VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[BrockLanders]

It confirms her wanting a threesome but you might get there if you picked up enough bi-curious point before anyway. The bigger question here is if GF Hana will be down for that?

Absolutely no question. Hana was jamming clams during 'never have I ever', and then later, in bed, she asked Edwin if it turned him on that Mina might hear them. Her reaction affirms either a) she likes that Edwin is being turned on by doing something with her in front of someone they shouldn't, or b) the thought of Mina being seduced by their intertwining is a source of her heightening titillation... and she wanted to gauge Edwin's interest in this fantasy.

Also, I too recognize the softening of their love-making throughout the night during their date... and I just love that this is her reaction after not only getting what she wants, but openly giving Edwin what he needs. She understands that he can have sex anytime but he's not having his needs met. And that's why she knows he's still human in there in spite of Kathleen's machinations.

Fuck this story is sooooo goooood.

 

[camube]

What about Killian banging Victoria though? Will that be an option? Or just about anybody else banging her? I find her character model in the present day significantly more attractive than what she looked like in the past.

Killian doesnt even have sexual attraction towards Victoria (refer to the drinking game event).

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

Hold my beer, I'm about to sound like a pretentious ponce with this.

Personally, I hold the designation of "porn" in high esteem. We're so oversaturated with it nowadays that it's commonplace, but there's a long and interesting history of filmmakers transgressing and pushing boundaries, going against societal convention, to create titillating images that people derided as porn. A movie like In the Realm of the Senses was regarded as porn. It's gratuitous. It's inflammatory, disturbing, and provoking. It has value. Hell, even just two amateurs fucking on camera to make an easy buck, even if they're not intending to, runs contrary to the ways in which various institutions that be have tried to control human beings at large.

... and at the end of the day, my primary goal is to create something I find sexually stimulating. So yeah, I kinda like the word porn.

Plus, having the "we're just a porn game" excuse is a pretty good tool when you want to conveniently deflect criticism.

I respect that you thought it was the part after 'pretentious ponce' that was going to sounds that way

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

What about Killian banging Victoria though? Will that be an option? Or just about anybody else banging her? I find her character model in the present day significantly more attractive than what she looked like in the past.

Nope. Ian treats her more like a mother figure than his own mom.

 

[fictitious]

I mean, I get that some people don't like incest, but... why not make it optional/avoidable. Those that like it, will experience, those that don't, won't.

I can understand if there's just no realistic way to write it into the story, but maybe there's always a chance?

Edit: I mean, it's just good business sense. You would cater to a wider audience.

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

I mean, I get that some people don't like incest, but... why not make it optional/avoidable. Those that like it, will experience, those that don't, won't.

I can understand if there's just no realistic way to write it into the story, but maybe there's always a chance?

Edit: I mean, it's just good business sense. You would cater to a wider audience.

This sounds like something someone who writes incest stories and makes incest game mods would say

 

[Deleted member 313508]

Edit: I mean, it's just good business sense. You would cater to a wider audience.

Or, like any late added kink, it might alienate the current audience. Wouldn't bother me any, but seen it time and time again. The developer pivots to add a requested kink and ends up upsetting many more people than he pleases.

 

[TD1900]

It really isn't about reaching the most people or making the most money. All GIL and I are trying to do is tell a story we like, filled with things we want to portray, that features the kinks we like. Well, most of that last one is me - exhibitionism, prostitution, and filming is decidedly my side of things. We've been very fortunate that our present arrangement of story, themes, and kinks have brought us the level of support that it has.

Incest isn't either of our things, and even making it optional, would detract from the elements of the Victoria-Edwin relationship that I find interesting. It's never going to happen.

 

[BrockLanders]

Incest isn't either of our things, and even making it optional, would detract from the elements of the Victoria-Edwin relationship that I find interesting. It's never going to happen.

Sometimes... you just can't fuck your mom. Writer's prerogative.

 

[Turret]

Sometimes... you just can't fuck your mom. Writer's prerogative.

