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No, no, no... I wasn't talking about the Werewolf "Not NTR" scene :p, I remember there was some flak with the MC turning into an Ogre with the Succubi Daughters roleplay scene (with some people claiming it was NTR), I was asking is something similar blocked the MC using his shapechanging powers to roleplay "Little Red Ridinghood and the Big Bad Wolf"... Whether you allowed the Werewolf to play with Mia or not, I feel the MC should still have been able to do it... either as full Dog or a Wereman, it would make Mia much more interesting IMO.
Agreed MC should be allowed to use Werewolf form even if you "Play As Intended". However I don't think those deluded claims had any effect on MC not being to turn into a Werewolf. In the original play MC never gets the chance to become a werewolf. The "NO-CUCK" shifting scene was created/programmed in response to people complaining about the Werewolf fucking Mia.
 
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I like Mia, her appearance isnt the most gorgeous...
Gorgeous is extremely subjective, personally I actually tend to prefer girls with "flaws" whether it is a big nose, weird laugh, scars or whatever, I find it hard to trust/connect with girls who are too "perfect", my thoughts tend to jump straight to plastic/barbie/airhead
... her story isnt the most interesting ....
Story on the other hand is extremely important to me, it doesn't matter how attractive she is on a physical level, if she doesn't have an interesting narrative I just lose interest (almost instantly in fact)

I hope Beth dosent change too much. In the same way I like Mia for her more planet appearance, I like Beth. Also I like the short hair, many girls have long hair (sometimes done up but still).
Short hair works to (I still prefer Pigtails though, use 'em as handholds when learning her to suck a cock), I think Beth could really work the Beverly Hillbilly TomBoy image, the type who grew up wrestling her 6 brothers and can't quite work out why everybody wants to wrestle her differently now... Maybe they think her boobs will slow her down... well she'll show 'em.
 

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Gorgeous is extremely subjective, personally I actually tend to prefer girls with "flaws" whether it is a big nose, weird laugh, scars or whatever, I find it hard to trust/connect with girls who are too "perfect", my thoughts tend to jump straight to plastic/barbie/airhead

Story on the other hand is extremely important to me, it doesn't matter how attractive she is on a physical level, if she doesn't have an interesting narrative I just lose interest (almost instantly in fact)
Flaws arnt terrible. I like that there is a variety in this game & I enjoy the fact characters like Mia & Beth exist. Compared to Victoria, Alice, Oksana & Ziva they are more like wall flowers, still pretty but not stand out (which actually makes them stand out to me). I feel Mia was a perfect early game damsel character & the lil red angle was a nice bit of development to make her character just a little bit more fun. If Tinkerer does anything for her I think it should be let MC go Big Bad Wolf even in the regular version. Why do the babies get to have the wolf form when people like me play as intended lol.

Beth's story is one I have heard Tinkerer is struggling with. I feel he created her for the Horse Seed but her lack of plot combined with the horsing around backlash has left her on the backburner. I think the first half of Beth's story should focus on Gabriel's reaction to MC knocking up his daughter, it would be interesting because 1) this young man is the reason he got himself fixed up & back into his old ways, & 2) He knows what happens at the Temple (theres no way he dosent let's be honest).

Short hair works to (I still prefer Pigtails though, use 'em as handholds when learning her to suck a cock), I think Beth could really work the Beverly Hillbilly TomBoy image, the type who grew up wrestling her 6 brothers and can't quite work out why everybody wants to wrestle her differently now... Maybe they think her boobs will slow her down... well she'll show 'em.
I mean there is zero sign of having brothers (even tho that would have added some hilarity to her character arc). But I do get the tomboy, no-nonsense vibe. Feels like the kind of geilr who used to play rough-n-touble with her father until she grew tits & he stopped cos he got weird about it lol.
 

