tuShua

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Well it's certainly good to know that of the 3 sources of your income I chose to be with the ones who get screwed instead. Triple A experience: Indie edition where I buy a game only to find out that I can't play it because it's so loaded with bloatware and needs separate launchers and kernel level access that I just delete it and pirate it. This will be the same as there is no point in keeping 2 versions of the same game. I don't regret purchasing it as it's my way of supporting you, but I'm rejoining the pirate ranks.
I mean...we are getting stuff for free. So it's understandable that we get things last and the ones who actually made the effort to pay be first. They get what they pay for. It's honestly not that bad to wait. Better than getting nothing at all. Don't trash or underestimate the kindness of people just because things don't go your way, or you don't get what you want. Because you might end up screwing it up for the rest of us. Breathe, empty your mind and be patient.
 

Invictus7

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How are you being screwed?
You just have to wait.

The versions that go through the tiers (people who are regularly paying monthlt to support us), have to go through numerous hotfixes which our supporters find. Steam is a one time payment and the version that lands on Steam is more polished.

You get the exact same content... Less buggy.
Yep. Hardly screwing over anyone lol a one month wait is hardly the end of the world though I would say that it would probably be better if it was 3 weeks rather than the full month but thats just my opinion
 

SheHump

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You know what isn't hard?
TO NOT GIVE ANY DEADLINES.
IF THE DEV CAN'T EVEN KEEP HIS OWN DEADLINE WHAT KIND OF IMAGE DOES THAT PASS? True is this industry is full of scammers who make a good game and then just milk their audience on and on (ex: Lilith's throne) to the point where people distrust devs that give themselves Their own deadline and than can't even follow it.
I'm a one time paying customer. Am I disappointed that I have to wait a month? :HideThePain:

Yeah, kinda. However, I do understand that the devs have bills to pay & I'm further back in the line. :WeSmart:

I've enjoyed the game so far & I don't see any grifting going on. :4Head: You're free to play other games & ignore this one. :BootyTime:

I have a massive backlog of games to get through. I'm dividing my time between Dustland Delivery, Funbag Fantasy & Dredge. I've got Much Bigger Concerns in life than a delayed video game. :FacePalm:
 

Hedasd

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Well it's certainly good to know that of the 3 sources of your income I chose to be with the ones who get screwed instead. Triple A experience: Indie edition where I buy a game only to find out that I can't play it because it's so loaded with bloatware and needs separate launchers and kernel level access that I just delete it and pirate it. This will be the same as there is no point in keeping 2 versions of the same game. I don't regret purchasing it as it's my way of supporting you, but I'm rejoining the pirate ranks.
So basically, I get to pay on Steam for the same features as a free tier. Awesome.
I love seeing overly entitled people being overly dramatic and wrong even for the most niche things like porn games.
 

Hedasd

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Its really crazy how I bought the game on Steam and I'm still having to download the latest update from this site, otherwise I have to wait a full month. Very backwards thinking.
You can completely ignore this website and existence of two other websites where this game is hosted and play a month later and nothing would change in your life, you may even whine a little less and be happier.
 

Ruben2003

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You can completely ignore this website and existence of two other websites where this game is hosted and play a month later and nothing would change in your life, you may even whine a little less and be happier.
Daam bro, you being payed to suck up the dev dick? You ain't getting any privileges for it lil bro. Also kinda crazy that the guy said it's dumb paying for a game on steam and having said newer version of the game coming delayed on steam by a month, after all if he pays on steam he is a customer and has every right to complain.
 

Hedasd

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Daam bro, you being payed to suck up the dev dick? You ain't getting any privileges for it lil bro. Also kinda crazy that the guy said it's dumb paying for a game on steam and having said newer version of the game coming delayed on steam by a month, after all if he pays on steam he is a customer and has every right to complain.
I just like pointing out the stupidity of some entitled manchildren in these forums from time to time. I bought it on Steam too, but Im not going to cry and write stupid things about the game when people who pay a certain amount of money monthly through Patreon and Subscribestar getting it a bit early than me.
 
