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Ok, i wanted to make sure that the appearition was completely random. After you had 5 children in the temple.
If I wanted, I could have done it in my current save. But I didn't want to miss the quest: Spread the Good Word. Which I don't have in the other save. But which I did have in my super old save. So I reloaded a backup from a couple of hours earlier. I just had to redo two or three small quests in the goblin area. Because the three ladies in the temple needed four days to give birth to their new babies. So i took the opportunity to repeat the same steps I'd done in the other save.
So when the 20th day arrived, the three ladie give birth. I had again :LOL: 7 children. 6 if I don't count the first child Alice gave birth to. So i had to sleep. It's automatic, the apparition appeared for the first time. Since I had five or more children in the temple, anyway. This is where the hard part of the journey came. Because, as Damagus01 here says:

The 5+ children must be conceived in the Temple. Alice's first child does not count for that.

The apparition in the hallway is separate (and earlier) from "For The Cause," foreshadowing later events. :)
The apparition appearing by your bed is, I believe, a daily chance once the prerequisites are met rather than automatically when you sleep at the Temple. It can take a while for both times to happen. I believe the second time also has to happen on a different day than the first one, try that if you haven't done it already.
I can confirm that the first time is automatic. As soon as you have five or more children, the apparition occurs.
But it becomes difficult the second time... To make the apparition appear a second time, well, as I said and as Damagus01 believe, everything becomes random. The only important thing, however, is one: it must obviously be a different day.
After that, you can save in front of the bed. Sleep and hope the apparition arrives. If it doesn't, reload the save and try again. Alternatively, try sleeping and use up more than one day. In my case, the first time I tried, i sleeping for almost 10 days. But nothing. I reloaded the game and tried again. Another 10 days and still nothing. In the third case, on the 2nd day, this time the apparition appeared. And when I went to talk to Ziva, she gave me the quest: Spread the Good Word. I'd missed in the other save.

Randomness is really a bad thing, guys. I hope Tinkerer fixes this. After all, once you have five kids, I don't see why it has to be so random. At least now I can move on with the other quests. Because they won't be blocked by the apparition. Since many of them require the apparition to appear twice at the foot of the bed...

Moving on, new advice :LOL:
I hope Tinkerer adds more new armor to the protagonist, aesthetically speaking :ROFLMAO:
Sad that the dragon armor doesn't change the aesthetic :cry:
I don't know how many of you noticed, but outside the mill in Weirdwood, there's a knight in white armor with gold embroidery and a blue cape. It would be nice if there were two variants, a white one with gold embroidery and a blue cape and a black one with gold embroidery and a red cape.
Both variations would be cute without the helmet. As cool as it is, I think it's more stylish to see the hair blowing in the wind :LOL:
 

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Nice, I was going to try it this evening. :)
Randomness is really a bad thing, guys.
I don't think randomness is bad, even for this situation. But maybe it could be revised to a cumulative chance similar to Shakala? She has a cumulative 1/6 chance of having a girl for each pregnancy after you complete "The Gobln King." (Assuming you have Spicy installed, of course.) So the second appearance wouldn't be automatic, but shouldn't take 10+ sleeps to happen. ;)
Moving on, new advice :LOL:
I hope Tinkerer adds more new armor to the protagonist, aesthetically speaking :ROFLMAO:
Sad that the dragon armor doesn't change the aesthetic :cry:
Even keeping the same design but giving it a green tint would make it distinctive. The visual appearance of NPCs isn't an issue for me; I'd reserve that for "tidying things up" after the game is "finished."
 

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Nice, I was going to try it this evening. :)

I don't think randomness is bad, even for this situation. But maybe it could be revised to a cumulative chance similar to Shakala? She has a cumulative 1/6 chance of having a girl for each pregnancy after you complete "The Gobln King." (Assuming you have Spicy installed, of course.) So the second appearance wouldn't be automatic, but shouldn't take 10+ sleeps to happen. ;)

Even keeping the same design but giving it a green tint would make it distinctive. The visual appearance of NPCs isn't an issue for me; I'd reserve that for "tidying things up" after the game is "finished."
For the design If you look closely, the knight's armor near the mill is practically identical to the full plate.
I took two screenshot just to show the models, I removed the helmet and put the cloak that we receive during one of Frida and Hilda's quests. Once equipped, this is visible on the character's appearance. Except that it's creamy white in color and doesn't show much on the shoulders :ROFLMAO:
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It's just that the colors are different. In me past comment i say white, but perhaps is gray with golden embroidery and a blue cape. Also i notice different npc with full plate armor.
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But with some greenish color in some part of the armor. That model would be perfect for the dragon armor. Now that i think about it. So the only thing Tinkerer needs to do is change the color scheme. But I understand that the important thing is to finish the game first. But if he find the time, it's always a little extra that enhances the game.
 

