana. If she manages to fully uncover the sadistic vein in Edwin, which she already tickled, i fear for the wellbeing of his proteges; these would be put in jeopardy not only by their competition at the club, but supposably then also by Edwins own hands.
You know the saying: keep your friends close and your enemies closer; i am keeping Kathleen very close.

 

[Garen]

By the way, how did you get Hana´s Anger down to zero? In the beginning I could get it down to zero too, but since the 3/3 update, I do not get it lower than two. So I am really interested how you did that.

Ah, we have a connoisseur here, savouring the menue as slowly as possible .
But alas, all good things must end, after the Mina scene and a bathtub interlude, a phone call sadly concludes the current build.
Anyway those are some impressive numbers you were able to pull, is it true, you brought down Hanas Anger to zero? Or is it a transcription error? *Edit: Turret was faster

I've been playing this from update to update so I honestly don't know. I do have the mod but I don't remember any [Select All choices] code fuckery at any point. I've been toying with the idea of a clean start because I ran wild with the Toughness choices back when I first played the game so I'll notify you guys on Hana based on how it goes in my new canon run.

Did you guys actively try to get on Hana's good side the entire time?
Hana and Rosalind are my main girls (with a side-goal of turning Mina as bi as possible) so all my choices are centered around them, like choosing to accept Felicia's money to pay for Rosalind's debt.

 

[Turret]

I've been playing this from update to update so I honestly don't know. I do have the mod but I don't remember any [Select All choices] code fuckery at any point. I've been toying with the idea of a clean start because I ran wild with the Toughness choices back when I first played the game so I'll notify you guys on Hana based on how it goes in my new canon run.

Did you guys actively try to get on Hana's good side the entire time?
Hana and Rosalind are my main girls (with a side-goal of turning Mina as bi as possible) so all my choices are centered around them, like choosing to accept Felicia's money to pay for Rosalind's debt.

Thank you in advance for the info about your new main playthrough and good to know!
I cannot answer for selberdreher, who is more on a Mina run according to his posts, but in my playthrough the main girls are Hana, Felicia and to a certain extend Rosi. So I tried to actively get into Hana´s and Feli´s good graces. I also made mostly nice choices with Mina, Rosi and Veronica too, but as mentioned in an earlier post, as a "plan B" option I try to raise Rosi´s (not as much) and Vera´s libido scores to have fallback options.
In Mina´s case I have a save without much of her Bi-curiousity score and one with as high as I could get to see later how that plays out.

 

[dolfe67]

Hana at 0 anger? rookie number

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[selberdreher]

Did you guys actively try to get on Hana's good side the entire time?

Yes, i try to, but good Hana choices collide with Kathleens and Ians, and keeping it friendly after Edwins birthday party cuts you off of another four relationship points. That is why i only got 20/3 with her. However i am not unhappy with the situation and i am sure i can gain further ground with Hana in future updates.

Hana and Rosalind are my main girls (with a side-goal of turning Mina as bi as possible) so all my choices are centered around them, like choosing to accept Felicia's money to pay for Rosalind's debt.

Regarding my shockingly low 6/10 Rosie Score, it is -again- story time:

Back in my youthful days i was a member of a club named DLRG (this name translates to english as "German Life Saving Society"), its central purpose is to provide help to drowning people as a first responder and to assist professional rescue services on water based (Sea, Lakes and Swimming Pools) accidents.
So the thing is, drowning people often are understandably panicking, thus endangering and hampering the rescue process, and in worst case this can lead to the death of both the accident victim and the helper.
So the rescuer is allowed to make them ...comply, including stuff like dislocating joints, breaking an arm or choking them to unconsciousness. Literally "the ends justifies the means".

I took a similar approach with Rosie, making her docile and following my lead, she doesnt need to like me to profit from my help. It doesnt look like it, but i am indeed fond of her, and i plan to crawl back out of the cellar relationship wise. I do also believe, that this harsh approach hardens her resilience against the trials she is facing, and making a deal elevates her out of a dependent and receiving role, because she gets something for giving something. Edwins help is not charity, but a commodity she earned.

The same stands true with Felicias Sugar-Mama Date: i was tempted to do it for free, because it is obviously nicer and helps her with her confidence, and i really like her as a person, but opted against it. Experiencing the power she can wield with her money, being able to reverse the role she was used to her whole life, may also gain her some confidence.
Not to forget, with his own funds at his disposal, without having to ask someone for it, Edwin can also act faster and more freely if the necessity arises.

 

[ename144]

I see it similar to you, that getting too cosy with Kath will have repercutions, even if we do not side with her.. You can see it clearly in your Toughness score. with 29 you are only 1-2 points away from losing nearly all compassionate event choices and gaining really hardcore ones.
By the way, how did you get Hana´s Anger down to zero? In the beginning I could get it down to zero too, but since the 3/3 update, I do not get it lower than two. So I am really interested how you did that.

Hmmm, let's see. On my canon run, my stats are as follows:

• Mina - Acting Partner: Affection 26, Killian Romance 2, Bi-curious 0
• Hana - Friends: Affection Maxed [40, I think], Anger -1
• Rosalind - Carnation: Affection 9, Libido 1
• Veronica - Carnation: Affection 37, Horniness 13
• Felicia - Carnation: Affection 5, Self-Confidence 2
• Kathleen - Boss: Affection 7, Trust -2
• Chuck - trusted: Friendship 7
• August - untrusted: Friendship 6
• Jacob: Friendship 7
• Warren: Friendship 0
• Samson: Friendship 4
• Killian Bromance: 23
• MC - Tireless/Firestarter/Strongman: Toughness 0

Probably not much of a surprise, except maybe for Felicia poor showing; it's pretty hard to keep her affection up while deliberately avoiding fooling around with her. And I'm still on the fence about whether to scratch Veronica's back or not; I might go back and change that at some point, it really depends on how the MC reads the situation and I'm still not quite sure.

As for Hana's Anger, as near as I can tell it originally started at 0, and making a move on her at the end of Chapter 3 Update 1 reduced it by 1. But Ch3 Update 2 retconned the starting score to 3, and would overwrite the 0 when a save was loaded. But for some reason it wouldn't overwrite a non-zero value, so if you'd already slept with Hana the -1 stood. Then, at the end of Update 2, telling Hana she should become an owner of the club for money raises her anger by 1, bringing it back to 0. But I guess that 0 is far enough along that the game won't overwrite it back to 3, even though AFAIK there's no 'legitimate' way to get it to 0 in the first place.

It's all quite confusing; no wonder she's angry!

The same stands true with Felicias Sugar-Mama Date: i was tempted to do it for free, because it is obviously nicer and helps her with her confidence, and i really like her as a person, but opted against it. Experiencing the power she can wield with her money, being able to reverse the role she was used to her whole life, may also gain her some confidence.
Not to forget, with his own funds at his disposal, without having to ask someone for it, Edwin can also act faster and more freely if the necessity arises.

I fear this would have the opposite effect, convincing Felicia that her worth comes only from her looks and her access to money. I expect there will be ways to encourage her even so so I don't think you *need* to do it for free to help her, but I do think it will be harder that way.

Felicia doesn't lack for confidence when she's in a 'dominant' position; just look at how she demolishes the hostess of the fancy restaurant if the MC goes on her date in Week 1. What gives Felicia pause is when she can't just pull rank on someone. She really needs to accept that she has intrinsic value beyond the money, status and looks she usually touts, but for whatever reason she is very reluctant to do so.