FunFuntomes

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Maghda is a literal gian
giant ears
a bloated belly and pointy teeth.
still all human traits since you excluded ears as enough to qualfy as monster girl
Meanwhile fhe first result for female orc looks like this.


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Again another bad faith argument. You and I both know there are tons of orcs that look like normal humans. This is literally the third example. Nearly every example I can find is just like this one.
once again.. not human with an anatomy not typical of most humans
 

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still all human traits since you excluded ears as enough to qualfy as monster girl

once again.. not human with an anatomy not typical of most humans
I never exluded any traits at all. I said ears werent enough just like I said skin color wasn't enoough, and being a giant wasn't enough. Changing like one thing isn't really enough and you need something more to make themstand out. That's why I said Everi's daughter wasn't one, but Naamah was. Maghda is a giantess with green skin enormous ears that are larger than any orc. It is an insanely bad faith argument to say she looks the same as all the female orcs posted so far. And it's veryclear your argument is based on the fact that you consider orcs to be monsters when I already said that's not what a monster girl is.



once again.. not human with an anatomy not typical of most humans
And that picture looks exactly like a human with tusks same with the other 2 female orc pictures. You're being ridiculous. If you honestly think that doesn't look like a human you're blind.
 

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never exluded any traits at all. I said ears werent enough just like I said skin color wasn't enoough, and being a giant wasn't enough. Changing like one thing isn't really enoug
by their powers combined comes captain planet a monster girl
your argument is based on the fact that you consider orcs to be monsters when I already said that's not what a monster girl is.
your "star trek is just palette swapped humans" has one fallacy, the writers of Star trek were hippies so they created an universe where all species got along to a degree and despite having evolved on different planets, had almost identical societies..
when we decide if someone is a monster girl we have to look at the whole picture:
1) do they have inhuman physical characteristics?
2) do they pose a threat to humans on an individal level?
3) does their society differ much from humans if they have one?
4) how did they become what they are? was it evolution or a supernatural intervention?
 

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What to do if the game doesn't progress further, I have 3 quests I can't get past:
1)Getting past my grandmother (need to look like a gifted wolf to Mia, Ziva has to give a potion for this, but she offers nothing but wanking)
2)Time with Magda (need to learn how to set traps, no one in the tavern helps with this)
3)Prove your trustworthiness (you need to gain Beth's trust by getting Gabriel back on the right track)
In addition, I have no quest company Ziva is silent, Erevi is pregnant and there are prisoners in the dungeon, but she does not give a quest to kill rats, I have already cleaned the entire map with bosses and all communicated with everyone, the result is 0 (I have the game is not in English, so in the names of the quests could be wrong sorry).
Don't confuse Erevi (Tower of Dread) and Ziva (Temple of Qetesh). They are the main charaters on the opposite side of the main quest.

1. Get Past Granny would require a shape-shifting spell. This is from Erevi. You will not get this until after Erevi gave birth. Before that, you should do "The Lord Work". Sacrifice (6-7 times to unlock all scenes) until Erevi is pregnant. If she already got pregnant, she should give "Rat Infestation" if you ask for sex.

Asking Beth out on date would trigger "learn the spell", then go back to the Tower talk with Erevi. If Beth is not ready to date (low affection), help her out and do the Temple quest until you get Gabriel to guard the Temple (#3 below).

2. You need to do quest for Ziva (The Temple of Qetesh) until you get Celeah to the Temple. Ask Caleah about setting trap.

3. "Restore the Temple", you need to talk to the mayor about sending guard. Then go talk to Gabriel in the inn. After he ran away, go find him in Goblin Forest (East of Weirdwood).
 
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FunFuntomes

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An eldritch monster in human form is not a monster girl.
if t has female traits then it is
A werewolf in human form is not a monter girl,
a werewolf in human form is still a moster, if it's a woman and when transformed it reteins female sexual traits it's a monster girl
vampire is not a monster girl.
that's whar mimicry is all about; a predator looking as close as possible to it's prey
You're super hung up on the idea that it's the species that makes it a monster girl when Ive already explain that's not what it means. It's about girls who look monsterous, not about how they act, their evolution or anything else. They could literally be an entire society of cannibals and that wouldn't make them a monster girl. It is just a visual indicator and NOTHING else.
are the cannibals human? if so that's a strawman argument on your part
 

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storm1051787 also here's the definition:
A monster girl is a fictional trope of a girl or young woman who is or shares visual traits with a monster. ... such incarnations often have the woman hide her monstrous traits to deceive others. More recent works of media often depict monster girls neutrally, as merely another race of people, or positively, with their monstrous traits being a type of superpower they use to help others.
 