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Flaws arnt terrible. I like that there is a variety in this game & I enjoy the fact characters like Mia & Beth exist. Compared to Victoria, Alice, Oksana & Ziva they are more like wall flowers, still pretty but not stand out (which actually makes them stand out to me). I feel Mia was a perfect early game damsel character & the lil red angle was a nice bit of development to make her character just a little bit more fun. If Tinkerer does anything for her I think it should be let MC go Big Bad Wolf even in the regular version. Why do the babies get to have the wolf form when people like me play as intended lol.
Like I said, My problem with isn't that they are flawed (or perfect) it's that they are bland to me. I think Mia might even be improved if Gran continued to be overprotective/interfering device (allowing Mia to be perma-horny), For example I hate the Mia interaction where she demands the MC make dinner, Gran could fill that role, demanding the MC step up as provider to her daughter & grand children, cockblocking him if her conditions aren't met (When Mia does it, my first reaction is "fuck you, I built you a house with my bare hands and you are nagging me already!!!"), A cockblocking Gran could also encourage mischief using shape changing magic to get past her (prolonging the dating phase & improving the variety of sex scenes).
(not to mention sneaky sex is the best kind of sex... it gets boring too fast, when it is too easy)

Beth's story is one I have heard Tinkerer is struggling with. I feel he created her for the Horse Seed but her lack of plot combined with the horsing around backlash has left her on the backburner. I think the first half of Beth's story should focus on Gabriel's reaction to MC knocking up his daughter, it would be interesting because 1) this young man is the reason he got himself fixed up & back into his old ways, & 2) He knows what happens at the Temple (theres no way he dosent let's be honest).
I agree Gabriel could be a fantastic device to add some flavour to Beth's narrative, I would have like to have him be obsessively over protective to the point Beth has had no real experience of sex/men, that's why she finds herself drawn to Samson, she has no idea why his cock fascinates her so, it just calls to some unfulfilled desire deep inside her.

I mean there is zero sign of having brothers (even tho that would have added some hilarity to her character arc). But I do get the tomboy, no-nonsense vibe. Feels like the kind of geilr who used to play rough-n-touble with her father until she grew tits & he stopped cos he got weird about it lol.
No need to be so literal, as a basic archetype "real" brothers aren't required, other stableboys/villageboys could have filled that role (until her father chased them away when he realized that their motivations for wrestling had changed). The main point of the Archetype is she is a tough no-nonsense "boy" in a womans body, being overwhelmed with weird sensations/desires that nobody ever taught her about and she has nobody to turn to for guidance.
 

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Like I said, My problem with isn't that they are flawed (or perfect) it's that they are bland to me. I think Mia might even be improved if Gran continued to be overprotective/interfering device (allowing Mia to be perma-horny), For example I hate the Mia interaction where she demands the MC make dinner, Gran could fill that role, demanding the MC step up as provider to her daughter & grand children, cockblocking him if her conditions aren't met (When Mia does it, my first reaction is "fuck you, I built you a house with my bare hands and you are nagging me already!!!"), A cockblocking Gran could also encourage mischief using shape changing magic to get past her (prolonging the dating phase & improving the variety of sex scenes).
(not to mention sneaky sex is the best kind of sex... it gets boring too fast, when it is too easy)


I agree Gabriel could be a fantastic device to add some flavour to Beth's narrative, I would have like to have him be obsessively over protective to the point Beth has had no real experience of sex/men, that's why she finds herself drawn to Samson, she has no idea why his cock fascinates her so, it just calls to some unfulfilled desire deep inside her.


No need to be so literal, as a basic archetype "real" brothers aren't required, other stableboys/villageboys could have filled that role (until her father chased them away when he realized that their motivations for wrestling had changed). The main point of the Archetype is she is a tough no-nonsense "boy" in a womans body, being overwhelmed with weird sensations/desires that nobody ever taught her about and she has nobody to turn to for guidance.

The cockblocking Granny definetly could have helped prolong & enhance Mia's arc. I beleive she only asks MC to make dinner if you pick the option of asking her how things are (otherwise she dosent ever bring it up) & she only ever gets really pissed at MC when he has been gone a while. Not sure how Tinkerer could retroactively make Granny more of a nuisance for the player now that Mia's arc done. I feel for now her story is finished & should be left alone (mabey add some new features later like putting her kids to work somehow? Or having her sell produce in town? She could mention things about rumours she has heard about the new mayor, or the witch hunter, the new Temple or even about the rise of a new Goblin King, as examples).


