Patreon Account Selling Pirated Games - Developers Beware

[DownTheDrain]

What has your job got to do with this thread? Did I mention jobs in any of my posts? I am trying to keep my posts on the subject of the thread. You tell what jobs and music has to do with this thread. Are you employed by patreon? Did you just turn up at the first office you saw and decide to sit in front of a computer for x number of hours and days?
I also work and do not pay for the tools I use, but I am employed to fabricate things. I do not build things unless they are ordered buy the customer first. But that has nothing to do with this thread.

I'm having a really hard time trying to make sense of your reply and I already clarified my point here:

I was trying to make the point that a lot of jobs only require time and effort and you still get paid without having to purchase the tools to do them. Of course you don't own the product, hence the paycheck.
I could change my example to various kinds of freelance work that you could do with free tools if you really want to argue details but I don't see how that's particularly relevant here.

Whether you're employed or freelancing, the fact that your tools are free does not diminish the value of your work (or your time).

 

[おい！]

I'm having a really hard time trying to make sense of your reply and I already clarified my point here:



Whether you're employed or freelancing, the fact that your tools are free does not diminish the value of your work (or your time).

Well if you had read my whole post in the first place

Not all musicians pay for copyrighted material

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but still make money on it and sometimes get caught out.

You can correct me if I am wrong, Honey Select can be downloaded for free, Ren'Py is available for free. So someone if they want to can create a game for free and share it on patreon. The only thing it has cost them is time.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Miagamehouse is doing anything morally right or that all devs do not put any effort in to their games. I am just pointing out how some devs can provide games for patreon without any original content except for Storyline and many also have not so original stories such as shagging mom/sister/sisters/daughter/aunt etc......

Instead of just the 3 sentences you quoted you would have seen that I had already addressed your response there

When I work an office job I don't have to pay for the office or any of the equipment in it either. All it costs me is time and effort.
By your logic a lot of us wouldn't deserve a paycheck.

Maybe you should read the whole post and quote that in future, instead of picking out a piece for an off topic reply.

 

[RomanHume]

Just want to say thanks again to all the great folks at F95Zone who stepped up and brought this to the attention to the developers of these games, like myself. This really is a great community and our project would not have grown as fast as it did without this fine group of people.

As it happens, I've been stuck in the airport for the last couple of hours waiting on a connecting flight. In the meantime, I've been entertaining myself by flaming these dickheads patreon page with F95's address encouraging people to steal my game for free instead of paying those chuckle-fucks. They've deleted about half the comments I've posted in there but I've been amusing myself by going back and reposting. (Guess the dumb fucks don't know they can block me if they want to).

 

[DownTheDrain]

Maybe you should read the whole post and quote that in future, instead of picking out a piece for an off topic answer.

I read your whole post but I quoted "just the 3 sentences" because those 3 sentences were exactly what I was addressing.
I wasn't arguing about copyright claims in the music industry, the morality of selling other people's work or how much original content goes into the average patreon title, so why would I quote your entire post?

Needless to say that I don't see any response to my point in there and I very much disagree that my answer was off topic but this back and forth between us is indeed getting off topic now.

 

[DarthSeduction]

Well if you had read my whole post in the first place

Instead of just the 3 sentences you quoted you would have seen that I had already addressed your response there

Maybe you should read the whole post and quote that in future, instead of picking out a piece for an off topic reply.

Dude, I don't even understand the point you're tying to make. What HS devs are doing and what this person is doing are two different things.

You seem to understand that HS Devs are asking to be paid for the work they do, not for the assets, so why do you think that this is a valid place for this discussion?

The problem with the patreon in op is that it is not doing the work, but getting paid. It is actually taking money from people that should rightly go to the developers.

What right does Illusion have to Harem Hotel? None.They didn't put in the work to make it. Did their work make it possible? Yes, but if someone hadn't done the work to invent the wheel we wouldn't be here. Illusion might have a legal claim, but they don't have he moral one. The patreon has neither.

 

[RomanHume]

Can someone explain to me the difference between what the person on patreon is doing, compared to any dev that uses Honey Select for example as a base for their game. After all Honey Select is owned by Illusion Company and FAKKU paid for the license to release Unlimited. But devs will release Honey Select based games on patreon and take money for something that is not originally their work.

For me I don't think the argument is about originality. If a new Dev popped up tomorrow, used the formula we created for our game, and swapped a bunch of assets and created something different but derivative, I don't think I'd care.