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Ruben2003

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I just like pointing out the stupidity of some entitled manchildren in these forums from time to time. I bought it on Steam too, but Im not going to cry and write stupid things about the game when people who pay a certain amount of money monthly through Patreon and Subscribestar getting it a bit early than me.
Doesn't matter he payed for the full game on steam he didn't pay less for it for the ability to wait an entire month before he gets the newer update. Just the fact that he is actually gonna have to come here to a PIRACY SITE to get the newest version of the game and he will probably get it faster than when it will be released on steam debunks your entire argument.
 

lostraven

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Doesn't matter he payed for the full game on steam he didn't pay less for it for the ability to wait an entire month before he gets the newer update. Just the fact that he is actually gonna have to come here to a PIRACY SITE to get the newest version of the game and he will probably get it faster than when it will be released on steam debunks your entire argument.
Oh no, the people paying monthly have got the update before the people who paid one time, and those people are now doing all the playtesting so the experience will be more polished when they finally get it.

Ahhhh... How wronged they've been.

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Ruben2003

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Oh no, the people paying monthly have got the update before the people who paid one time, and those people are now doing all the playtesting so the experience will be more polished when they finally get it.

Ahhhh... How wronged they've been.

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You could easily make another method to give the Patreon monthly patrons a gift instead of actively shooting your own foot on steam I mean why would a steam user even buy your game there if he can just come here and get the game for free and on top of that get the newest version that hasn't even released there? That's just bad management on your part bro. Also call me crazy but when did we go from "customer is always right" to customer will buy it and if he doesn't like he won't complain about it?
 
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malcolmalbie

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I mean why would a steam user even buy your game there if he can just come here and get the game for free and on top of that get the newest version that hasn't even released there?
Why buy games at all if you can pirate them for free? Why buy goods at all if you can steal them for free?
Consider that the Patreon version is an early release, one filled with bugs that'd need to be ironed out. If you were to push this to Steam, people will leave negative reviews. Why wouldn't you release a more polished experience there? Are you no better than a AAA dev who has to release day 1 patches to fix game-breaking bugs that should have been caught by QA?

Also call me crazy but when did we go from "customer is always right" to customer will buy it and if he doesn't like he won't complain about it?
No one is denying the customer their right to complain about the product. The developer wishes the customer to get a product that suits their desires and wishes for their experience to not be a bad one. Is that not caring for the customer?
 

LonerPrime

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I mean why would a steam user even buy your game there if he can just come here and get the game for free and on top of that get the newest version that hasn't even released there?
You do realize, devs generally don't account for piracy when it comes to tailoring benefits for their supporters, right? Or do you think they leak their own games in advance on purpose for some reason?

Also, in a perfect world, gentleman piracy would be the best thing when it comes to promoting a game IF it happened after STEAM/ITCH users got their release as well. But we don't live in perfect world. In-fact, most of the time, it's the one of the subscribestar/patreon supporters who just waltz in, throw money for a month and leak the game and continue to rinse and repeat with each cycle. I'm sure if the dev knew exactly who these leakers were, they'd refuse their money. But unfortunately, no one comes in with that kind of honesty stamped to their heads. The only thing they can do is to systematically release the game from the most expensive tier to the most affordable, so as to minimize the chance of a leak overtime.

In the end, if you choose to support a dev on STEAM/ITCH/JAST etc. by paying one time in advance for a WIP game, you need to make peace with the fact that the trade off is to wait. Early access is the biggest and most attractive benefit loyal supporters get to enjoy for their continuous backing of a project far beyond the price tag of a single copy.

Piracy is not part of the equation here at all and if you think that somehow taking your sale away from the dev is justified as you could just enjoy the game as a pirate, do realize that a hard working dev is sustained by monetary support. If it dwindles down, it won't be long before the "Abandoned" tag will adorn the pirate thread as well.
 
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