You really make it difficult to keep the perv pointometer up And I am not even into this mom fetish

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Listening to advice is one thing but when devs try to cater to all of what people want their game usually suffer.
The story should always be the one the developers want to tell and everyone else is just along for the ride. In that I thank GIL3D and TD1900.

 

[Turret]

Listening to advice is one thing but when devs try to cater to all of what people want their game usually suffer.
The story should always be the one the developers want to tell and everyone else is just along for the ride. In that I thank GIL3D and TD1900.

Absolutely! I am a hobby writer and know how important it is to stay true to what you envision your story to be. Yes, taking good advice is important, but likewise not to cater to every whim of others.

 

[fictitious]

Or, like any late added kink, it might alienate the current audience. Wouldn't bother me any, but seen it time and time again. The developer pivots to add a requested kink and ends up upsetting many more people than he pleases.

But why, if it's optional? Why would someone who doesn't want to see incest even choose to go down that route?

I get the story thing from a short story, or book, perspective. In that case, you can really just have the one linear plot.
But a codified game? The game medium gives you the opportunity to branch out, and tell multiple story paths (or just branch off for one or two events).

Victoria/Edwin sex scene could be a special, one-off gated event (e.g. one-night stand or special game/request) that's gated by some conditional code/choices. Sure, it would be more work on the game devs, but would cater to that popular kink.

Incest isn't either of our things, and even making it optional, would detract from the elements of the Victoria-Edwin relationship that I find interesting. It's never going to happen.

Darn. But at least now we know for certain.

 

[Tikki]

Who will the next update be about?

 

[ename144]

But why, if it's optional? Why would someone who doesn't want to see incest even choose to go down that route?

I get the story thing from a short story, or book, perspective. In that case, you can really just have the one linear plot.
But a codified game? The game medium gives you the opportunity to branch out, and tell multiple story paths (or just branch off for one or two events).

Victoria/Edwin sex scene could be a special, one-off gated event (e.g. one-night stand or special game/request) that's gated by some conditional code/choices. Sure, it would be more work on the game devs, but would cater to that popular kink.

Because in order to *be* possible the MC and Victoria would need to be the sort of people who could want to fuck each other, but the game is structured around the notion that they aren't. Victoria is the one who encouraged the MC to outwardly maintain societal norms for his own good. Having her be willing to throw those norms to the wind for a raunchy incest scene would undermine (or worse, overshadow) the choice the MC faces about discarding his mask within the context of the club. Victoria can't be the MC's shoulder angel if she's tempting him to sin, after all. That's Kathleen's job.

On top of that, the devs only have so much time. Any scene they add with Victoria ultimately means either losing a scene with some other lady, or extending the development time. At a certain point even adding high quality material can be a negative if it winds up diluting the plot. I think it's a good thing that the devs for this game have been keeping their eyes on the core story, even if there are a few side paths I'd personally have been interested in exploring.

Darn. But at least now we know for certain.

Just so.

 

[dolfe67]

Not every story needs incest, or every fetish, even optional. Get your kink somewhere else.

 

[starkj]

Not every story needs incest, or every fetish, even optional. Get your kink somewhere else.

Yeah, and there are so many incest games in this site already.

 

[fictitious]

Yeah, and there are so many incest games in this site already.

Problem is... they aren't as good as this one

 

[supersomeone]

anyone got a save at the end of 3-4 on the rose path?

 

[Crepusculum]

It really isn't about reaching the most people or making the most money. All GIL and I are trying to do is tell a story we like, filled with things we want to portray, that features the kinks we like.

TD I HAVE to ask, but if its too exhausting to answer I totally get it - What the hell is your process that your output is this high quality?
There are VERY few games on here that are this engaging writing wise, even though you guys didn't go for an Acting Lessons/Leap of Faith kind of "Deep" plot. Yes, the visuals are spectacular, that's a granted. But the facial expressions, the body language, combined with the really high quality script (I doubt you guys just sit down, type whatever the fuck comes to mind and then use a thesaurus) makes this feel very realistic - How?!