DomWolf

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So in a way it's now difficult to get and finish these three quests in sequence?
Quest: Go Forth and Multiply -> Quest: Spread the Good Word -> Quest: Forsaken?

Except I purposely don't go to the tavern earlier than expected. Because it seems like Oksane appears there as soon as you have five children now. And not, as the guide says: Activation requirements: Must have completed the quest “Go Forth and Multiply”. You must have lied to Oksana after defeating Master.

Another problem I'm wondering now is how do I activate Quest 174: Wandering Spirit? Since I have to do the Quest: Mouths to Feed to do that? And to activate Mouths to Feed, I need the apparition to appear twice at the foot of the bed. And to do that, as I said, the game says I need to have at least five children in the temple. And I have seven or six, if the first one can't be counted. And that's what confuses me now.
Should be fine. Do "A Friend In Need" & you'll be sent with Oksana to do "Mouths To Feed".
 

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So in a way it's now difficult to get and finish these three quests in sequence?
Quest: Go Forth and Multiply -> Quest: Spread the Good Word -> Quest: Forsaken?

Except I purposely don't go to the tavern earlier than expected. Because it seems like Oksane appears there as soon as you have five children now. And not, as the guide says: Activation requirements: Must have completed the quest “Go Forth and Multiply”. You must have lied to Oksana after defeating Master.

Another problem I'm wondering now is how do I activate Quest 174: Wandering Spirit? Since I have to do the Quest: Mouths to Feed to do that? And to activate Mouths to Feed, I need the apparition to appear twice at the foot of the bed. And to do that, as I said, the game says I need to have at least five children in the temple. And I have seven or six, if the first one can't be counted. And that's what confuses me now.
IIRC "Spread The Good Word" and "Forsaken" now start when you talk to Ziva after the second bedside apparition. Haven't actually replayed that part since the change to "Go Forth And Multiply."
 
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Should be fine. Do "A Friend In Need" & you'll be sent with Oksana to do "Mouths To Feed".
I don't recall "A Friend In Need" and that phrase isn't coming up when I CTRL+F the walkthroughs. Maybe the wrong quest title?
 

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I thought that was the name of the quest after "Forsaken"? Or mabey I have gotten confused?
"Mouths To Feed" is the next Temple quest after "Spread The Good Word" and "Forsaken" are completed. Were you thinking of someone specific as the "Friend In Need?"
 

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IIRC "Spread The Good Word" and "Forsaken" now start when you talk to Ziva after the second bedside apparition. Haven't actually replayed that part since the change to "Go Forth And Multiply."
That's the problem. Forsaken appeared to me before the apparition appeared for the second time at the foot of the bed.
To be precise: i am doing this quest "Go Forth And Multiply."
I have 7 or 6 child in the temple. (7 if we count Alice's first child). Anyway with 6 child, the apparition only show one time at the foot of the bed. And during the exploration, when I entered the tavern, Oksane was already there and the MC took her to the temple right after. Without Ziva giving me the quest "Spread The Good Word".
So it's like I missed a quest. I'm trying to reload my game and sleep in the temple, hoping the apparition will sit on the edge of the bed again. So I can see it twice. But I think I'll have to reload my backup. And have to play through two hours again...
 

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That's the problem. Forsaken appeared to me before the apparition appeared for the second time at the foot of the bed.
To be precise: i am doing this quest "Go Forth And Multiply."
I have 7 or 6 child in the temple. (7 if we count Alice's first child). Anyway with 6 child, the apparition only show one time at the foot of the bed. And during the exploration, when I entered the tavern, Oksane was already there and the MC took her to the temple right after. Without Ziva giving me the quest "Spread The Good Word".
So it's like I missed a quest. I'm trying to reload my game and sleep in the temple, hoping the apparition will sit on the edge of the bed again. So I can see it twice. But I think I'll have to reload my backup. And have to play through two hours again...
I don't believe u NEED the second apparition bed visit before that anymore. I believe you should be good.
 
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Hi Guys
i'm stuck on Dragon eggs ...
specifically 3rd part of the quest when you visit eggs and orcs should attack ... doesn't matter what i do i cannot get that attack ... any help would be appreciated
 

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Hi Guys
i'm stuck on Dragon eggs ...
specifically 3rd part of the quest when you visit eggs and orcs should attack ... doesn't matter what i do i cannot get that attack ... any help would be appreciated
You must have Obeah as a second wife. 95+% certain she has to *not* currently be a runaway to trigger it.

FYI the eggnappers are goblins rather than orcs. Tinkerer seems to be reserving orcs where possible. (And the eggnappers are the last goblin variety shown in the game to get a female... ;) )
 

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You must have Obeah as a second wife. 95+% certain she has to *not* currently be a runaway to trigger it.

FYI the eggnappers are goblins rather than orcs. Tinkerer seems to be reserving orcs where possible. (And the eggnappers are the last goblin variety shown in the game to get a female... ;) )
you need to have defeated the black goblin chieftain too as it's mentioned by tabufa
 

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you need to have defeated the black goblin chieftain too as it's mentioned by tabufa
The walkthrough doesn't mention "Escapee" as a requirement, only that you must have Obeah. Wonder if there was a change? Or maybe there's alternate Tabufa dialogue if you haven't done "Escapee" yet? Need to test that...unless you've confirmed it's needed?
 

