people enjoy crap games, why?

[khumak]

I think a big part of it is also just a matter of focus. For an adult game, the focus is on the sex usually. It's nice to have a good story, but there are non adult games you can play for the story that do that part better. You can also get better sex by just getting an actual porn movie but that's not a game. If you want both adult content and a game then you have to make some compromises.

Take acting quality as an example comparing normal movies to porn movies. The acting quality in porn is just objectively inferior to the acting quality in normal movies because normal actors are hired for their looks and their acting ability. Porn actors are hired for their looks and their willingness to fuck on camera.

If I had the option to choose, I would rather have a XXX extension to a good R rated movie than a regular porn movie but that option doesn't exist. You can get a hard R or an NC-17 with some nudity and soft core sex scenes but you're not getting a close up of Angelina Jolie sucking some guy's dick in a normal movie.

I think most of the people who have the writing skills to make a AAA studio caliber script for a video game are probably working for one of the big studios making games for a living or maybe they're writing books or working as a journalist or something that has a better return on investment for them than writing dialog for porn.

People making adult games are people who have enough skill at writing, coding, and rendering to do all of it themselves and need a niche market like adult games that the AAA studios won't touch. So you're probably always going to get kind of the low budget effect in adult games where the overall quality is never comparable to what a AAA studio could do if they wanted to throw a bunch of money at it.

 

[Doorknob22]

As I explained here people may like a "crappy" game if it has good visuals and/or includes generous doses of their favorite fetish.

 

[Gallant Trombe]

Same reason why there are tags. All sorts of things turn people on. Personally, I'm into context, doesn't matter if it's vanilla harem or NTR. What I don't like is nonsense first meeting into stripping and BJ as reward just because the game needs some sex.

I also sometimes enjoy really bad games just because there's not a whole of choices out there, got to make do with what there is.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I see a good looking girl, and after a few scenes I realize she is just a dumb chick! she is not reacting, she is not feeling, she is not this and that.

Is she really not feeling/reacting, or is she reacting in a way that isn't the one you expected ?
Take the girls from Midlife Crisis by example. All the girls agree to the situation, but it doesn't mean that they are deprived of personality ; each agree in her own way and for her own reason. They could have a deeper personality, but it's not the same that not having one at all.
This being said, it also don't imply that you necessarily need to have feeling for them. As I said previously, it all depend of who you are, and these girls can perfectly not be girls for you.

most games are not "character-centered", but MC and his cock centered. the devs try to make the MC have fun, instead of a MC that need to just deal with any character and can not do whatever he pleases, the characters need to be the focus.

I tend to disagree on your last point. The game shouldn't focus on the character, but on the story. By this I mean that the story should exist even if you remove its lewd part. It can then be a simplistic story, but still something coherent with a meaning ; the MC need to have a goal and a motivation, and even if it can be part of it, they shouldn't limit to "fuck all the girls".
Then, as consequence, the characters will be more consistent, because it's needed for the story to exist ; whatever if their existence help or oppose to MC goal, for them to interact with him and the story, they need to have their own goal, motivation and so personality.

even big productions, I can see sometimes, WTF is this, she would never do this. in 1 week she changed from a moral person to a slut. how is that possible?

Why wouldn't she do it ? There's really girls that pass from moral to slut really quickly. They are exception, but they exist in real world, it just need to use the right trigger ; that vary depending of the girl. It's voluntarily extreme as example, but give a 50ish woman the first orgasm of her life, and you'll create a sex monster ; she past her life thinking that what she felt was pleasure, and when she discover what pleasure really is, she want to make up for all the time she lost, all the orgasms she should have had.
That it don't appeal you is totally understandable, but it doesn't mean that it's not plausible, just that it's not how you expect the girl to react, and therefore not what can turn you on, either/both sexually and emotionally.

and where the progression?, how did that happen?, without any scenes where she travel inside her mind to understand what is happening to her.