I'm not sure what happened to Beth's mother, but depending on how long Gabriel has been a single father, it would make sense that he kept the boys away. It could be very interesting to see this play out. If think MC & Gabriel should be able to smooth things out tho cos I like his character. When it comes down to Samson I beleive their should be an optional side quest where MC can commission a Horse "Milking" Machine to collect Horse Seed without Beth getting involved with Samson anymore. The reason I say Optional is for the folk out there who do like Beth & Samsons scenes (I'm not one of them but why take away from them lol).


Also from the way she speaks I dont think she is confused about anything. After watching her father become a drunk & squander their money every day she just dont trust men. However horses are "loyal" & "dont mess things up like [you] boys". Mabey it started the way you said tho, Tinkerer would know lol.
 

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I think those people arnt complaining that shapeshifting is NTR, there complaining about what MC is turning into. It's still stupid tbh. I think the shapeshifting adds a fun & interesting twist to sex scenes & are creative answers to some of MC's problems. If they are complaining its NTR then they are deluded...


I agree with you about the Duplicate thing. If you get jealous of you're OWN CLONE who only exists as an EXTENSION to you're own consciousness... then that's just sad lol. I hope there will be more RoD content for some girls (mabey the RoD quest should be converted into a side quest & if MC has the RoD+Completed the quest then it become avalable to use with other girls? That way its completly optional for those who dont like it)
The Ogre thing you can kinda guess that he was tasting the waters so to speak about making sharing content again and what the public opinion would be. I will say it a million times, I HATE that Tinkerer let himself be bullied to take out content from the vision of the game he was making at the time, the amount of Vanilla crybabies (no offense meant) back a few years on his discord and patreon was crazy. Who knows from what I have asked him he still hopes to add optional content but I doubt it.
 

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The cockblocking Granny definetly could have helped prolong & enhance Mia's arc. I beleive she only asks MC to make dinner if you pick the option of asking her how things are (otherwise she dosent ever bring it up) & she only ever gets really pissed at MC when he has been gone a while. Not sure how Tinkerer could retroactively make Granny more of a nuisance for the player now that Mia's arc done. I feel for now her story is finished & should be left alone (mabey add some new features later like putting her kids to work somehow? Or having her sell produce in town? She could mention things about rumours she has heard about the new mayor, or the witch hunter, the new Temple or even about the rise of a new Goblin King, as examples).


I'm not sure what happened to Beth's mother, but depending on how long Gabriel has been a single father, it would make sense that he kept the boys away. It could be very interesting to see this play out. If think MC & Gabriel should be able to smooth things out tho cos I like his character. When it comes down to Samson I beleive their should be an optional side quest where MC can commission a Horse "Milking" Machine to collect Horse Seed without Beth getting involved with Samson anymore. The reason I say Optional is for the folk out there who do like Beth & Samsons scenes (I'm not one of them but why take away from them lol).


Also from the way she speaks I dont think she is confused about anything. After watching her father become a drunk & squander their money every day she just dont trust men. However horses are "loyal" & "dont mess things up like [you] boys". Mabey it started the way you said tho, Tinkerer would know lol.
Obviously most of what I wrote was more about how I would have liked for their stories to have developed rather than how it is, obviously a bunch of stuff would need to be retconned if Tinkerer were to take my thoughts wholesale, but I figure there are elements that could be enacted. for example Mia's Gran would be easy, she could come forward one day (triggered by "n" days of neglect) "I've been watching you, you lazy no good layabout, I've been silent so far but no longer! YOU WILL step up as a husband and a father OR I WILL make your life a living hell...", Mia could see this and blame herself, swearing to herself to be more proactive in your sex life. [easy peasy]

... BTW re Mia getting pissed... I ignore her most of the time so she is always pissed at me :p, but technically even when she wasn't pissed she tended to refuse sex unless I made dinner.

and as for Beth, I disliked her for a reason :sleep: I'd recon her in a heartbeat without looking back, though Pigtails & Daisy Dukes might go a long way to making her much more agreeable if a makeover was all that happened with her. :p As it stands, the only interactions I have with her is the stuff the game forces you to do to progress the story.
 