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Hi guys it's me again :LOL:
I could use some more help. Although I don't know if your can help me now.

Obeah
Quest: Prove Your Love
Activation requirements: Complete the quest “Escapee”. Obeah's affection must be zero.
Location: Goblin Stronghold
You find Obeah is missing again. She can be jealous and become angry if neglected. If her affection reaches 0, she will pack up and leave. Head back to the black goblin fortress and fight through her zombie guards to prove your love to her. The first time you complete this mission you unlock its final scenes. She will still continue to run away every time her affection hits rock bottom, forcing you to repeat the mission if you want her back.

Here's my problem... Since there are so many women in the game, and affection degrades too quickly to keep up with them all, I started using the cheat mod (I only use it on the affection). As i say I blocked the degradation on affection.
But to do this quest, you need to lower Obeah's affection to 0. So I thought: I'll make a backup, use RPG Maker Edition, go to variables, find Obeah's affection (variable 684:Affobeah 50), and i set it to 0.
I reload the game, and Obeah has no more hearts, so her affection is at 0. But when I enter the room, Obeah is still there... nothing happens. Can someone tell me if I should change anything else in the variables? Or is it, as always, a random thing, that when I go to sleep the next day, Obeah is no longer there? Just to understand. Otherwise, I'll have to reuse the backup and forget about this one. Because the last thing I want is to diminish the affection of all the women, just for Obeah... Unless you don't know an alternative way to help me.

Thank you
 
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Hi guys it's me again :LOL:
I could use some more help. Although I don't know if your can help me now.

Obeah
Quest: Prove Your Love
Activation requirements: Complete the quest “Escapee”. Obeah's affection must be zero.
Location: Goblin Stronghold
You find Obeah is missing again. She can be jealous and become angry if neglected. If her affection reaches 0, she will pack up and leave. Head back to the black goblin fortress and fight through her zombie guards to prove your love to her. The first time you complete this mission you unlock its final scenes. She will still continue to run away every time her affection hits rock bottom, forcing you to repeat the mission if you want her back.

Here's my problem... Since there are so many women in the game, and affection degrades too quickly to keep up with them all, I started using the cheat mod (I only use it on the affection). As i say I blocked the degradation on affection.
But to do this quest, you need to lower Obeah's affection to 0. So I thought: I'll make a backup, use RPG Maker Edition, go to variables, find Obeah's affection (variable 684:Affobeah 50), and i set it to 0.
I reload the game, and Obeah has no more hearts, so her affection is at 0. But when I enter the room, Obeah is still there... nothing happens. Can someone tell me if I should change anything else in the variables? Or is it, as always, a random thing, that when I go to sleep the next day, Obeah is no longer there? Just to understand. Otherwise, I'll have to reuse the backup and forget about this one. Because the last thing I want is to diminish the affection of all the women, just for Obeah... Unless you don't know an alternative way to help me.

Thank you
U didn't need to do that. Obeah is the ONLY LI that is not affected by the Affection Cheat because of her repeatable quest. So go back to you're earlier save, turn on the cheat & just leave her to get pissy.
 
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U didn't need to do that. Obeah is the ONLY LI that is not affected by the Affection Cheat because of her repeatable quest. So go back to you're earlier save, turn on the cheat & just leave her to get pissy.
Lol, I didn't know it was the only one with such a specific mechanic.
Thank you
 
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Hi guys it's me again :LOL:
I could use some more help. Although I don't know if your can help me now.
.....
Here's my problem... Since there are so many women in the game, and affection degrades too quickly to keep up with them all, I started using the cheat mod (I only use it on the affection). As i say I blocked the degradation on affection.
But to do this quest, you need to lower Obeah's affection to 0. So I thought: I'll make a backup, use RPG Maker Edition, go to variables, find Obeah's affection (variable 684:Affobeah 50), and i set it to 0.
I reload the game, and Obeah has no more hearts, so her affection is at 0. But when I enter the room, Obeah is still there... nothing happens. Can someone tell me if I should change anything else in the variables? Or is it, as always, a random thing, that when I go to sleep the next day, Obeah is no longer there? Just to understand. Otherwise, I'll have to reuse the backup and forget about this one. Because the last thing I want is to diminish the affection of all the women, just for Obeah... Unless you don't know an alternative way to help me.
DomWolf beat me to it. Turn on the cheat and just don't bang Obeah for an extended period.

