Patreon new fee

[xןʞ]

I feel like the ultimate inevitable solution is probably gonna have to end up being some sort of steam early access equivalent for a lot of these games, where you just pay a set price and they have built in update patchers.

But of course with how flaky a ton of adult game devs are it'd never work even moreso than what a disaster early access is for regular games.

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

So if creator became victim after many backers pull out their support, you can't blame consumer for it as the one who make changes are Patreon. So blame Patreon and good luck with it. It's 2017, where there's a lot of fraud companies.

"Fraud company" for a company that allowed me to at least TRY to make my dream job become true is somewhat dishonest. I'm not happy with them, signed a petition, asked Jack Conte to reappear on Twitter, informed my patrons... But just because donations are taxed in Italy (yep, they are) that won't stop me to donate to causes which I feel worthy.

I'm not telling you to pledge ME, you probably don't even know who I am, I'm just saying that making harsh choices will hurt the very same creators you once pledged and (if you pledged them I'm sure of it) loved and felt worthy of your hard-earned money.

Just this. Of course I can't tell any of you how to spend your money, on my side I will just work as hard as I always did to make my project go on the way I intended. I can't do much more than this.

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

I feel like the ultimate inevitable solution is probably gonna have to end up being some sort of steam early access equivalent for a lot of these games, where you just pay a set price and they have built in update patchers.

But of course with how flaky a ton of adult game devs are it'd never work even moreso than what a disaster early access is for regular games.

As I said

Having a monthly "wage" is what allows us to transform this activity from an hobby to a real job, especially those like me who also have a family to take care of

 

[T51bwinterized]

I think in general it can be said that very few creators blame Patrons for leaving in this scenario. This fucking sucks, and if we're getting fucked by this, then you guys are getting fucked twice as hard. All our blame should be aimed squarely at Patreon, and perhaps the financial companies that might have forced them to make this change.

 

[RWaites]

Is Patreon a public company or planning on going public, not that it really matters. I support 9 Dev's at the moment at around $15-$20 each so I don't mind paying a bit extra as long as the Dev's get what they are due.

 

[User_215882]

From what I got this is going to fuck over a lot of foreign patrons such as in Europe that has to pay a tax. Ive been reading they have to pay an additional tax to support creators. This is just going to eliminate a good chunk of small donations in favor of larger donations. If you don't like it just leave or pick a creator you really like and drop those you were on the fence about. Its what I am going to do.

 

[T51bwinterized]

I don't think it's a public company. But, it does have investors. It finished a funding round pretty recently. Some have speculated that was a key cause.

 

[thanatos69]

My suspicion is that they're going to use the new money to hire more police force and wipe out the adult devs for good.

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

From what I got this is going to fuck over a lot of foreign patrons such as in Europe that has to pay a tax. Ive been reading they have to pay an additional tax to support creators. This is just going to eliminate a good chunk of small donations in favor of larger donations. If you don't like it just leave or pick a creator you really like and drop those you were on the fence about. Its what I am going to do.

Yep, in Italy all my pledges are taxed 22%
If I pledge 1$ it's 1,22 (assuming 1$ = 1€ for simplicity)
If I pledge 5$ it's 6,10
If I pledge 100$ it's 122$ and so on...

Since I'm in Italy if you pledge me 1000$ that's 840 € at the actual exchange (and our bread costs the same as yours, believe me. A game sold 19,99$ it's being sold at 19,99 € here, even World of Warcraft monthly fee, to say one).
And I have to pay taxes on that 840€ income too, because that's treated as work of course.

I wrote a post about this yesterday:

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So for us Europeans things are more or less the same. Having transaction fees removed it's a great boost on paper, but having lots of pledgers go away will turn on us the very same...

 

[RWaites]

Yep, in Italy all my pledges are taxed 22%
If I pledge 1$ it's 1,22 (assuming 1$ = 1€ for simplicity)
If I pledge 5$ it's 6,10
If I pledge 100$ it's 122$ and so on...

Since I'm in Italy if you pledge me 1000$ that's 840 € at the actual exchange (and our bread costs the same as yours, believe me. A game sold 19,99$ it's being sold at 19,99 € here, even World of Warcraft monthly fee, to say one).
And I have to pay taxes on that 840€ income too, because that's treated as work of course.

I wrote a post about this yesterday:

You must be registered to see the links

So for us Europeans things are more or less the same. Having transaction fees removed it's a great boost on paper, but having lots of pledgers go away will turn on us the very same...

Here in the U.K. it's 20%

 

[Benn Swagger]

"Fraud company" for a company that allowed me to at least TRY to make my dream job become true is somewhat dishonest. I'm not happy with them, signed a petition, asked Jack Conte to reappear on Twitter, informed my patrons... But just because donations are taxed in Italy (yep, they are) that won't stop me to donate to causes which I feel worthy.

