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Bacchus1998

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Pale Carnations its like "the brothers karamazov" of erotic games, we just hope that, unlike Dostoevsky, the developers manage to create an ending worthy of the magnitude of the work.
 
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Ottoeight

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Well yes, I did it again.

While waiting for the incoming update I wrote another game mini-guide.

After my Pale Carnations story timeline scene-by-scene, here you have my

Pale Carnations not-so-side characters: a guide to house girls and patrons. What we know about them till now.

Heavy spoilers, of course. So don't read it unless you completed your gameplay!

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guide has been updated! (ch.4, update 4 at the moment)
 
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ename144

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Well yes, I did it again.

While waiting for the incoming update I wrote another game mini-guide.

After my Pale Carnations story timeline scene-by-scene, here you have my

Pale Carnations not-so-side characters: a guide to house girls and patrons. What we know about them till now.

Heavy spoilers, of course. So don't read it unless you completed your gameplay!
Nice work!

You should add the house girl panorama the devs posted leading up to the Week 2 exhibition. It includes Serena.
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Ottoeight

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Nice work!

You should add the house girl panorama the devs posted leading up to the Week 2 exhibition. It includes Serena.
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Thanks a lot, pal!

Guide has been updated, now.

The story has a few minor inconsistencies, anyway:

- in the prologue, Dalia mentions a present house girl named Kimber. I guess the Authors renamed her Serena.

- Rosalind first calls her husband Rupert, then she calls him Clive.

- Kathleen and Hana talk about a patron called Mr Travis (the music manager), but we never meet him at the Carnations' exhibitions.
 
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mok135

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will there be a similar scene in the game with the participation of current heroines ?
Really doubt it. Devs try to appease vanilla fans as much as possible. All the previous exhibitions scenes are completely centered on the MC, even though it makes zero sense (why would the patrons even be interested in basically watching a slighly perverted theatre play with no input on their part). There were Rosalind's bukkake scene and the scene with Killian and Rosalind, but they are rare exceptions.

The game is still absolutely amazing, but I wanted more from it. The setting gave me certain expectations. And it has yet to deliver on them.
 

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Thanks a lot, pal!

Guide has been updated, now.

The story has a few minor inconsistencies, anyway:

- in the prologue, Dalia mentions a present house girl named Kimber. I guess the Authors renamed her Serena.

- Kathleen and Hana talk about a patron called Mr Travis (the music manager), but we never meet him at the Carnations' exhibitions.
In theory, the club has more members and house girls than the respective 12 or so you see at the exhibitions. The club operates on a tiering system, but I don't believe it ever gets brought up during the story because I figured that kind of minutia isn't so important and is liable to shoot me in the foot. The patrons you see at the exhibitions are the most important members, plus a couple who serve a function like Isaac and Samson.

Anyway, the house girls work outside the club and service men like the music manager.

As to Kimber: she is not forgotten, or maybe she got remembered recently? Without spoiling too much, she's actually relevant in the next update funnily enough.

I beeeelieve the Clive thing got corrected already, but I'll make a note to double check.


Really doubt it. Devs try to appease vanilla fans as much as possible. All the previous exhibitions scenes are completely centered on the MC, even though it makes zero sense (why would the patrons even be interested in basically watching a slighly perverted theatre play with no input on their part). There were Rosalind's bukkake scene and the scene with Killian and Rosalind, but they are rare exceptions.

The game is still absolutely amazing, but I wanted more from it. The setting gave me certain expectations. And it has yet to deliver on them.
Future events will involve patrons in a variety of ways. There is no appeasement underwritting the project. GIL and I are delivering a game that pleases us, at a pacing that appeals to our sensibilities. We've only had two exhibitions, and those rare exceptions you mentioned were in both weeks. If you think week 1 should have featured the carnations triple stuffed with everyone taking a crack at them, I don't know how to explain it any better other than Kathleen is exhibiting them and creating interest for each girl. She's selling delayed gratification for men who have the world at their finger tips. If they just wanted to fuck, they could fuck the whores. As a reader who wants to watch the Carnations get railed by a variety of members, surely you see the appeal of voyeurism.

And unfortunately the development time between exhibitions is excruciatingly long.
 

