Patreon alternatives due to censorship

[Deleted member 2694590]

Seeing how many people use Patreon is beyond me. Why use and support a platform that has no respect for artists and their art? For example they really hate anime, they keep coming up with bs to censor and attack artists who dab in anime art. You would have to be a cuk to be supporting a platform even after being censored, in that case I wouldn't support artists who have no artistic integrity or a backbone. Many of you still use that greedy woke garbage

Post update 1: I know of LibraPay, still no excuse for not finding alternatives when it doesn't take much to find alternatives. Devs might also be making excuses for using Patreon because they only care about money in that case they don't deserve shit. I know this topic will get some developers butthurt but screw them. Its retarded and illlogical to defend woke PC companies, its like supporting your enemies.

Post update 2: Some of the comments went a bit off topic about pertaining to adult games but even adult anime art has also been targeted by Patreon who come up with bs excuses. A company can make up rules and lie just to fulfill whatever needs it has to look out for their best interest not yours.

PS. Domiek You sure are naive defending that company, I wouldn't be surprised if you're one of those PC sjw degenerates. Its not the consumers fault that people (devs/studios/companies) treat games and art as a product, make shallow creations and expect money for it. People hate companies like EA for a good reason.

 

[Domiek]

I too like to identify problems without offering solutions.

 

[おい！]

Seeing how many people use Patreon is beyond. Why use and support a platform that has no respect for artists and their art? For example they really hate anime, they keep coming up with bs to censor and attack artists who dab in anime art. You would have to be a cuk to be supporting a platform even after being censored, in that case I wouldn't support artists who have no artistic integrity or a backbone. Many of you still use that greedy woke garbage

Post update 1: I know of LibraPay, still no excuse for not finding alternatives when it doesnt take much to find alternatives. Devs might also be making excuses for using Patreon because they only care about money in that case they don't deserve shit. I know this topic will get some developers butthurt but screw them. Its retarded and illlogical to defend woke PC companies, its like supporting your enemies.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

The Patreon guidelines on adult content, in full:

Offensive and graphic creations:
We understand that artists sometimes have to push boundaries to create thought provoking art so we don't review offensive and graphic creations with strict black and white guidelines, instead we review them in the context of the whole creator page.
However, we have zero tolerance when it comes to the glorification of sexual violence which includes bestiality, rape, and child exploitation (i.e., sexualized depiction of minors). This is true for illustrated, animated, or any other type of creations. Patreon reserves the right to review and remove accounts that may violate this guideline.

We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish creations, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish creations that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex.

We understand that some topics on this list such as incest or rape are a little bit more complicated because these situations are, unfortunately, part of real life. As a result, when reviewing these types of creations, the Trust and Safety team will take into consideration context including personal, historical or educational narrative. For example, survivor stories or fiction such as Game of Thrones or Lolita are allowed on Patreon.
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So, what does that cover?
1. Rape--well, anything where it's fairly obviously sexual assault
2. Bestiality--animals can't consent
3. CP(any sex with minors, or to be really permissive/stretch things, obviously prepubescent children)
4. Incest(because implied nonconsensual or questionable consent, I guess)
5. Necrophilia--nonconsensual
6. Mind control fetish would be nonconsensual as well

The lack of consent or apparent lack of consent or capacity to consent is the key here. Now, I'm a fan of mind control games, and believe that digital art depictions of something which doesn't exist in real life are basically harmless. Nobody's going to be inspired to try to "mind control" people in real life. Similarly, I think most depictions of incest in games are about as far from realistic as possible, and that, for the most part, consensual relationships are depicted, as opposed to relationships based upon force, coercion, or blackmail(though games with those do admittedly exist).
To me, the biggest, most obvious "red flags" that Patreon is looking out for are any sexual depictions of children(absolute death for a commercial site) and/or any depictions of nonconsensual sexual activity.