Even without the Cheat almost all the LIs have a 15-day "grace period" before they begin losing Affection. Obeah is an outlier, bang her every 5 days or else. Luthien & Venomina don't have a grace period but lose it at a slower rate. The BB "pet" doesn't lose Affection, ever; maybe the Imp as well, haven't tested that. A couple, like Maghda, have individualized needs that can impact Affection. The vampires don't have Affection at all...they like the MC but they're, y'know, vampires. Even with 3.75 you can set a routine that sees all the girls within their "grace periods" (even Obeah's), gives Luthien & Venomina what they need to restore Affection, sleeps with the ones who need that to reset their "grace period", and still has some extra time for other stuff without most LIs ever losing Affection at all. But, it IS a routine and a lot of players aren't interested in that.

A gift+sex+sleep earns a fair amount of Affection. Doing that restores most LIs to max Affection even after going 20 days without seeing them, or longer for some. You can give some LIs certain gifts that earn a lot of Affection, letting you go even longer between seeing them if you like. And you can always use Awe on them.

The next update is introducing multiple LIs. Dunno yet if a routine will be possible after they're in play, but gift+sex+sleep should still work.
 

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DomWolf beat me to it. Turn on the cheat and just don't bang Obeah for an extended period.

Even without the Cheat almost all the LIs have a 15-day "grace period" before they begin losing Affection. Obeah is an outlier, bang her every 5 days or else. Luthien & Venomina don't have a grace period but lose it at a slower rate. The BB "pet" doesn't lose Affection, ever; maybe the Imp as well, haven't tested that. A couple, like Maghda, have individualized needs that can impact Affection. The vampires don't have Affection at all...they like the MC but they're, y'know, vampires. Even with 3.75 you can set a routine that sees all the girls within their "grace periods" (even Obeah's), gives Luthien & Venomina what they need to restore Affection, sleeps with the ones who need that to reset their "grace period", and still has some extra time for other stuff without most LIs ever losing Affection at all. But, it IS a routine and a lot of players aren't interested in that.

A gift+sex+sleep earns a fair amount of Affection. Doing that restores most LIs to max Affection even after going 20 days without seeing them, or longer for some. You can give some LIs certain gifts that earn a lot of Affection, letting you go even longer between seeing them if you like. And you can always use Awe on them.

The next update is introducing multiple LIs. Dunno yet if a routine will be possible after they're in play, but gift+sex+sleep should still work.
When you say vampire don't have Affection, you mean that in the book of girl, the heart does not appear and does not increase?
Because I'm just now noticing that the three vampires don't have hearts in the book, and I was actually wondering if it was because I spent too little time with them or not. I managed to have one child each with them, and now all three are pregnant again. But as I said, I don't see any hearts in their info.
So just to understand, the three vampire in the book of girl no hearts?


Also, there's something I noticed, a detail that raises a few questions for me.
It concerns the couple Tom and Jenny.

During Jenny and Tom's quest. As per the guide, I made Jenny want to have children with me rather than her husband. So I impregnated Jenny, who had a son (MC's son). Continuing with Jenny, I then started giving Tom fake potions so he'd let me have sex with Jenny. Jenny got pregnant again, this time with a girl. As the two children grew up, initially when they spoke they'd say "dadda?". Now the girl and the boy says "uncle?" But then when I talk to them again, they says, "How strange, you have black hair like me!" So I noticed that both the boy and the girl both have black hair. I assume they inherited it from the protagonist. Also because the third child was born with black hair too and first say: dadda? Then: uncle and then, the story about the say hair color.
So I assume Jenny hasn't told the children who their real father is? This is to prevent Tom from finding out the kids aren't his. Right?

But at this point, I wonder. If I had given Tom a real potion, and then always used a Barrenness potion, would Jenny still have gotten pregnant and the children would have had a different hair color? In this case blonde hair like Tom?
Has anyone ever tried to see how this turns out?

Another curiosity concerns Qetesh.

During the main storyline involving Qetesh. The protagonist will eventually obtain his mother's ring from his father. Through Ziva, we discover that if equipped in the temple, it will reveal that the apparition "Qetesh" is actually the protagonist's mother. In fact, when the protagonist puts on the ring and sees the apparition, he says, "Mom." And she hugs him.
At this point, however, I'm a little confused. Why is it that during the Quest: Wandering Spirit, when Qetesh appears and invites the MC to the fountain, he never calls her "Mom"? But Qetesh? When she later invites the MC again, the word Qetesh does not appear again in the dialogue, but not even once does he say Mother/Mom.
So if i equip the mother's ring, the MC call the apparition Mom. But at the fountain, he call her Qetesh.
Is it a dialogue error? Or has Tinkerer not fixed it yet, when you have the game with the incest patch enabled?
Of course, if in that case, I read it wrong, correct me, but I remember reading Qetesh.

