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Its a very very valid critism and if you feel like you got robed of your time that feels wasting because of a design flaw. i even will report it to tinkerer due it feels bad indeed.

but the '' Dont @ me'' was bit immature, due its bait for a response. if you feel things should be changed or valid feedback on certain situations that feels there isnt a way back, just report them to me in DM if you want.

All feedback is welcome , the good and the bad. Personaly i just dont want to have the thread turn in to throwing mud from one to the other, and prevent that people will start doing the same to people in the Sins thread.
I obviously enjoyed this game enough to sink consecutive hours into it. That’s what annoyed me so much. I don’t want to get NTRed simply because I wasn’t properly informed, nor was I able to change my plan once I was fully aware of the situation. If you aren’t meant to be aware of Grug’s presence, which I completely understand, there should be a third option: “We’ll come back better prepared.” If you choose to negotiate, there should be another option available now that you have been completely informed of the circumstances: “We should come back better prepared.” Once you have made that decision, you should be free to wander the map as usual: to go to Greyport, to visit the well, or whatever else you need to do to resolve the situation. After all, roleplaying games are about putting yourself in those characters’ shoes, and if I weren’t able to defeat a dangerous foe but knew that magical potions existed and would likely make the fight winnable, then I would go and acquire them. Given that, it should be an option.
 
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I obviously enjoyed this game enough to sink consecutive hours into it. That’s what annoyed me so much. I don’t want to get NTRed simply because I wasn’t properly informed, nor was I able to change my plan once I was fully aware of the situation. If you aren’t meant to be aware of Grug’s presence, which I completely understand, there should be a third option: “We’ll come back better prepared.” If you choose to negotiate, there should be another option available now that you have been completely informed of the circumstances: “We should come back better prepared.” Once you have made that decision, you should be free to wander the map as usual: to go to Greyport, to visit the well, or whatever else you need to do to resolve the situation. After all, roleplaying games are about putting yourself in those characters’ shoes, and if I weren’t able to defeat a dangerous foe but knew that magical potions existed and would likely make the fight winnable, then I would go and acquire them. Given that, it should be an option.
maybe I shouldn't have dismissed your cliams as skill issue, but did you quit the game because of the encounter with grug?
 
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maybe I shouldn't have dismissed your cliams as skill issue, but did you quit the game because of the encounter with grug?
I will regrind and properly prepare before I go, as I would have done had it been possible after I learned of his existence. Given that I saved several times after the priestess joined my party, I now need to restart entirely. I won’t lie; it does anger me somewhat.
 
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I will regrind and properly prepare before I go, as I would have done had it been possible after I learned of his existence. Given that I saved several times after the priestess joined my party, I now need to restart entirely. I won’t lie; it does anger me somewhat.
by the time you face Grug, one should have already learned o prepare for the unexpected. besides you should already have magic to help you with the fight
 
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by the time you face Grug, one should have already learned o prepare for the unexpected. besides you should already have magic to help you with the fight
I agree, I really should've had the potions on me regardless of whether I thought I needed them or not. That was foolish of me. I did find one of your earlier posts, regarding the Grug encounter, in which you advise to seek out Erevi before even breaking Zivah's curse. This is what I plan to do now, as I am hopefully properly informed myself this time. :ROFLMAO:
 

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I agree, I really should've had the potions on me regardless of whether I thought I needed them or not. That was foolish of me. I did find one of your earlier posts, regarding the Grug encounter, in which you advise to seek out Erevi before even breaking Zivah's curse. This is what I plan to do now, as I am hopefully properly informed myself this time. :ROFLMAO:
plus potions shouldn't be available till you find the chalice, buying potions in greyport is an oversight on Tinkerer's part
 

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I obviously enjoyed this game enough to sink consecutive hours into it. That’s what annoyed me so much. I don’t want to get NTRed simply because I wasn’t properly informed, nor was I able to change my plan once I was fully aware of the situation. If you aren’t meant to be aware of Grug’s presence, which I completely understand, there should be a third option: “We’ll come back better prepared.” If you choose to negotiate, there should be another option available now that you have been completely informed of the circumstances: “We should come back better prepared.” Once you have made that decision, you should be free to wander the map as usual: to go to Greyport, to visit the well, or whatever else you need to do to resolve the situation. After all, roleplaying games are about putting yourself in those characters’ shoes, and if I weren’t able to defeat a dangerous foe but knew that magical potions existed and would likely make the fight winnable, then I would go and acquire them. Given that, it should be an option.
All very valid points, the only defence I can give is it was early days in Tinkerer's first & only dev endeavour. Hes gotten better, not perfect, but better in the later stuff.
 

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I had no potions of any kind on me, at all. Then whatsherface got herself killed and he out DPSed me. :cry:
plus potions shouldn't be available till you find the chalice, buying potions in greyport is an oversight on Tinkerer's part
The shop was added to Greyport in a very late stage update, most likley in response to people complaining of nowhere to buy potions. It's still out the way from the early game so unless you know about it you're probably not realise its avalable.

As M3ntir said, he & FunFuntomes, are both mods for Tinkerer's discord so anything that you feel can be added or changed to improve the game can reach Tinkerer through them or his Discord.

Honestly while I hate NTR I usually let Grug do Ziva cos at this early stage theres no real relationship with her & MC, & I just cant be bothered to fight him. Used to be able to kill Grug outright but Tinkerer has a soft spot for the character & decided to remove that option, so you just beat him to a pulp & Ziva has you spare him now.
 

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I agree, I really should've had the potions on me regardless of whether I thought I needed them or not.
Always best to be prepared in this game. First time I went down the well in "Trouble At The Well" not really knowing what to expect (even though the game kinda warned be to prep first) I was absolutely reemed by them lil fucks!

Seriously I HATE Grumpkins!
 

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Always best to be prepared in this game. First time I went down the well in "Trouble At The Well" not really knowing what to expect (even though the game kinda warned be to prep first) I was absolutely reemed by them lil fucks!

Seriously I HATE Grumpkins!
I ran out of stamina when fighting the orcs in the temple and had to fight them exhausted
 

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Tinkerer said that indeed in the old stuff some issues are hard to fix, but he will check if there is way to go backwords abit. issue is if you go places where you shoundt go with the party than more can break. ((keep in mind its 1 man making, its not the biggest excuse but it its one)) . And yes start is way more trail and error than the later parts of the game due Tinkerer learned to new things and have better scripts in place.

And most NTR-stuff have a warning now or a different route to avoid the scene.

side advice that sounds bit mean, you got 23 save slots (24 is auto save if you have it enabled), try to use them :)
so you never go to far and dont have a back up
 
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