Why should you know that ? Do you have children ? Did they explained you what process lead them to not like Brussels sprouts ?
It doesn't mean that the process have to be hidden, but it don't need to be fully transparent either, just perceived through the character actions/reactions.

 

[baka]

so, first. character-centered.
a character-centered story its all about relationships, the communication between the characters, their progression, that is usually to mature or realize something or to overcome. the story itself is just the background, where the characters will be placed and will interact. a story-centered story is about the events, without giving much time to any characters, instead a set of events that will affect people in some way, without going too deep what they are going through, more what happens directly by the events. like a catastrophe. a MC-centered, is all about him, his adventure, without giving care of everyone else. so, it doesnt matter why girl 1 do this and that, why guy 3 is reacting like this and that.

for me, I want character-centered stories in a xxx-game. why? because I do care what is happening to the characters. why is she doing this, are there any reason? what is her moral code, and did that brake? that for me is more important than the MC is actually able to corrupt her. if he can corrupt her but I don't get to know anything how that affected the girl, its for me, very weak. that is also the reason I like female MC games. because theres a chance a scene will reveal that.
if u ever been in a relationship, theres no more satisfaction than be able to dig inside the mind of each other, when you explore her thoughts, her fantasies, what she would dare to do. to fuck her mind before you fuck her body. that part Im interested in, and thats why I do care about the characters. otherwise its just soulless bodies rendered by a computer.

second: 1 week she changed.
sure, it can happen. but as I further explained. theres no context how. just that it did. and as I explained about character-centered, if theres nothing explained, the girl is just soulless, she is just part of the MC-world, a character that has no mind, no free will. a robot.

third: progression
as the previous 2, context is needed.
Im reading a novel, because I want to know those aspects. a story is to explain me things, so that I know. it gives me context, an understanding of how that character works. if girl is transforming from scene A to B without context, it will remove that progression that Im curious about, that could get me interested in her. to see her suck a 3D rendered cock is not that interesting. but to see her in thought, where she is scared about what to do, to really date this guy, that she feel he is strong, dominant, that could lead that she will not be able to stop him.... that part I want to read.

 

[khumak]

I actually don't think it's even possible to have a good story without having good characters. If your characters are all bland and uninteresting then your story will be too unless it's the sort of story where you're going to just constantly kill everyone off so fast that you don't really have time to develop each new character before they go through the meat grinder. Something like a zombie apocalypse story where all of the main characters die every couple of days to be replaced by random new ones. That sort of story would not appeal to me but to some it might.

I have seen 1 example of a show that kills off most of it's characters on a regular basis and still works for me because they picked 2 central characters who survive through the whole series and who develop good relationships with each of the new replacement characters as they enter the show. If those 2 central characters also got killed off right away so literally everyone was always a new character I don't think it would work. Strike Back is the name of the show for anyone interested. I think for that sort of show to work you can only kill off 1 or 2 people at a time leaving enough time to develop whatever replacement characters come in before you kill off anyone else.

To me the key to a good character is that all of them (including the bad guys) need to have at least 1 or 2 redeeming qualities that make them relatable or likeable in some way and all of them (including the protagonist and the good guys) also need to have flaws. Invincible godlike heroes are boring. Villains that are pure evil are also boring.

So for instance Joker from the Batman comics makes a good villain because there's an in depth story about how he got to be the way he is. He's definitely a villain but you have a reason to sort of feel some empathy for him as well because of what he went through before he became the joker.

I find complicated protagonist characters to be appealing as well because they're more interesting. So for instance the protagonist in Breaking Bad has some definite good qualities and arguably as many if not more bad qualities. He's an example of a character who could be defined either way depending on which things you find more important. He's loyal to his family and friends so in that way he's a good guy. He also has to deal with fighting cancer and dealing with his son's disability as well as forgiving his wife for cheating on him which also gives him good guy points. But on the flip side he's also a meth dealer and a murderer so he's also definitely a bad guy. He's not a traditional one dimensional good guy but he's also not a clear cut bad guy.