Thank you
 
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When you say vampire don't have Affection, you mean that in the book of girl, the heart does not appear and does not increase?
Because I'm just now noticing that the three vampires don't have hearts in the book, and I was actually wondering if it was because I spent too little time with them or not. I managed to have one child each with them, and now all three are pregnant again. But as I said, I don't see any hearts in their info.
So just to understand, the three vampire in the book of girl no hearts?
They just don't have Affection hearts at all. Nothing to worry about.

Also, there's something I noticed, a detail that raises a few questions for me.
It concerns the couple Tom and Jenny.

During Jenny and Tom's quest. As per the guide, I made Jenny want to have children with me rather than her husband. So I impregnated Jenny, who had a son (MC's son). Continuing with Jenny, I then started giving Tom fake potions so he'd let me have sex with Jenny. Jenny got pregnant again, this time with a girl. As the two children grew up, initially when they spoke they'd say "dadda?". Now the girl and the boy says "uncle?" But then when I talk to them again, they says, "How strange, you have black hair like me!" So I noticed that both the boy and the girl both have black hair. I assume they inherited it from the protagonist. Also because the third child was born with black hair too and first say: dadda? Then: uncle and then, the story about the say hair color.
So I assume Jenny hasn't told the children who their real father is? This is to prevent Tom from finding out the kids aren't his. Right?

But at this point, I wonder. If I had given Tom a real potion, and then always used a Barrenness potion, would Jenny still have gotten pregnant and the children would have had a different hair color? In this case blonde hair like Tom?
Has anyone ever tried to see how this turns out?
The dark hair is supposed to represent they are in fact MC's children. The "infant" children appear to not have had their unique sentences added compared ro the grown kids you call u uncle. They are under the impression Tom is their dad & you are "uncle" but perceptive folk like Victoria can see the resemblance easily.

There is 0% chance of Tom ever getting Jenny pregnant. It's just not possible. Also while Jenny keeps Tom on the leash with "his" kids but I think Tom is in denial/aware he's not the dad. My reason for this theory is Jenny isn't always subtle as she will literally ask MC to impregnate her while Tom us still in the room as she co-cums alongside MC...


Another curiosity concerns Qetesh.

During the main storyline involving Qetesh. The protagonist will eventually obtain his mother's ring from his father. Through Ziva, we discover that if equipped in the temple, it will reveal that the apparition "Qetesh" is actually the protagonist's mother. In fact, when the protagonist puts on the ring and sees the apparition, he says, "Mom." And she hugs him.
At this point, however, I'm a little confused. Why is it that during the Quest: Wandering Spirit, when Qetesh appears and invites the MC to the fountain, he never calls her "Mom"? But Qetesh? When she later invites the MC again, the word Qetesh does not appear again in the dialogue, but not even once does he say Mother/Mom.
So if i equip the mother's ring, the MC call the apparition Mom. But at the fountain, he call her Qetesh.
Is it a dialogue error? Or has Tinkerer not fixed it yet, when you have the game with the incest patch enabled?
Of course, if in that case, I read it wrong, correct me, but I remember reading Qetesh.

Thank you
Not too sure but at the end of the day MC either knows Qetedh is his mother, but hasn't fully come to full terms with the fact. If you ment you're mum for the first time after 20 years you may be more inclined to call her by her name as it would feel more appropriate(?)

That or as we know MC isn't always the brightest bulb. Mabey he hasn't fully realised his "ghost" mum & Qetesh are the same people...

Could be either or both lol
 
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Not too sure but at the end of the day MC either knows Qetedh is his mother, but hasn't fully come to full terms with the fact. If you ment you're mum for the first time after 20 years you may be more inclined to call her by her name as it would feel more appropriate(?)

That or as we know MC isn't always the brightest bulb. Mabey he hasn't fully realised his "ghost" mum & Qetesh are the same people...

Could be either or both lol
lol actually, it could be just like that. Maybe he hasn't realized it yet. Or maybe it's because the quests aren't always placed in chronological order. Given the recent changes to some quests, perhaps when the game is complete and Tinkerer has made the final changes, the text comprehension will be different :LOL:
 
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During the mission to find the dragon egg, I led that female goblin fairy to a bridge when we met a bat. After I hit the bat, I forgot to look back for her. I don't know if she ran away or died. This place was overwritten and no turning back was allowed in the game. I just walked straight away without thinking. I don't really like the goblin fairy character. But I want to know if the result of doing so will affect the main plot or disrupt the subsequent tasks.
 

