VN Ren'Py Peace of Mind: Watcher's Eye [Prologue Day 3] [Silent J Games]

[JoeTheMC84]

And that is why this VN needs the tag "harem" because of the last update there are 4 women having sex with MC and they all know about each other.

Well on my playthrough aunt and cousin makes better since than counselor/friend.
And every interaction with both cousins made since to me.

Didn't notice that the tags up top haven't been updated. But yeah, harem tag qualifies now. It was just a planned tag before. Someone just needs to report a tag update is needed.

 

[Superocco]

Well on my playthrough aunt and cousin makes better since than counselor/friend.
And every interaction with both cousins made since to me.

The interactions with Hailey and Mia do make sense as of now if you treat them as cousins, just like treating Judy as the MC's aunt. However, that conversation that I'm referring to made me change my mind. Like I said, maybe I misinterpreted some things, but there were some mentions regarding the sisters' father and his involvement with the MC that got me a bit confused. Also, when they start talking about how Judy accepted Mike, it's said that she told her daughters "treat him like family." But, if they're actually cousins, and therefore they're already family, it doesn't really make sense to say something like that. Thus, bearing that in mind, and since Silent_J_Dev has also stated many times that in the future that family connection would make less sense, I chose the original.

 

[a1fox3]

The interactions with Hailey and Mia do make sense as of now if you treat them as cousins, just like treating Judy as the MC's aunt. However, that conversation that I'm referring to made me change my mind. Like I said, maybe I misinterpreted some things, but there were some mentions regarding the sisters' father and his involvement with the MC that got me a bit confused. Also, when they start talking about how Judy accepted Mike, it's said that she told her daughters "treat him like family." But, if they're actually cousins, and therefore they're already family, it doesn't really make sense to say something like that. Thus, bearing that in mind, and since Silent_J_Dev has also stated many times that in the future that family connection would make less sense, I chose the original.

No about "family" making since its because there is already a mother and sister in the game.

-There are a few relationships you can configure. Please for the love of all that is Holy, do not set them as your mother and sisters. You have those and are part of the story.

And the story make more since for aunt and cousin.
Why would a family take in a 15yo out of the blue!.

 

[JoeTheMC84]

The interactions with Hailey and Mia do make sense as of now if you treat them as cousins, just like treating Judy as the MC's aunt. However, that conversation that I'm referring to made me change my mind. Like I said, maybe I misinterpreted some things, but there were some mentions regarding the sisters' father and his involvement with the MC that got me a bit confused. Also, when they start talking about how Judy accepted Mike, it's said that she told her daughters "treat him like family." But, if they're actually cousins, and therefore they're already family, it doesn't really make sense to say something like that. Thus, bearing that in mind, and since Silent_J_Dev has also stated many times that in the future that family connection would make less sense, I chose the original.

No about "family" making since its because there is already a mother and sister in the game.

And the story make more since for aunt and cousin.
Why would a family take in a 15yo out of the blue!.

I get what Superocco is saying, but even for cousins, what she said, "about treating him as family," does make some sense since he was older when he moved in, as A1fox3 pointed out, and if I remember right it is the girl saying that so "quoting" Judy which means they might have said it differently than she said it back then (or even if Judy said it then maybe she was just speaking short hand) . I think that's likely what will happen one or two more times at most, just an off hand comment that could be read either way, well see.

 

[Lerd0]

Didn't notice that the tags up top haven't been updated. But yeah, harem tag qualifies now. It was just a planned tag before. Someone just needs to report a tag update is needed.

..any other tags missing?

 

[PSYlevi]

..any other tags missing?

Anal sex

 

[Superocco]

I get what Superocco is saying, but even for cousins, what she said, "about treating him as family," does make some sense since he was older when he moved in, as A1fox3 pointed out, and if I remember right it is the girl saying that so "quoting" Judy which means they might have said it differently than she said it back then (or even if Judy said it then maybe she was just speaking short hand) . I think that's likely what will happen one or two more times at most, just an off hand comment that could be read either way, well see.

I see that point as well. I just imagine myself in a position in which my mother welcomes my cousin (despite the age) into our home, and then tells me "he's leaving with us now, so treat him like family" a bit of an odd choice of words. Like, I get the reasoning, but we're already supposed to be family, so that should be implied.
Still, what still has me confused about that conversation is when they speak about Hailey's and Mia's father. She says that he left them "to be in her arms", to which Mike says "I'm sorry, because she's... my-". Is he referring to the woman their father abandoned them for? Is he referring to Judy, which is why he says that he's sorry because he feels his presence "complicated" things even more in their household? That whole exchange got me a tad confused, not going to lie.

 

[JoeTheMC84]

I see that point as well. I just imagine myself in a position in which my mother welcomes my cousin (despite the age) into our home, and then tells me "he's leaving with us now, so treat him like family" a bit of an odd choice of words. Like, I get the reasoning, but we're already supposed to be family, so that should be implied.
Still, what still has me confused about that conversation is when they speak about Hailey's and Mia's father. She says that he left them "to be in her arms", to which Mike says "I'm sorry, because she's... my-". Is he referring to the woman their father abandoned them for? Is he referring to Judy, which is why he says that he's sorry because he feels his presence "complicated" things even more in their household? That whole exchange got me a tad confused, not going to lie.

I think that conversation is supposed to be confusing for now. Probably going to get cleared up later.

 

[gestved]

There are two interpretations in which the line makes sense if they are cousins. First is her mother reffering to treat him like part of the nuclear family, like a brother or something like that. The other would be if a family member which you never saw before shows up, and the mother says "treat him like family" as to say you can trust him. Would be best to avoid the line but it's not impossible dialog.