Ottoeight

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In theory, the club has more members and house girls than the respective 12 or so you see at the exhibitions. The club operates on a tiering system, but I don't believe it ever gets brought up during the story because I figured that kind of minutia isn't so important and is liable to shoot me in the foot. The patrons you see at the exhibitions are the most important members, plus a couple who serve a function like Isaac and Samson.

Anyway, the house girls work outside the club and service men like the music manager.

As to Kimber: she is not forgotten, or maybe she got remembered recently? Without spoiling too much, she's actually relevant in the next update funnily enough.

I beeeelieve the Clive thing got corrected already, but I'll make a note to double check.
Yep, I remember Andrea telling our beloved tenor that she only works as an in-house girl, at the moment. :)

I will update both guides after the update comes out, of course :D :D

Thank you for your answers.
 
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mok135

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In theory, the club has more members and house girls than the respective 12 or so you see at the exhibitions. The club operates on a tiering system, but I don't believe it ever gets brought up during the story because I figured that kind of minutia isn't so important and is liable to shoot me in the foot. The patrons you see at the exhibitions are the most important members, plus a couple who serve a function like Isaac and Samson.

Anyway, the house girls work outside the club and service men like the music manager.

As to Kimber: she is not forgotten, or maybe she got remembered recently? Without spoiling too much, she's actually relevant in the next update funnily enough.

I beeeelieve the Clive thing got corrected already, but I'll make a note to double check.




Future events will involve patrons in a variety of ways. There is no appeasement underwritting the project. GIL and I are delivering a game that pleases us, at a pacing that appeals to our sensibilities. We've only had two exhibitions, and those rare exceptions you mentioned were in both weeks. If you think week 1 should have featured the carnations triple stuffed with everyone taking a crack at them, I don't know how to explain it any better other than Kathleen is exhibiting them and creating interest for each girl. She's selling delayed gratification for men who have the world at their finger tips. If they just wanted to fuck, they could fuck the whores. As a reader who wants to watch the Carnations get railed by a variety of members, surely you see the appeal of voyeurism.

And unfortunately the development time between exhibitions is excruciatingly long.
I see. That's reassuring. I am not asking to rush the progression of exhibitions - I am all for the slow burn and quality of story. I agree that it wouldn't make any sense to throw them into orgies, gangbangs, etc at this point. It is just that I am somewhat worried that those scenes won't make it into the game at all. The game has been in development for a long time after all. I have no idea when it is going to end. Maybe there is 1-2 exhibitions left and it is already over.
 

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Well, the rich guys probably get off from the psychological torture and humilliation of the Carnations more than actually fucking them. Club Carnations is a high end brothel as well, and the ugly bastards frequently stuff the regular girls. The bukkake scene encapsulates this, as the old men aren't actually fucking the 3 girls, but getting off to the fact that they're getting thoroughly humiliated, and how Kat is basically "breaking them in" from regular girls into whores.

Club Carnations is actualy pretty vanilla compared to the fucked up shit rich guys IRL get off to. I wanted to make a joke about "Kathleen Island", but that just made me realized that Kat and August are saints compared to most billionares that frequent such establishments.
 

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Well, the rich guys probably get off from the psychological torture and humilliation of the Carnations more than actually fucking them. Club Carnations is a high end brothel as well, and the ugly bastards frequently stuff the regular girls. The bukkake scene encapsulates this, as the old men aren't actually fucking the 3 girls, but getting off to the fact that they're getting thoroughly humiliated, and how Kat is basically "breaking them in" from regular girls into whores.

Club Carnations is actualy pretty vanilla compared to the fucked up shit rich guys IRL get off to. I wanted to make a joke about "Kathleen Island", but that just made me realized that Kat and August are saints compared to most billionares that frequent such establishments.
I'd venture this is a reasonable explanation, but in the context of this game likely untrue true. Are you really telling me you think there'd be an equal audience reaction here to exhibitions of group orgies with carnations followed by hotel outcalls with select clientele, compared to "Eat these bugs" or "now get your ass paddled" or "now we're gonna tase you"?

With the current trajectory, the club feels less like a prostitution ring and more like either a strict bdsm club, or a human trafficking ring. Yes, the first is implicit in the third, but the focus here is more on subjugation than sex, when typically subjugation would be but a tool for sex. Here it's often the end goal.
 
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