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Ok... this time is Beth time who confusing me :LOL:

First of all, I've never installed the bestiality mod. Only the incest one. But I installed the cheat mod, and if I remember correctly, it only activates incest, right?

The guide/walkthrough is a bit dated in some places. Beth's story is still told only from the perspective of the active Bestiality. But in my case, I didn't see any of that, since I didn't even download and install the Gnome mod (Bestiality).
The only things i see when i spy on her was when she takes semen from the horse to sell. And even then, i don't see anything. Luckily for me, since I don't like that kind of bestiality.
Spying on her a second time, i see her masturbating on some hay all by herself. Anyway, I'd put Beth on hold because I'd rather do other quests first.

Now, though, I'm almost at the point where I have to do them. The last quest I did for Beth was where I helped her father quit drinking. Now Gabriel is outside the temple. And from then on, to thank me, Beth started seeing us in a different light and started a relationship with the MC.
Where I transformed into a centaur with the protagonist :ROFLMAO: and then finally had sex with her in the barn for the first time.
She told me not to come inside her because she doesn't want to get pregnant. So I did, avoiding getting her pregnant.

This is where my confusion begins. I went back to Beth for the new quests. Since I had put her quests on hold. And to do the new one, Beth must have been pregnant for at least 5 days. So I go to her and the game asks me if I want to go for a ride with her, or stay in the stable. Ofc i choice the stable. Here the game gives me two choices. A new one I've never seen before: whether to use a Potion of Phallus Giganticus or do it naturally.

If I use the potion, she says something that makes no sense. Please don't come inside me, I don't want to get pregnant again? When again? Did I miss some piece of the story somewhere? Who would have impregnated her? In the book of girl, she has never been pregnant and has no children.
If I try to have normal sex, she says, "Oh yes! Human cock felt so good!" Again, I feel a little confused. What are she referring to with this statement? Can anyone give me any more info? These anomalies aren't part of the cheat mod, right?

Thank you
 

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Ok... this time is Beth time who confusing me :LOL:

First of all, I've never installed the bestiality mod. Only the incest one. But I installed the cheat mod, and if I remember correctly, it only activates incest, right?

The guide/walkthrough is a bit dated in some places. Beth's story is still told only from the perspective of the active Bestiality. But in my case, I didn't see any of that, since I didn't even download and install the Gnome mod (Bestiality).
The only things i see when i spy on her was when she takes semen from the horse to sell. And even then, i don't see anything. Luckily for me, since I don't like that kind of bestiality.
Spying on her a second time, i see her masturbating on some hay all by herself. Anyway, I'd put Beth on hold because I'd rather do other quests first.

Now, though, I'm almost at the point where I have to do them. The last quest I did for Beth was where I helped her father quit drinking. Now Gabriel is outside the temple. And from then on, to thank me, Beth started seeing us in a different light and started a relationship with the MC.
Where I transformed into a centaur with the protagonist :ROFLMAO: and then finally had sex with her in the barn for the first time.
She told me not to come inside her because she doesn't want to get pregnant. So I did, avoiding getting her pregnant.

This is where my confusion begins. I went back to Beth for the new quests. Since I had put her quests on hold. And to do the new one, Beth must have been pregnant for at least 5 days. So I go to her and the game asks me if I want to go for a ride with her, or stay in the stable. Ofc i choice the stable. Here the game gives me two choices. A new one I've never seen before: whether to use a Potion of Phallus Giganticus or do it naturally.

If I use the potion, she says something that makes no sense. Please don't come inside me, I don't want to get pregnant again? When again? Did I miss some piece of the story somewhere? Who would have impregnated her? In the book of girl, she has never been pregnant and has no children.
If I try to have normal sex, she says, "Oh yes! Human cock felt so good!" Again, I feel a little confused. What are she referring to with this statement? Can anyone give me any more info? These anomalies aren't part of the cheat mod, right?

Thank you
It's a scripting error. Just ignore it & play as normal.
 
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During the mission to find the dragon egg, I led that female goblin fairy to a bridge when we met a bat. After I hit the bat, I forgot to look back for her. I don't know if she ran away or died. This place was overwritten and no turning back was allowed in the game. I just walked straight away without thinking. I don't really like the goblin fairy character. But I want to know if the result of doing so will affect the main plot or disrupt the subsequent tasks.
Her ghost should be available in the Goblin Valley to reset her death IIRC.
 
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