I guess my point is, it's perfectly reasonable to quibble with the Patreon restrictions, but at the same time those guidelines are pretty understandable and defensible from a business standpoint. "Why can't I publish my loli incest mind control game on Patreon?" seems like a self-answering question.

 

[Domiek]

I know of LibraPay, still no excuse for not finding alternatives when it doesnt take much to find alternatives.

34k users since they launched 5 years ago. Patreon has 3 million active monthly users. No one is using LibraPay. Just like the other "alternatives", I don't know of a single NSFW developer who is earning a living wage on any of them. Those platforms simply don't have enough users.

Devs might also be making excuses for using Patreon because they only care about money in that case they don't deserve shit.

This here tells me that you are either really young or have absolutely no grasp on responsible adult life. Passion for art or making games doesn't magically put food in our bellies and pay our living bills. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but it's really difficult to develop a game while living under a bridge. I don't know a single dev who likes or defends Patreon. There just isn't a viable alternative available. Do you actually think people enjoy putting in extra work to make unofficial patches and other loopholes to try and get around Patreon's guidelines?

I know this topic will get some developers butthurt but screw them. Its retarded and illlogical to defend woke PC companies, its like supporting your enemies.

You're butthurt that Patreon doesn't allow depictions of minors. We both know that even though she has the face, body, personality and mental capacity of a 7 year old, she's actually a 9,000 year old demon which makes it very legal and very cool.



Be mad at Patreon all you want. I don't understand why you're insulting everyone else.

 

[おい！]

Passion for art or making games doesn't magically put food in our bellies and pay our living bills.

It would do if you made your game better.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but it's really difficult to develop a game while living under a bridge.

Yes you do seem to lack room to move around.

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Maybe you should try another bridge?

 

[RedStrikers]

Unfortunately, when it comes to payment processing, you become the Antichrist if your content is anything adult related.

Just as an example: I made software to record porn videos, it got me banned from 5 PAYMENT PROCESSORS even though it is just computer software, but because its usage is related to porn they banned me (and some of them even held my funds with a bs excuse).

The typical excuse they use for this is: "Adult is high risk blahblahblah". Keep in mind I've been selling for 3 years and don't have a single charge back.

For Patreon, it seems anything other than vanilla is fair game to get banned. I don't know their excuses for this, maybe they will say incest/rape games are "higher risk" whatever this means.

 

[i107760]

Only thing we can do is switch to sites like SubscribeStar that allow content as long as it is legal. Sadly, for devs relying on their game as their main source of income, this is not very attractive. As players, what you can do is subscribe to their SubscribeStar instead of Patreon, if they offer it, because it then becomes easier to switch over as time goes by.

 

[Wol]

Only thing we can do is switch to sites like SubscribeStar that allow content as long as it is legal. Sadly, for devs relying on their game as their main source of income, this is not very attractive. As players, what you can do is subscribe to their SubscribeStar instead of Patreon, if they offer it, because it then becomes easier to switch over as time goes by.

Yeah subscribestar doesn’t work at all, as An example Savin makes about 25k a month via patreon, he makes at the absolute most 1k a month on subscribestar, and that’s me highballing it. So no, offwring subscribestar in addition to Patreon doesn’t make people switch over to it.

 

[i107760]

Yeah subscribestar doesn’t work at all, as An example Savin makes about 25k a month via patreon, he makes at the absolute most 1k a month on subscribestar, and that’s me highballing it. So no, offwring subscribestar in addition to Patreon doesn’t make people switch over to it.

Exactly my point. Until Patrons start to switch over, developers will not switch over. So if you are subscribed on Patreon to a developer that offers SubscribeStar or other alternative, you should swap your subscription over. Sadly, there is no real alternative for Patreon if your game is your primary income.

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

34k users since they launched 5 years ago. Patreon has 3 million active monthly users. No one is using LibraPay. Just like the other "alternatives", I don't know of a single NSFW developer who is earning a living wage on any of them. Those platforms simply don't have enough users.