What cheeses me off about this asshole is that they are doing absolutely zero work for their revenue. They say they're "buying" the games up as they come out but every F95er can look at their tags and links and know they aren't. I agree to let F95 post pirated copies of my games without complaint because we gain exposure. F95 is performing a service for us that is helping our project grow.

This asshole is doing absolutely nothing for the creators of these games and is basically just getting a free ride for our work.

To me personally that is the difference in your question, one is derivative work, but it is still work, while the other is some dick face selling water from the community well.

 

[Silk_Ari]

Wow how douchy, does anyone know if they actually modify the contents of the games? I.E. Replace the Patreon links of the developers? OR do they just list the games and offer them for a price? Wow this is so bizarre. Why would anyone pay for a listing of free games? This is mind boggling.

 

[おい！]

Dude, I don't even understand the point you're tying to make. What HS devs are doing and what this person is doing are two different things.

You seem to understand that HS Devs are asking to be paid for the work they do, not for the assets, so why do you think that this is a valid place for this discussion?

The problem with the patreon in op is that it is not doing the work, but getting paid. It is actually taking money from people that should rightly go to the developers.

What right does Illusion have to Harem Hotel? None.They didn't put in the work to make it. Did their work make it possible? Yes, but if someone hadn't done the work to invent the wheel we wouldn't be here. Illusion might have a legal claim, but they don't have he moral one. The patreon has neither.

Right correct me if I am wrong, devs expect to get paid for their time? That op in patreon expects to get paid for their time. Yes the devs have taken more time to produce their games, but that op in patreon has also taken time to set up their patreon site, download and upload the games, that they want money for. Is that op in patreon morally right? NO. But from what I have seen from patreon rules they have done nothing illegal, the only difference I can see is unlike this site that op in patreon wants to charge money for sharing other peoples games.

 

[Bloo]

@DarthSeduction @plug @DownTheDrain @RomanHume and anyone else talking about Honey Select.

This really isn't the place to talk about whether you can or can't use HS renders for commercial use.
You can either create a thread in the

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section or ask here

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since FAKKU owns the rights to the localization.

Thank you for understanding.

 

[DownTheDrain]

Wow how douchy, does anyone know if they actually modify the contents of the games? I.E. Replace the Patreon links of the developers? OR do they just list the games and offer them for a price? Wow this is so bizarre. Why would anyone pay for a listing of free games? This is mind boggling.

I seriously doubt they're even capable of modifying games, regardless of the content or engine.
Besides, that would require some amount of work and they can't even be bothered to provide their own links.

This really isn't the place to talk about whether you can or can't use HS renders for commercial use.

Noted, my bad.

 

[gamersglory]

@DarthSeduction Thanks for pointing this out got DM'ed on Discord about it earlier and let all the dev's I know whos games were on there. Piracy for profit is way beyond my limits. We are already working on it.

 

[Silk_Ari]

Right correct me if I am wrong, devs expect to get paid for their time? That op in patreon expects to get paid for their time. Yes the devs have taken more time to produce their games, but that op in patreon has also taken time to set up their patreon site...

I think the major gripe is in the WAY they formulate the premise for their "content". As if they spend money to buy games and then resell them, kinda like they paid for a licence to resell them...

I'm wondering if they actually mod the games and remove patreon links of devs and stuff which would really be disgusting...

 

[RomanHume]

@DarthSeduction @plug @DownTheDrain @RomanHume and anyone else talking about Honey Select.

This really isn't the place to talk about whether you can or can't use HS renders for commercial use.
You can either create a thread in the

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section or ask here

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since FAKKU owns the rights to the localization.

Thank you for understanding.

My apologies, I know nothing about HS or FAKKU or any of that and wasn't commenting on the use of HS or anything. I was only attempting to respond to the original question of why as a developer I felt the creation of derivative works was different than what this new Patreon page was doing. Sorry if my response seemed off topic. Completely unintentional. Cheers mate.

 

[Domiek]

Not all musicians pay for copyrighted material

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but still make money on it and sometimes get caught out.

You can correct me if I am wrong, Honey Select can be downloaded for free, Ren'Py is available for free. So someone if they want to can create a game for free and share it on patreon. The only thing it has cost them is time.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Miagamehouse is doing anything morally right or that all devs do not put any effort in to their games. I am just pointing out how some devs can provide games for patreon without any original content except for Storyline and many also have not so original stories such as shagging mom/sister/sisters/daughter/aunt etc......