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storm1051787 also here's the definition:
A monster girl is a fictional trope of a girl or young woman who is or shares visual traits with a monster. ... such incarnations often have the woman hide her monstrous traits to deceive others. More recent works of media often depict monster girls neutrally, as merely another race of people, or positively, with their monstrous traits being a type of superpower they use to help others.
I already linked the definition of a monster girl earlier





" A monster girl is a fictional of a girl or young woman who is or shares visual traits with a . "




" ( and ) A fictional female character who shares visual with a . "




Monster Girls are a special type of where the character is a mix between a creature (both real and fictional) and a human







It's not about how they act and it has nothing to do with "mimicry" it's abouttheir apperance and not anything else. A monster in human form is not a monster girl. A werewolf in human form is not a monster girl. Both examples are the same as humans.
 

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" A monster girl is a fictional of a girl or young woman who is [ ] a . "
Monster Girls are a special type of where the character is a mix between a creature (both real and fictional) and a human
get the fuck outa here with this weeb shit! if tinkerer adds a female orc it won't be a pigwoman but a female of the currently existing orcs
It's not about how they act and it has nothing to do with "mimicry"
those are traits that define what's a monster..
"A monster is a type of imaginary creature found in fiction, folklore, mythology and religion. They are very often depicted as dangerous and aggressive, with a strange or grotesque appearance that causes terror and fear, often in humans. Monsters usually resemble bizarre, deformed, otherworldly and/or mutated animals or entirely unique creatures of varying sizes, but may also take a human form, such as mutants, ghosts, spirits, zombies, or cannibals, among other things. They may or may not have supernatural powers, but are usually capable of killing or causing some form of destruction, threatening the social or moral order of the human world in the process."
 

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storm1051787 also here's the definition:
A monster girl is a fictional trope of a girl or young woman who is or shares visual traits with a monster. ... such incarnations often have the woman hide her monstrous traits to deceive others. More recent works of media often depict monster girls neutrally, as merely another race of people, or positively, with their monstrous traits being a type of superpower they use to help others.

Your definition literally agrees with me. It highlights that it's about visual apperance, meanwhile having them hide their visual apperance is described as a trope that often involves their role in the story. It's not saying that what makes them a monster girl. It's just saying that's how they're typically introduced to the story.
 

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get the fuck outa here with this weeb shit! if tinkerer adds a female orc it won't be a pigwoman but a female of the currently existing orcs

those are traits that define what's a monster

Yeah and all the female orcs I've posted look human and is how theylook in these type of games 99% of the time. It's you who is faceblind and think theydont. It's not about behavior it's about apperance.
 
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Your definition literally agrees with me. It highlights that it's about visual apperance, meanwhile having them hide their visual apperance is described as a trope that often involves their role in the story. It's not saying that what makes them a monster girl. It's just saying that's how they're typically introduced to the story.
you;re blatantly igmoring this part "who is a monster"
 

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you;re blatantly igmoring this part "who is a monster"
Yeah, because I read the rest of the article. It's talking about apperance. When it says it is a "monster" they mean something that's outwardly monsterous or a human who looks like a monster. The part you underlined is just describing what is often their role in the story and isn't saying that what makes them a monster girl, which is why the other part says " More recent works of media often depict monster girls neutrally, as merely another of people"


Every definition and forum thread I can find agrees with me that it's about apperance. I don't understand why you are hung up on the idea that it's a behavior thing.

i stop reading after 3 messeges, hehe to much
And I personally wish it would stop. They don't agree with me and I really don't care that they don't agree. It doesn't change the fact that 90% of other people do agree with me.
 
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you;re blatantly igmoring this part "who is a monster"
Look man can you just accept that I use this definition



"A fictional female character who shares visual with a ."

To define them and that I don't consider orcs monster girls because they don't look monstrous enough TO ME. And look to much like elves and humans. I don't get why you are still arguing on something I've already said was subjective. You know you don't have to agree with me.
 

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"Tinkerers Update News"


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Hello there!

Guess it's about time for another quick progress report. Apart from some minor work on animations and cutscenes, I've mainly been working on the new maps and floorplans. And I'm happy to report that they are now all up and running. In the new update you'll finally be able to venture both futher into the city of Grey port as well as underneath it. Although don't expect too much in the way of NPC's to interact with for now. Populating the city will take some time.

Anyway, with the maps done I can finally start scripting the new quests. So that's probably what I will be focusing on next.

Have a great weekend!

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