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Patreon Is Hardening Their 'Adult Content' Guidelines. Discussion Thread

Ignazzio

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I looked at Summertime Saga's page and it is kind of funny actually, you wouldn't even know it is an adult game looking at the patreon page.
SS is special with it's art style. Even if you know it's porn you don't know about incest. I've downloaded it thinking it's not:(
 

FeralChild

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This sort of thing is why I don't understand why some of these devs will quit their dayjob and try to live off Patreon donations. One click of a button, and some intern at Patreon have just eradicated their income.
I assume half your post is hyperbole. But you can get laid off in your regular day job, too.
100% job security is a very rare thing
 
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I assume half your post is hyperbole. But you can get laid off in your regular day job, too.
100% job security is a very rare thing
Sure, but in my day-to-day there's at least a safety net. I have X months notice and unemployment insurance. There's no notice on Patreon, they can just pull the rug out, and I'm fairly certain my insurance isn't going to cover demonetization by Patreon.
 
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well the incest games are niche and not making patreon huge money. like there is only darkcookie at top 50 i can understand why they don't want something as controversial. when people bring that shit in court, it's just extra weight to defend. tho i'm sure people will find a workaround so not a big deal in my opinion.
 

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@klx LewdLab has only just been contacted by the Patreon people and he said it was "Mostly good news" and that he's working on the changes they want.
Sin has one of the best games here, the only problem is that incest and mind control (well, for the new rules) for me this is the same, a Great game, but I believe that Sin keeps the job to the end as He does, with intelligence.
 

kzk0987

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Can someone clarify something for me? Why is incest illegal in so many US states? I mean, what does the state care if two blood related adults want to fuck? I don't see what they gain in having this kind of legistlation and enforcing it.

Also, does that extent to fantasy deciptions of incest, or ist it just other of those "it's not illegal but looks bad for our investors" situations?
 

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More from LewdLab: "Remove the words 'teen' and 'mind-control' in addition to the big 5 from your page, tags, rewards, everywhere. If your free version / demo contains anything from the big 5, remove it from patreon, and you cannot link to it publicly on patreon. Also, they say, make sure anything you link to on patreon fits community guideline"
 

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Also, does that extent to fantasy deciptions of incest, or ist it just other of those "it's not illegal but looks bad for our investors" situations?
Well they mention that stuff like Game of Thrones is OK, and that does featured rape and incest, but it's also not the point of the book either, just there to enhance the story. But you'd be hard pressed to find something like that in your average porn game from Patreon since they are all about sex. They'd probably get away if they'd do it like, let's say, Tsukihime where the porn was not the focus at all, but I'm afraid not nearly enough people would be willing to pay up monthly for a game like that.
 
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Can someone clarify something for me? Why is incest illegal in so many US states? I mean, what does the state care if two blood related adults want to fuck? I don't see what they gain in having this kind of legistlation and enforcing it.
I imagine concerns about inbreeding might be part of it.
 

ilozq

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Can someone clarify something for me? Why is incest illegal in so many US states? I mean, what does the state care if two blood related adults want to fuck? I don't see what they gain in having this kind of legistlation and enforcing it.

Also, does that extent to fantasy deciptions of incest, or ist it just other of those "it's not illegal but looks bad for our investors" situations?
for me it is not the blood-relation thing. it's more like the man/woman that was supposed be "the caregiver" MIGHT have manipulated the child into having sexual thoughts about theirselves. children are vulnerable to manipulation and even when they become adults, they can't realize that they were manipulated into having sex with their so called parent.
 

Carlo S

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Can someone clarify something for me? Why is incest illegal in so many US states? I mean, what does the state care if two blood related adults want to fuck? I don't see what they gain in having this kind of legistlation and enforcing it.

Also, does that extent to fantasy deciptions of incest, or ist it just other of those "it's not illegal but looks bad for our investors" situations?
Friend, the worse is if the two have legal age (over 18) isn't not illegal, only for the moral ways of some that continue doing everything for put it out of the sight of your "Good Manners". In the Justice way, this is legal.
 

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More from LewdLab: "Remove the words 'teen' and 'mind-control' in addition to the big 5 from your page, tags, rewards, everywhere. If your free version / demo contains anything from the big 5, remove it from patreon, and you cannot link to it publicly on patreon. Also, they say, make sure anything you link to on patreon fits community guideline"
....So some housewife mom walked in on little Jimmy playing a game about fucking mommy and threw a bitchfit, I take it?

Due to the whole free demos can't contain so-and-so content and such seems some internet champion must've had a meltdown.
 
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Ignazzio

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Can someone clarify something for me? Why is incest illegal in so many US states? I mean, what does the state care if two blood related adults want to fuck? I don't see what they gain in having this kind of legistlation and enforcing it.
It's not only States. It's most of the modern countries as well as most civilisations since the beginning of time. It's bad for a society and most of the time it's a criminal act of an adult male against his female family member. More over when it's not criminal it usually consist of people with mental issues which creates more problems. Inbreeding is just bad for people and it's been stigmatized for a long time.
 

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More from LewdLab: "Remove the words 'teen' and 'mind-control' in addition to the big 5 from your page, tags, rewards, everywhere. If your free version / demo contains anything from the big 5, remove it from patreon, and you cannot link to it publicly on patreon. Also, they say, make sure anything you link to on patreon fits community guideline"
Ok, I get the stuff about incest, rape and so on, as they put it stuff that are real problems on the real world... But why the hell is mind control content a problem? This makes no goddamn sense.

Also this pretty much confirms they can't continue on Patreon at all, if even the public version of the game can't be linked there. People will have to host shit on their own site and have Patreon as an extremely vague funding page, but that pretty much keeps them from doing things like patron-only releases.
 

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Yeah! I didn't play it backwards and now I'm only an atheist.
I forgive you like I would any Babylon 5 fan ;)
Still one of the best Sci Fi out there IMO (well until the end of the shadow war and retaking of earth. Then it went kind of downhill but still satisfying)
Rrrrrr Ivanova :heartcoveredeyes:
 
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PayneToTheMax

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Ok, I get the stuff about incest, rape and so on, as they put it stuff that are real problems on the real world... But why the hell is mind control content a problem? This makes no goddamn sense.
Mind control is part of the "dubious consent" clause I'd wager.
 

kzk0987

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It's not only States. It's most of the modern countries as well as most civilisations since the beginning of time. It's bad for a society and most of the time it's a criminal act of an adult male against his female family member. More over when it's not criminal it usually consist of people with mental issues which creates more problems. Inbreeding is just bad for people and it's been stigmatized for a long time.
What if they have no intention of having children?
And usualluy it's only over generations that inbreeding creates problems. The few isolated freaks who want to get together won't really create a problem, as you said, incest is something frowned upon by society and that most people won't consider. I just don't think the state should concern itself with it.

If the incest is happening due to some kind of abuse, that already falls under other crimes, you don't need a specific one about incest.
I'm not even into incest (don't mind it in games, but that's about it) but I find this whole thing mind numbing.
 

kzk0987

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I guess because mindcontrol is non-consensual, so they'd classify it as rape.
I'm so tired of this "everything is rape" environment we're in right now.
Also, even if it is, it's a form of rape completely impossible of replicating in real life. Do people want to criminalize impossible thoughts now?