I actually came to have a look which relation are they supposed to have, I had already added as aunt and cousins because any other family relationship made little sense with the dialog that follows.

 

[FatGiant]

I see that point as well. I just imagine myself in a position in which my mother welcomes my cousin (despite the age) into our home, and then tells me "he's leaving with us now, so treat him like family" a bit of an odd choice of words. Like, I get the reasoning, but we're already supposed to be family, so that should be implied.
Still, what still has me confused about that conversation is when they speak about Hailey's and Mia's father. She says that he left them "to be in her arms", to which Mike says "I'm sorry, because she's... my-". Is he referring to the woman their father abandoned them for? Is he referring to Judy, which is why he says that he's sorry because he feels his presence "complicated" things even more in their household? That whole exchange got me a tad confused, not going to lie.

When it was time to choose the relationships, I considered for a while to use some sort of family. I decided against it. I am rather interested in Incest, but, it HAS to make sense.

I took a look before playing and there was some debate about what would be the best choice and what the pitfalls were. That's why, instead of trying to go for a pseudo incestuous relationship, I chose to go with Counselor Judy and Friends with Haley and Mia. This setup worked flawlessly. The dialogues make sense. They address each other correctly. And so on.

From my perspective, it is WAY better to have the dialogues make sense, the whole thing isn't forced, than it is to have a minimal thrill of a non-existing Incest forced upon the story. If it is to have Incest, then it has to be there explicitly and purposefully. This "maybe" thing doesn't cut it and unless the Dev commits fully to make it work it will always create Plot Holes and Weirdness sooner or later.

Before typing this, I went back and tried Aunt Judy and Cousins... and it wasn't pleasant. At all.

TL/DR: Tried the fake incest, didn't work for me.

Peace

 

[FatGiant]

I think that conversation is supposed to be confusing for now. Probably going to get cleared up later.

When I was reading this... the only possibility that kinda made sense in my mind was: Judy's Husband left her to be with MC's Sister. I don't know if it is or isn't, but, looking at the dialogues before and after, it made sense TO ME. YMMV.

Peace

 

[JoeTheMC84]

When it was time to choose the relationships, I considered for a while to use some sort of family. I decided against it. I am rather interested in Incest, but, it HAS to make sense.

I took a look before playing and there was some debate about what would be the best choice and what the pitfalls were. That's why, instead of trying to go for a pseudo incestuous relationship, I chose to go with Counselor Judy and Friends with Haley and Mia. This setup worked flawlessly. The dialogues make sense. They address each other correctly. And so on.

From my perspective, it is WAY better to have the dialogues make sense, the whole thing isn't forced, than it is to have a minimal thrill of a non-existing Incest forced upon the story. If it is to have Incest, then it has to be there explicitly and purposefully. This "maybe" thing doesn't cut it and unless the Dev commits fully to make it work it will always create Plot Holes and Weirdness sooner or later.

Before typing this, I went back and tried Aunt Judy and Cousins... and it wasn't pleasant. At all.

TL/DR: Tried the fake incest, didn't work for me.

Peace

One of the things for me is the term "counselor" just doesn't make sense. Maybe because I used to be one for a while, worked with mostly older teens and young adults. So it sounds weird to me because I then think of one of my old clients moving in with me,

Also, I think aunt and cousins work well, I haven't noticed any big problems. But I'm more forgiving and willing to lean on the side of more incest in games over less even if it doesn't fit perfectly. My ability to head-canon is strong,

 

[a1fox3]

..any other tags missing?

There are more tags planned.
Sleep Sex (Consensual), Spanking, Light Corruption, Sexual Harassment, Hand Job, Interracial, School Setting (College), Pregnancy (Avoidable), Voyeurism and looks like some drugs use but MC will put a stop to it once it happens.

Anal sex

Tag is already there.

 

[Silent_J_Dev]

There are more tags planned.
Sleep Sex (Consensual), Spanking, Light Corruption, Sexual Harassment, Hand Job, Interracial, School Setting (College), Pregnancy (Avoidable), Voyeurism and looks like some drugs use but MC will put a stop to it once it happens.

Tag is already there.

I add the tags as they become available in the lower tags section since it's the only place I can edit them. Just in case you ever have any doubts as to was is currently available. And I try to specify if it is optional, if it applies.

 

[Lucid Lancer]

If the dev sticks with his vision and be able to complete this vn, this is going to be spectacular because so far this is really good and it's just a prologue.
Decent MC, who's not a doormat and most of LIs are actually likeable (so far). Very solid work so far considering this is the dev's first game/vn.

 

[micojive]

What is the point of being able to change relationships if its not to skirt around some incest rules. What logical reason is there if you have a true non incest game?

 

[a1fox3]

What is the point of being able to change relationships if its not to skirt around some incest rules. What logical reason is there if you have a true non incest game?

Some players just can't take a hint.

Hint, hint.

-There are a few relationships you can configure. Please for the love of all that is Holy, do not set them as your mother and sisters. You have those and are part of the story. *This feature will not be present in the Patreon version.

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[Lucid Lancer]

Wait, so aunt and cousin relationship is actually canon here? I couldn't decide what to put there because counselor and friends just did not fit, doesn't make much sense to me but i went with it since i don't know what else will work later in the story.

 

[a1fox3]

Wait, so aunt and cousin relationship is actually canon here? I couldn't decide what to put there because counselor and friends just did not fit, doesn't make much sense to me but i went with it since i don't know what else will work later in the story.

It fits the story.

 

[FatGiant]

It fits the story.

To me it felt forced... I dunno... maybe because I had to input it, I got hyper-vigilant on the dialogues, or something, I didn't feel a real connection...

Peace