I'm really confused by your response. The cost (or not) of acquiring assets or tools is entirely irrelevant to this discussion. Pointing out that sometimes musicians illegally use copyrighted material shows that you may have not entirely understood the point of my comment.

 

[Runey]

Right correct me if I am wrong, devs expect to get paid for their time? That op in patreon expects to get paid for their time. Yes the devs have taken more time to produce their games, but that op in patreon has also taken time to set up their patreon site, download and upload the games, that they want money for. Is that op in patreon morally right? NO. But from what I have seen from patreon rules they have done nothing illegal, the only difference I can see is unlike this site that op in patreon wants to charge money for sharing other peoples games.

I don't know about that. It's more about the content itself and the originality of it. Devs work 10s of thousands of hours to make a game, while this guy copy/pastes a damn download link and people pay him for it. I could also spend an hour cooking myself dinner, but should I be paid for that hour of "work"? I wouldn't be doing much different from this guy. He's taking my frozen pizza (game) and then cooking it (selling it). Hell, even that metaphor is better than what he's doing. He wouldn't even be cooking the pizza before he sold it.

Imagine if I went into walmart, stole a pizza, and sold each slice right in front of the pizza aisle. $2 a slice would make it pretty profitable. I could make a living off of that. These hypothetical pizza guys wouldn't be happy their pizza was stolen, and Walmart shouldn't allow pizza to be stolen and sold right inside their store. Do you think he should be paid for the time it took to come up with that idea and the gas he spent to steal that pizza?

The difference between him and sites like f95 is simple. F95 is the guy going "HEY! LOOK AT THIS! WANNA PLAY?", that Patreon is the guy saying "Psst, hey... Heard you liked games... $1 and I'll hook you up fam. Home grown organic games right here bud."

 

[Silk_Ari]

Imagine if I went into walmart, stole a pizza, and sold each slice right in front of the pizza aisle. $2 a slice would make it pretty profitable. I could make a living off of that. These hypothetical pizza guys wouldn't be happy their pizza was stolen, and Walmart shouldn't allow pizza to be stolen and sold right inside their store. Do you think he should be paid for the time it took to come up with that idea and the gas he spent to steal that pizza?

NO, no..it's much worse than that, it's imagine I went to a guy;s house and took his pizza he gave me for free, expecting me to maybe one day give him a dollar for it...if I like it... but then instead I go sell it to people for 2 bucks a slice while giving nothing back to the guy who gave me the pizza.

THIS is more like it.

 

[Silk_Ari]

Also this argument for F95Zone being like this guy is complete bullshit as you can sign up, browse, download,and comment FREE OF CHARGE HERE...while you explicitly need to pay for any of that on that dick's Patreon.

 

[おい！]

I think the major gripe is in the WAY they formulate the premise for their "content". As if they spend money to buy games and then resell them, kinda like they paid for a licence to resell them...

I'm wondering if they actually mod the games and remove patreon links of devs and stuff which would really be disgusting...

I understand that and that also people are upset, the op of this thread has not proven that Miagamehouse did not pay for the games originally through patreon. As far as I know if you buy something you have the right to sell it.

 

[Runey]

NO, no..it's much worse than that, it's imagine I went to a guy;s house and took his pizza he gave me for free, expecting me to maybe one day give him a dollar for it...if I like it... but then instead I go sell it to people for 2 bucks a slice while giving nothing back to the guy who gave me the pizza.

THIS is more like it.

That would definitely be a better metaphor actually. We're giving these games out for free, expecting nobody, but hoping somebody, will throw us a buck or two for our services. Thankfully a ton of people are very generous.

This guy claims he "buys" our games, making people think he pledges to us first, then redistributes the game for only $1. So if we're to take his words at face value, Patreon could see him as pirating games, which I'm sure they wouldn't allow someone to pirate a Triple A game and sell it for $1 on Patreon. Whether or not they'll look into it deeper to see what games he's pirating specifically, who knows.

 

[Felicityskye]

When I linked her patreon page in my discord, one of the members has apparently found out she sells pinups as well. Would be a shame if someone bought all her pinups and sold them for $1

Wouldn't surprise me if whoever is running this Miagamehouse, stole the "identity" of that pinup girl to be the face of Miagamehouse to sucker in gullible people. Seeing how clearly dishonest they are.