 

[Deleted member 2466386]

So first of all, I think it's how do you define "good game".
Nice arts? Good storytelling? Enjoyable combat system? Funny MTL poem translation? Everyone has their own favorite genres and fetishes. Some like their games short and fast with nice arts. Some enjoy the story and the building of relationship.

From what you've written you sound like you enjoy storytelling, building up romance. Basically games that have long playtime since you would have to build your relationship with the female protagonists.

I personally would recommend the Visual Novel kind of game, especially Japanese ones. Many girls to choose from (around 3-5), that require you to choose your path and build your relationship with.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

It's the same reason why people like isekai manga. People like simple and dumb power fantasies. Having a bazillion women hunting after your dick is as power fantasy as it gets. That's pretty much it.

 

[ShamanLab]

Do you feel the same way about, like, regular porn? I find I don't really get anything out of regular porn. It's like you said, I'm just watching two bodies fucking. When you sprinkle even a tiny bit of personality onto it, though, it makes it so much better.

What are you talking about?

90% renders here made from standard very-very limited and overused models pool, with half dozen hair styles and half dozen face expression. Porn models having much more personality then this plastic dolls. And i even didn't talking about how they rendering porn scenes and how they look like.

 

[InfiniteIgnorance]

You can take the best game that has ever been developed in the entire history of the adult genre genre and someone out there thinks it's "crap", as you so eloquently termed it. The more important question is why you care so much about how other people spend their time. Let them play any game they like and you do the same.

 

[baka]

why have any discussions at all? its useless to make any post. lets just stop posting. if we follow your attitude.
the purpose here in the Discussion section of the forum is to "discuss". so, if you dont want to discuss, don't do it.
your post is "crap", gives nothing to the discussion. either you agree, or you disagree about the subject. dont try to with that superiority attitude like you have all the answers and we need to follow your policy and conduct.

 

[InfiniteIgnorance]

why have any discussions at all? its useless to make any post. lets just stop posting. if we follow your attitude.
the purpose here in the Discussion section of the forum is to "discuss". so, if you dont want to discuss, don't do it.
your post is "crap", gives nothing to the discussion. either you agree, or you disagree about the subject. dont try to with that superiority attitude like you have all the answers and we need to follow your policy and conduct.

I'm just addressing your post. You're not the ultimate arbiter of what is or is not "crap" so when you pose a question like, "why do people play crap games?", what you are really asking is why people play games you think are crap. It's because they don't think those games are "crap."

When people put time, effort, and money into game development they don't do so with the intention of creating "crap." Maybe instead of arbitrarily criticizing unnamed games in an off-topic thread this could be more constructive in game threads where suggestions could be made to improve the games you think are "crap."

 

[Davos2]

why have any discussions at all? its useless to make any post. lets just stop posting. if we follow your attitude.
the purpose here in the Discussion section of the forum is to "discuss". so, if you dont want to discuss, don't do it.
your post is "crap", gives nothing to the discussion. either you agree, or you disagree about the subject. dont try to with that superiority attitude like you have all the answers and we need to follow your policy and conduct.

 

[HandofVecna]

Maybe the question should be, is there room or a market for "realistic" games/games based in "reality". I'd generally say no there isn't. Why, I have no idea, but magic dick porn and messiah porn does really well on here to my chagrin. So, really that's why the market gets "crap games". Just my theory.

 

[Deleted member 3145675]

Maybe the question should be, is there room or a market for "realistic" games/games based in "reality". I'd generally say no there isn't. Why, I have no idea, but magic dick porn and messiah porn does really well on here to my chagrin. So, really that's why the market gets "crap games". Just my theory.

considering that People have access to Real Porn easily thru let's say "pornhub" what would be the point of making a "realistic porn game"?
The problem is not with "magic dick" or "messiah porn" in themselves (I think) but with the fact that most of them are (really) poorly written created and developed - the best a contrario examples are that "good games" encounter success even if on a small scale.