I have no idea what LibraPay is, but that argument doesn't make much sense to me. Are you saying that adult game devs get new subscribers from Patreon users just stumbling on their page? Is there even discoverability on Patreon? I haven't used the site in a long time, but from what I remember it was pretty shit. Like, don't most subscribers come from people finding your game on F95 and then going to whatever subscription service you're on? I'm not saying it's easy to switch when you already have an established userbase, but what stops a new dev from just going with SubscribeStar for example?

 

[i107760]

I assume the argument is, a person that plays porn games and subscribes to creators, who is already subscribed to several people on Patreon, is less likely to make an account on a competing service, then subscribe to a new creator there, than he would be if he could simply go to the creator's Patreon and subscribe with one button press.

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

I assume the argument is, a person that plays porn games and subscribes to creators, who is already subscribed to several people on Patreon, is less likely to make an account on a competing service, then subscribe to a new creator there, than he would be if he could simply go to the creator's Patreon and subscribe with one button press.

But shouldn't you be targeting people who aren't supporting anything yet first and foremost? I feel like people who subscribe to multiple Patreons are a tiny minority.

 

[i107760]

I think that's not really true. The first time is the biggest step. Most people I know that support adult game developers, subscribe to multiple of them. Same on twitch for example, most subscribers tend to be subscribed to more than one channel (ignoring prime subs), going from "free" to "paid" is way bigger than going from "paid" to "paying a little more" for most. People who already support someone else, have already shown that they: 1. have the money to support an author, 2. will support authors they like.

And, for people that are not subscribed to anyone yet, signing up to Patreon or SubscribeStar is no difference. It only makes a difference to people already on either platform, and Patreon has way more users. Hence having your work on Patreon is more profitable.

 

[redknight00]

I assume the argument is, a person that plays porn games and subscribes to creators, who is already subscribed to several people on Patreon, is less likely to make an account on a competing service, then subscribe to a new creator there, than he would be if he could simply go to the creator's Patreon and subscribe with one button press.

Pretty much, I have a Patreon account and support a couple of devs there, I have no intention of making a SubscribeStar account and if a dev had only a SS account I would skip them and give money to someone else.

And yes, it's easier to convince someone to pay something extra than to convince someone to pay at all, most of the later are hardcore pirates and hate the idea of paying for porn on principle.

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

Pretty much, I have a Patreon account and support a couple of devs there, I have no intention of making a SubscribeStar account and if a dev had only a SS account I would skip them and give money to someone else.

You're part of the problem then.

 

[redknight00]

You're part of the problem then.

I'm part of many problems and even the cause of a few. The bottom is I see donating on Patreon as an investment in less rape, incest, and loli games, all things a Knight of Red disapproves.

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

I'm part of many problems and even the cause of a few. The bottom is I see donating on Patreon as an investment in less rape, incest, and loli games, all things a Knight of Red disapproves.

Ok, normie.

 

[Vengel]

I don't give a f**k about the payment platforms ... but to all the patreon supporters here (wanna be developers and moderators) > since you are against child pornography and rape > do you support Milfy City ... it has them both ? What ? You missed that somehow ? The arrogant modder here even see it as investment

 

[Domiek]

I have no idea what LibraPay is, but that argument doesn't make much sense to me. Are you saying that adult game devs get new subscribers from Patreon users just stumbling on their page? Is there even discoverability on Patreon? I haven't used the site in a long time, but from what I remember it was pretty shit. Like, don't most subscribers come from people finding your game on F95 and then going to whatever subscription service you're on? I'm not saying it's easy to switch when you already have an established userbase, but what stops a new dev from just going with SubscribeStar for example?

No, platform marketing has nothing to do with what I'm discussing.

Patreon has 100x the userbase of Librapay. It's much easier to convince someone to toss you a few $ than it is to convince someone to go sign up for a new service, fill out some forms and enter their private information and then toss you a few $.

Every additional hurdle between you and your objective greatly increases the chances of failure. That's why the devs who have both a Patreon and a Subscribestar almost always have much higher earnings on their Patreon despite offering two donation options.