I'm not telling you to pledge ME, you probably don't even know who I am, I'm just saying that making harsh choices will hurt the very same creators you once pledged and (if you pledged them I'm sure of it) loved and felt worthy of your hard-earned money.

Just this. Of course I can't tell any of you how to spend your money, on my side I will just work as hard as I always did to make my project go on the way I intended. I can't do much more than this.

I know about your feeling into it, but consumer have different point of view. They want to give $10 then $10 it is. Backers care about you but they care their own wallet more than you. So when donating $10 and they have to pay +$10, as normal person, we hate for it.

I read some comment in here, which actually logical. He said something like, "I'm pulled out my donation cause only that they can understand", the same as Starwars Battlefront 2. When people voicing their disagree, company won't hear you cause they just grab the cash ignore your plead. But when money stop, stock market down minus $30 billions, then these company will start to read complains.

I'm sorry if Creator became victim, once more, but this the only things worked to stop the company stupid decision and start to listening, is by boycott their money flows. I'm sorry for you, creators, I truly do.

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

I read some comment in here, which actually logical. He said something like, "I'm pulled out my donation cause only that they can understand", the same as Starwars Battlefront 2.

I'm sorry if Creator became victim, once more, but this the only things worked to stop the company stupid decision and start to listening, is by boycott their money flows. I'm sorry for you, creators, I truly do.

I see your point. I really do.
But...
We (creators) are not EA.
Patreon takes 5% from us each month. If you delete your 100$ pledge you take off 5$ from Patreon and 95$ from the creator you once pledged.

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

Here in the U.K. it's 20%

Long live the Queen.
I love your country!

 

[RWaites]

Long live the Queen.
I love your country!

First time I've been called a queen, but I know what you mean Viva l'Italia

 

[T51bwinterized]

On the upside. Drip is coming out next year. Maybe they'll pragmatically loosen Kickstarter's porn rules.

 

[Mwanted]

@Bruni Multimedia : I see your point (on a side note: I'm from Italy like you ) but bear in mind what will really hurt the small creators is Patreon itself. 90% of the creators wouldn't probably be here if not for the low tier pledges or the patrons who like to distribute small-medium amounts to *a lot* of creators. What they are doing will literally kill a great amount of potential newcomers.
I'm sorry for the creators losing pledges of course (and tbh I didn't have the courage to end the support to one of my creators (aRetired) because he's too small and deserves a lot more) but it's the only way to get their attention. And on a not less important note I don't want to contribute with my money to a bunch of people that censor adult content and make incredibly stupid decisions like this.
Doing nothing is basically giving your approval to what they are doing.

 

[Benn Swagger]

I see your point. I really do.
But...
We (creators) are not EA.
Patreon takes 5% from us each month. If you delete your 100$ pledge you take off 5$ from Patreon and 95$ from the creator you once pledged.

You are DICE, Patreon is EA. DICE reputation hit bottom, when actually who screwed up is EA, DICE did making an awesome game, as yours @Bruni Multimedia .

 

[T51bwinterized]

@Bruni Multimedia : I see your point (on a side note: I'm from Italy like you ) but bear in mind what will really hurt the small creators is Patreon itself. 90% of the creators wouldn't probably be here if not for the low tier pledges or the patrons who like to distribute small-medium amounts to *a lot* of creators. What they are doing will literally kill a great amount of potential newcomers.
I'm sorry for the creators losing pledges of course (and tbh I didn't have the courage to end the support to one of my creators (aRetired) because he's too small and deserves a lot more) but it's the only way to get their attention. And on a not less important note I don't want to contribute with my money to a bunch of people that censor adult content and make incredibly stupid decisions like this.
Doing nothing is basically giving your approval to what they are doing.

Most of us aren't doing nothing. The threat of future suspensions if the issue is not resolved and making a public outcry, as well as the thousands of feedback forms from creators and patrons demanding an end to policy are all forms of public pressure.

We haven't yet exhausted dialogue with Patreon as an option. They're remaining silent, but there has been word slipping out that they're trying to figure out a response. Once we see their response, if they insist on trying to scam patrons then it warrants more aggressive action.

 

[Voilsh]

The only thing that would make Patreon move is the big SFW creators. NSFW are just cannon fodder at this point.

Is Patreon a public company or planning on going public, not that it really matters. I support 9 Dev's at the moment at around $15-$20 each so I don't mind paying a bit extra as long as the Dev's get what they are due.

Basically any taken fee <5$ is robbery, so you're OK as you don't pledge less than that.

 

[knerre]

They're not going to roll out the new payment scheme...

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Guess the backlash was too much. What a poorly thought out plan, jeez. I wonder if all the $1 and other patrons will flock back to the projects, otherwise Patreon did a lot of unnecessary damage. The blog also mentions that the new system will be revised and implemented in a different form at a later date, when the community has had its say.