"crap games" is to be taken as "mass consumption" products - you forget about them 10 seconds after (like most men do 10 seconds after anything)

Most people don't see those games as "crap" thru lack of proper education - we could call them "good games illiterate" - (tho this would require to establish a commonly accepted standard for "good game" award list (and this is not an easy challenge)

I (in accordance with Me and Myself) tend to consider that the 1st point is:
- "interest" (list of Tags)
2nd:
- engine (I loathe RPGM and avoid TAGS QSP and things that require the extra installation of something - Tyrano suX)
3rd ex aequo:
- graphics and story (I would go Full "text based only" over a full 8k 3d graphs with a story to cry blood from your eyes and ears*)

(*ears too because your brain is melting)

Now the question would be "is it possible to make a good game with a decent engine and a good story" that won't cost the Devs an arm and 3 fingers (and their sanity) to develop that would be appreciated by the "masses"?

Being an Evil Elitist Sociopath my immediate go to answer is "NO".

(but i grant you complete freedom over your own answer - no need for thanks)

why? Coz' masses want "instant gratification" thru the "least effort" possible.
(which is not always a bad thing - but vastly hinders their capacity to accept the waiting time needed for developing or creating a "quality" product)

Now - we could ask ourselves - is it possible to educate the masses? (thx for asking)

the answer is not an easy one - they had one =>

You must be registered to see the links

not sure everybody would like it tho...

 

[ShamanLab]

You can take the best game that has ever been developed in the entire history of the adult genre genre and someone out there thinks it's "crap", as you so eloquently termed it.

You may take the best Bollywood movie that has ever been pictured in the entire Bollywood history and someone out here thinks it's "crap", as you so eloquently termed it. But... this didn't mean you are wrong.

 

[Deleted member 3145675]

You may take the best Bollywood movie that has ever been pictured in the entire Bollywood history and someone out here thinks it's "crap", as you so eloquently termed it. But... this didn't mean you are wrong.

I hope your bollywood was not too spicy coz' usually it really hurts when you reach the "crap" stage.

(i take myself vigorously out)

 

[Flecchikun]

I hate to say this man, but this sounds like "Why do people not only like what I like! Stop liking what I hate!" and the only response to such things is "Personal tastes are like asshole, we all them them, they all stink." sniveling that people don't all just fall into lockstep with your personal choices is not just rude, but shows you have no clue how to interact with society. Game Devs don't put NTR in their games because they want to make money, and that nitch's fans don't pay as much as the larger "Non-ntr" fan-base, and sneaking it into a current game by force is a great way to loose money, which is getting more likely with each passing day. Worse is that a lot of Dev's are just milking the fans for their shekels, NTR fans are really susceptible to this as they will Shrimp hard and a few Devs who do his genre will basically NTR them with "New Art assets", "Can't fix the game, gotta make a new UI", and other excuses to keep your subscriber money flowing and giving you as little as they can. Worse are the poor Furry fans, so few people willing to do the stuff, fewer worth a damn, and even fewer still who are not just doing "Oh i added a few lines of dialog and did some spell checking, pay me!"

*Edited for typos

 

[RedPillBlues]

why have any discussions at all? its useless to make any post. lets just stop posting. if we follow your attitude.
the purpose here in the Discussion section of the forum is to "discuss". so, if you dont want to discuss, don't do it.
your post is "crap", gives nothing to the discussion. either you agree, or you disagree about the subject. dont try to with that superiority attitude like you have all the answers and we need to follow your policy and conduct.

Your the one that doesn't want to discus LMAO. You just want people to agree with you.

 

[baka]

really RedPillBlues? now u are just trolling. read my posts and u see that I want a constructive discussion and that theres no right or wrong answers, only different perspectives.
what InfiniteIgnorance posted is not adding to the discussion. he just want to shut it down. thats not to take part in a discussion but the act of a mobster to try to silence people and their opinion.
and what you are doing is just to add to that. again, another "crap" post that is just infecting the thread with nothing useful.