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The walkthrough doesn't mention "Escapee" as a requirement, only that you must have Obeah. Wonder if there was a change? Or maybe there's alternate Tabufa dialogue if you haven't done "Escapee" yet? Need to test that...unless you've confirmed it's needed?
If I understand correctly, Obeah must be 5 days pregnant. Than she escape. When you bring her home than. Eggs quest start.
 
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Ok, i wanted to make sure that the appearition was completely random. After you had 5 children in the temple.
If I wanted, I could have done it in my current save. But I didn't want to miss the quest: Spread the Good Word. Which I don't have in the other save. But which I did have in my super old save. So I reloaded a backup from a couple of hours earlier. I just had to redo two or three small quests in the goblin area. Because the three ladies in the temple needed four days to give birth to their new babies. So i took the opportunity to repeat the same steps I'd done in the other save.
So when the 20th day arrived, the three ladie give birth. I had again :LOL: 7 children. 6 if I don't count the first child Alice gave birth to. So i had to sleep. It's automatic, the apparition appeared for the first time. Since I had five or more children in the temple, anyway. This is where the hard part of the journey came. Because, as Damagus01 here says:

The 5+ children must be conceived in the Temple. Alice's first child does not count for that.

The apparition in the hallway is separate (and earlier) from "For The Cause," foreshadowing later events. :)
The apparition appearing by your bed is, I believe, a daily chance once the prerequisites are met rather than automatically when you sleep at the Temple. It can take a while for both times to happen. I believe the second time also has to happen on a different day than the first one, try that if you haven't done it already.
I can confirm that the first time is automatic. As soon as you have five or more children, the apparition occurs.
But it becomes difficult the second time... To make the apparition appear a second time, well, as I said and as Damagus01 believe, everything becomes random. The only important thing, however, is one: it must obviously be a different day.
After that, you can save in front of the bed. Sleep and hope the apparition arrives. If it doesn't, reload the save and try again. Alternatively, try sleeping and use up more than one day. In my case, the first time I tried, i sleeping for almost 10 days. But nothing. I reloaded the game and tried again. Another 10 days and still nothing. In the third case, on the 2nd day, this time the apparition appeared. And when I went to talk to Ziva, she gave me the quest: Spread the Good Word. I'd missed in the other save.

Randomness is really a bad thing, guys. I hope Tinkerer fixes this. After all, once you have five kids, I don't see why it has to be so random. At least now I can move on with the other quests. Because they won't be blocked by the apparition. Since many of them require the apparition to appear twice at the foot of the bed...

Moving on, new advice :LOL:
I hope Tinkerer adds more new armor to the protagonist, aesthetically speaking :ROFLMAO:
Sad that the dragon armor doesn't change the aesthetic :cry:
I don't know how many of you noticed, but outside the mill in Weirdwood, there's a knight in white armor with gold embroidery and a blue cape. It would be nice if there were two variants, a white one with gold embroidery and a blue cape and a black one with gold embroidery and a red cape.
Both variations would be cute without the helmet. As cool as it is, I think it's more stylish to see the hair blowing in the wind :LOL:
 

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Nice, I was going to try it this evening. :)
Randomness is really a bad thing, guys.
I don't think randomness is bad, even for this situation. But maybe it could be revised to a cumulative chance similar to Shakala? She has a cumulative 1/6 chance of having a girl for each pregnancy after you complete "The Gobln King." (Assuming you have Spicy installed, of course.) So the second appearance wouldn't be automatic, but shouldn't take 10+ sleeps to happen. ;)
Moving on, new advice :LOL:
I hope Tinkerer adds more new armor to the protagonist, aesthetically speaking :ROFLMAO:
Sad that the dragon armor doesn't change the aesthetic :cry:
Even keeping the same design but giving it a green tint would make it distinctive. The visual appearance of NPCs isn't an issue for me; I'd reserve that for "tidying things up" after the game is "finished."
 

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Nice, I was going to try it this evening. :)

I don't think randomness is bad, even for this situation. But maybe it could be revised to a cumulative chance similar to Shakala? She has a cumulative 1/6 chance of having a girl for each pregnancy after you complete "The Gobln King." (Assuming you have Spicy installed, of course.) So the second appearance wouldn't be automatic, but shouldn't take 10+ sleeps to happen. ;)

Even keeping the same design but giving it a green tint would make it distinctive. The visual appearance of NPCs isn't an issue for me; I'd reserve that for "tidying things up" after the game is "finished."
For the design If you look closely, the knight's armor near the mill is practically identical to the full plate.
I took two screenshot just to show the models, I removed the helmet and put the cloak that we receive during one of Frida and Hilda's quests. Once equipped, this is visible on the character's appearance. Except that it's creamy white in color and doesn't show much on the shoulders :ROFLMAO:
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It's just that the colors are different. In me past comment i say white, but perhaps is gray with golden embroidery and a blue cape. Also i notice different npc with full plate armor.
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But with some greenish color in some part of the armor. That model would be perfect for the dragon armor. Now that i think about it. So the only thing Tinkerer needs to do is change the color scheme. But I understand that the important thing is to finish the game first. But if he find the time, it's always a little extra that enhances the game.
 
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