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The Ogre thing you can kinda guess that he was tasting the waters so to speak about making sharing content again and what the public opinion would be. I will say it a million times, I HATE that Tinkerer let himself be bullied to take out content from the vision of the game he was making at the time, the amount of Vanilla crybabies (no offense meant) back a few years on his discord and patreon was crazy. Who knows from what I have asked him he still hopes to add optional content but I doubt it.
Dude you should mean your offense :p. Tinkerer is the captain of this ship, we are all just passengers (hell most of us aren't even passengers, we're stowaways), if he wants to take the story in a particular direction, us passengers need to either strap in for the ride or jump ship... whiners ain't welcome :p
 

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The Ogre thing you can kinda guess that he was tasting the waters so to speak about making sharing content again and what the public opinion would be. I will say it a million times, I HATE that Tinkerer let himself be bullied to take out content from the vision of the game he was making at the time, the amount of Vanilla crybabies (no offense meant) back a few years on his discord and patreon was crazy. Who knows from what I have asked him he still hopes to add optional content but I doubt it.
When you say the Ogre thing do u mean when MC shared Ziva with Grug the Giant or are u talking about when MC turns into a Troll? If it's the former I agree. If it's the later i have no idea what that has to do with sharing cos that WAS the MC just in a different form.

Either way the amount of people who have a problem with sharing, to the point they they winge & bully Tinkerer to changing his vision, is appealing. But Tinkerer can always do himself a small favor by making that kind of content optional. All sharing should have a "Share" option & a "Greedy" option so players can keep that autonomy. When it comes to RoD duplication, I would suggest Tinkerer ret-con the quest into a completly optional Side Quest, which unlocks new content with other girls after being completed if the player decides to do so. This means Tinkerer can keep his vision for the game & keep people happy (I'm not one to complain about sharing cos the game is good enough I'll accept it, but I do appreciate the option).
 

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Obviously most of what I wrote was more about how I would have liked for their stories to have developed rather than how it is, obviously a bunch of stuff would need to be retconned if Tinkerer were to take my thoughts wholesale, but I figure there are elements that could be enacted. for example Mia's Gran would be easy, she could come forward one day (triggered by "n" days of neglect) "I've been watching you, you lazy no good layabout, I've been silent so far but no longer! YOU WILL step up as a husband and a father OR I WILL make your life a living hell...", Mia could see this and blame herself, swearing to herself to be more proactive in your sex life. [easy peasy]

... BTW re Mia getting pissed... I ignore her most of the time so she is always pissed at me :p, but technically even when she wasn't pissed she tended to refuse sex unless I made dinner.
That could definetly work (but I feel people would definetly just start crying for GILF content & theres enough to get through already lol. I wouldnt touch that with a hundred yard pole at this point :ROFLMAO:) but I agree it is easily done the way u said.

If she is happy she dont need u yo keep making dinner. I never make meals & barley ever have issues with her sex drive ;)

and as for Beth, I disliked her for a reason :sleep: I'd recon her in a heartbeat without looking back, though Pigtails & Daisy Dukes might go a long way to making her much more agreeable if a makeover was all that happened with her. :p As it stands, the only interactions I have with her is the stuff the game forces you to do to progress the story.
I'm hoping her update will give more depth to Beth's character but for now she feels like an idea for a resource & a fetish (that flopped for this particular fanbase on the whole) & not much else... shame really.
 

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Dude you should mean your offense :p. Tinkerer is the captain of this ship, we are all just passengers (hell most of us aren't even passengers, we're stowaways), if he wants to take the story in a particular direction, us passengers need to either strap in for the ride or jump ship... whiners ain't welcome :p
While I fully agree with you're statement here it is the passengers who are essentially funding this cruise. But sometimes I feel Tinkerer let's himself be bullied into changing things for the whiney bitches who are far to entitled.
 

