RPGM Peasant's Quest [v3.75] [Tinkerer]

[storm1051787]

"Historically, media has depicted monstrous women as villains, or if not, then less monstrous than males of equivalent ability."
"The trope is historically used strictly negatively and antagonistically as a representation of an ugly, cruel, or deceitful woman; such incarnations often have the woman hide her monstrous traits to deceive others"

This is exactly what I just said. This is describing their role in the story. It's not saying that it's an ability monster girls have.

Just that they were often villains trying to trick the protagonist into letting their guard down, and then they reveal their true appearance. It's not saying that being a deceitful villain is enough to make a person a monster girl.

or if not, then less monstrous than males of equivalent ability."

Then this part is just saying monster girls look less monstrous than males of the same species in most cases. Example, Frankenstein's monster vs his bride.

 

[FunFuntomes]

Just that they were often villains trying to trick the protagonist into letting their guard down, and they reveal their true apperance. It's not saying that being a deceitful villain is enough to make a person a monster girl.

it is enough when said deeption is said monster girl's inate ability..

but going back to the orcs... the orcs in PQ are nothing but monsters so, since she'd be sharing visual characteristics with th em, a she-orc would be a monster girl.

 

[DomWolf]

her vidow veil ontrigues me, is she mourning Roderick or is that just her disguise?

She has an almost nun-like vibe IMO so mabey it's a disguise? She also could be morning Roderick which would be interesting.

 

[storm1051787]

it is enough when said deeption is said monster girl's inate ability..

but going back to the orcs... the orcs in PQ are nothing but monsters so, since she'd be sharing visual characteristics with th em, a she-orc would be a monster girl.

It doesn't say anything about deception being their ability. Read what it actually says

"such incarnations often have the woman hide her monstrous traits to deceive others"

It doesn't say how they hide their monstrous traits and it even say they don't all do it. This is their role in the story, that it's describing. But it's not saying they have a magical ability to hide their appearance, they could even be hiding their appearance using a simple cloak and mask.


First sentence is saying what the phrase means, second is describing how they are typically used narratively. Third sentence is saying that modern works tend to use them differently narratively. Fourth sentence is saying where they are most common.

 

[PhineasFlynn]

Could this be the infamous Cath? Nice to put a face to the name at last!

I dont know who is she. Like you said, should be Cath
But Im pretty sure the left one is Přemek Forejt, Czech chef and wanna be TV star

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Yeah, I know you can't read the name. Only Czechs can pronounce "Ř"

 

[FunFuntomes]

hide her monstrous traits to deceive others"

that's the mimicry i mentioned earlier

 

[FunFuntomes]

She has an almost nun-like vibe IMO so mabey it's a disguise?

it's just a noblewoman's cloack, her dress has a nice cleavage

She also could be morning Roderick which would be interesting.

it will certainly be an interesting encounter

 

[FunFuntomes]

Show me where it used the word ability.

"Historically, media has depicted monstrous women as villains, or if not, then less monstrous than males of equivalent ability

 

[storm1051787]

"Historically, media has depicted monstrous women as villains, or if not, then less monstrous than males of equivalent ability

So, you're arguing that they have less ability? Notice that this doesn't mention anything about deception. Like I said earlier it's saying that they look less monstrous than males of the same type. It's not saying they have abilities. You're trying to combine two different sentences with two different meanings to try to make your argument.

 

[FunFuntomes]

So, you're arguing that they have less ability? Notice that this doesn't mention anything about deception. Like I said earlier it's saying that they look less monstrous than males of the same type. It's not saying they have abilities. You're trying to combine two different sentences with two different meanings to try to make your argument.

you say that monster girls have visual traits in common with monsters, I'm simply referencing what makes a onster...from the monster article :They may or may not have supernatural powers, but are usually capable of killing or causing some form of destruction, threatening the social or moral order of the human world in the process.

 

[FunFuntomes]

storm1051787 let's dial it back.. look at this chart and tell me at what stage it becomes a monster girl..

 

[storm1051787]

you say that monster girls have visual traits in common with monsters, I'm simply referencing what makes a onster...from the monster article :They may or may not have supernatural powers, but are usually capable of killing or causing some form of destruction, threatening the social or moral order of the human world in the process.

If you acknowledge that it's about visual traits, why are you mentioning ability? You're still trying to tie into the idea that it's a monster who is a girl instead of a monstrous girl.

storm1051787 let's dial it back.. look at this chart and tell me at what stage it becomes a monster girl..
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Stage 2. Everi's daughter is closer to stage 1.

 

[FunFuntomes]

If you acknowledge that it's about visual traits, why are you mentioning ability? You're still trying to tie into the idea that it's a monster who is a girl instead of a monstrous girl.

because to share visual traits with a monster saidmonster girl must be the female equivalent of a monster

Stage 2.

wrong..as all those characteristics are animal and not monsrous

 

[FunFuntomes]

That doesn't really make any sense, there could be multiple reasons for sharing visual traits. Unless they have the same origin they wouldn't be the same type of monster . Male and female members of a species could also have different traits due to sexual dimorphism.


It's not wrong, it's completely subjective what someone considers outwardly monstrous. Are werewolves not monsters now?

what is your definition of a werewolf?

 

[FunFuntomes]

look at those 2... the first is a girl with wolf traits,not a monster girl.. the second is a female werewolf ergo a monster girl

 

[storm1051787]

what is your definition of a werewolf?

A human who can turn into either a wolf or a wolf human hybrid, often as a result of some curse and typically involuntarily.

 

[FunFuntomes]

and typically involuntarily.

and often voluntarly... have you seen the movie "dog soldiers" ? was the woman that lured the soldiers into the ottage a werewolf in human form or a human?

 

[FunFuntomes]

A lot of stories involving werewolves are about trying to fine ways to break the curse

even more, especially fantasy are about rolling with it and causing as much damage as possible..
but I'll be the better man and end thispointkess debate since you'd just move the goal postd and find a definition that suits your needs.. I also feel the need to remind you that mrs miller won't be on the menu

 

[AdamEve9]

ah i see this game is a LOT of hard work. with a few goodies thrown in as incentive. sigh. not sure i have the energy.

i dont mean it is not well designed, clearlyi a lot of work went in. but well sigh

 

[FunFuntomes]

with a few goodies

a shitton of goodies