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While I fully agree with you're statement here it is the passengers who are essentially funding this cruise. But sometimes I feel Tinkerer let's himself be bullied into changing things for the whiney bitches who are far to entitled.
My basic opinion is that for every donor that jumps ship, 2 more will subscribe if Tinkerer follows his muse and ignores the whiners...
(The best stories come from the heart not commitees).

But I guess that's easy for me to say with no stakes in the game so... meh!
 
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My basic opinion is that for every donor that jumps ship, 2 more will subscribe if Tinkerer follows his muse and ignores the whiners...
(The best stories come from the heart not commitees).

But I guess that's easy for me to say with no stakes in the game so... meh!
Sharing content is very niche and that niche isn't what PQ occupies. The MC can shapeshift, that should be enough.
 

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Sharing content is very niche and that niche isn't what PQ occupies. The MC can shapeshift, that should be enough.
Random comment!!.... what are you talking about? and what does it have to do to the post you are replying to?
  1. I don't think sharing is as niche as certain snowflakes bitch about, Gangbang is a substantial genre in most porn site, as is threesome, orgy... and that's before you even venture down the NTR/Cuck routes
  2. Niche markets tend to have extremely loyal followers who are more likely to pay for hard to find content.
  3. I never commented about Sharing one way or the other in the conversation you are replying too
The post you responded is about Creators controlling their own creations, their choices matter, not random followers.
 

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Sharing content is very niche and that niche isn't what PQ occupies. The MC can shapeshift, that should be enough.
Wether it is niche or not isnt the problem. It's all the people getting pissy about it that winds me up. Dont get me wrong I appreciate that sharing is now completly optional but Tinkerer shouldnt stop doing those scenes just cos people cant take it. As long as there is a no share option ot should be fine (and if people still complain that it exists then they can fuck off with there insecurities).

Sadly creators like Tinkerer get bullied by the loud mouthed, insecure masses who cant handle some pixels getting ut from someone else, even if that someone is a duplicated extension of the MC. It's pretty sad & pathetic. If I dont like something I just dont play it, i dont go out my way to force the game into what I want.
 

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Wether it is niche or not isnt the problem. It's all the people getting pissy about it that winds me up. Dont get me wrong I appreciate that sharing is now completly optional but Tinkerer shouldnt stop doing those scenes just cos people cant take it. As long as there is a no share option ot should be fine (and if people still complain that it exists then they can fuck off with there insecurities).

Sadly creators like Tinkerer get bullied by the loud mouthed, insecure masses who cant handle some pixels getting ut from someone else, even if that someone is a duplicated extension of the MC. It's pretty sad & pathetic. If I dont like something I just dont play it, i dont go out my way to force the game into what I want.
is in my mind one of the task i need to look out for on the discord, to stop the ''hype trains'' of suggestions or idea that start to grow. Downside is i cant do the same on patreon so that is for tinkerer to stand strong in his own boots for.

Dont think some scenes are a issue, only when that is the only option. Tinkerer need his freedom to make non vanilla stuff(lets call it that) but he needs to keep in mind that some will ''riot'' if ther isnt a other path to pick from.
 

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Wether it is niche or not isnt the problem. It's all the people getting pissy about it that winds me up. Dont get me wrong I appreciate that sharing is now completly optional but Tinkerer shouldnt stop doing those scenes just cos people cant take it. As long as there is a no share option ot should be fine (and if people still complain that it exists then they can fuck off with there insecurities).

Sadly creators like Tinkerer get bullied by the loud mouthed, insecure masses who cant handle some pixels getting ut from someone else, even if that someone is a duplicated extension of the MC. It's pretty sad & pathetic. If I dont like something I just dont play it, i dont go out my way to force the game into what I want.
I don't see how people expressing their opinion is bad. You can say it's altering Tinkerer's original vision, sure, but at the end of the day you're saying people being able to skip content they don't want is a bad thing. I think keeping it optional is the perfect solution and don't see why that should be changed. He can write his more extreme stuff and players who dislike it can just skip it.
 
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