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lol n00b...Ok, the MC is called Asdf Ñlkj... that's why I like that there is a default name.
Everybody knows the real pros name their characters Qwerty Zxcvbn...
lol n00b...Ok, the MC is called Asdf Ñlkj... that's why I like that there is a default name.
The line "to please the MC" is still worryingly vague to me though. Lesbian sharing/NTR should be treated the same way as regular NTR imo as it's very divisive. It should be treated with extreme caution. For those who are okay with lesbian sharing/NTR they need to ask themselves "would I be okay with a guy doing this" because if not it should really require some sort of choice because for some guys the gender doesn't matter. In a worst case scenario the dev just assumes that players are okay with lesbian shit happening during threesome scenes and doesn't edit the content because it'd take more effort than usual which kinda defeats the point of it being a choice in the first place.
There's also the added point about kissing and groping earlier which is still potentially red flagish but I guess at the end of the day all we can do is wait and see what happens. On the point of Futa he lists futanari as "completely optional" so I'd assume that it's pretty safe. I do wonder if it means the character is optional or whether her being a futanari is optional but I assume the former because it'd be less work then working on two sets of scenes.
I'm guessing some potential patreons are gonna hold out to see how the dev handles this stuff too because nobody wants to fund a game and have it end up not being what they wanted in that regard.
Edit: Oh and on the community tag thing I mentioned how dev tags would still be included separately so in the case of trolling people can still see what the dev thinks the tags are. I'm completely aware some trolls would tag all NTR as gay or some shit like that but my assumption was that much like reviews and likes there won't be many people voting and as such it would be hard to "shadowban" trolls by making their community tag votes worth less and maybe making trusted people's tags worth more.
That isn't true at all... there are a lot of people that don't like their harem girls fucking each other...In all honesty, these are big words, but even someone like me that doesn't dive into NTR knows that the premise of girls you have in a harem, fucking each other, is definitely not NTR.
Regardless of one's stance on this, disliking an act doesn't mean that act is NTR... You can dislike polyamory, but that doesn't make polyamory NTR. At least based off of any NTR definition I've seen from any more credible source than random person x's forum post.That isn't true at all... there are a lot of people that don't like their harem girls fucking each other...
I never said poly is NTR...Regardless of one's stance on this, disliking an act doesn't mean that act is NTR... You can dislike polyamory, but that doesn't make polyamory NTR. At least based off of any NTR definition I've seen from any more credible source than random person x's forum post.
Touche, but I disagree with that assertion as well. Harems are literally just defined as women who all have the same mate. This assertion that that precludes them from being intimate within that group is not supported by anything other than people's own personal definitions of what they like/prefer. Now I'm not here to yuck anyone's yum, although the don't let the girls touch each other crowd are real vocal about how they find it yucky, and so I get not wanting it in your preferential version of a harem, but I don't think that view is as grounded in linguistic/historic/real world precedence as some folks seem to think it is.I never said poly is NTR...
I said poly isn't harem... and therefore disliked by many people in the harem community.
I wouldn't call it "yucky" but I definitely would nip in the bud if the game gives me the option to disable lesbian sex outside of scenes where MC is an active participant.Touche, but I disagree with that assertion as well. Harems are literally just defined as women who all have the same mate. This assertion that that precludes them from being intimate within that group is not supported by anything other than people's own personal definitions of what they like/prefer. Now I'm not here to yuck anyone's yum, although the don't let the girls touch each other crowd are real vocal about how they find it yucky, and so I get not wanting it in your preferential version of a harem, but I don't think that view is as grounded in linguistic/historic/real world precedence as some folks seem to think it is.
And I definitely get that, as a person who supports trans rights and would have no issues being with a post op woman I'm just not into "futa" at all, and opt out if given the option (thanks dev!) . So I get the desire to opt out, it just bothers me how often people have a personal definition of something and then decry something as not being "x" when that definition is only in their head. And I definitely wasn't trying to accuse you of finding something yucky, it's just something I've noticed enough to have observed a trend amongst some enjoyers of harem games. More choice is more better and I think allowing people to customize their play experience is definitely good if a dev wants broader appeal. I also understand some games just aren't for me and move on (not saying that's the case for you here), because devs deserve to tell the story they want to, as well. I do wish we had more granular tags though.I wouldn't call it "yucky" but I definitely would nip in the bud if the game gives me the option to disable lesbian sex outside of scenes where MC is an active participant.
You clearly don't understand what a harem is then. It doesn't matter if she's fucking other girls or other guys. A harem is multiple women having a relationship with one man otherwise it's just an open relationship.Ok, but have you stopped to consider this, "for those who are okay with Harem they need to ask themselves, if a girl is dating a guy, that has a harem, would she be okay with me fucking other girls?" would that then, turn that harem into an NTR? So we just dismiss that these girls will always automatically be okay with it?
In all honesty, these are big words, but even someone like me that doesn't dive into NTR knows that the premise of girls you have in a harem, fucking each other, is definitely not NTR.
So, for you, there is absolutely no space for polyamory? True, it's not strictly a harem, but it's not NTR either. To me, NTR requires some malicious intent, an active choice of denial. If a man is with several women at once, and while he is busy with one, two others decide to enjoy each other, what exactly is being denied him? He's only got two hands. In fact, one could easily argue that he is in the act of inflicting NTR on the other women if he is choosing to deny them the right to pleasure each other while he is having sex in front of them.You clearly don't understand what a harem is then. It doesn't matter if she's fucking other girls or other guys. A harem is multiple women having a relationship with one man otherwise it's just an open relationship.
Yes, women in a harem can have a complicated relationship and want the MC to themselves but when we refer to NTR we mean it from the player perspective. Harems obviously aren't realistic and nobody claims that they are but people who think "girls have to fuck eachother in a harem because clearly they can't wait their turn!" or some shit are trying to cope with their Lesbian NTR fetish. I don't understand how you can even attempt to argue that your love interests, whom you're in a relationship with, fucking other people doesn't count as NTR or Netorase depending on the context. For some reason you're completely blinded by the gender of the person cucking you. I highly doubt the average lesbian NTR defender would defend men fucking their harem girls "because they really only love the MC she has needs" and "they can't wait their turn" or something.
It doesn't matter what NTR is to you, what matters is the definition. If he actively permits it then yes it's netorase not NTR but netorase is just a subgenre of NTR. "What is he being denied?" He's being denied romance. If she's willing to fuck others she doesn't really love him and yes I know "but what about the MC he fucks others" yes the love a harem protagonist has for his harem is questionable but harems games are popular because otherwise the developer would be limited the content the player can see so unless the game is designed around you choosing one girl you might be losing a ton of content otherwise.So, for you, there is absolutely no space for polyamory? True, it's not strictly a harem, but it's not NTR either. To me, NTR requires some malicious intent, an active choice of denial. If a man is with several women at once, and while he is busy with one, two others decide to enjoy each other, what exactly is being denied him? He's only got two hands. In fact, one could easily argue that he is in the act of inflicting NTR on the other women if he is choosing to deny them the right to pleasure each other while he is having sex in front of them.
It just seems your definition of harem is, in itself, inherently NTR.
It might not be a good idea to design your entire game around what the few early supporters of your game desire. That being said he's already said the content is optional so this conversation is a bit pointless unless the lesbian route leaks into the non-lesbian route.All I will say to all this is dev keep it up, people on this site take girl on girl within a harem too serious, just ignore them and make the game you set out to make. You will never please everyone here, ever, trust me you could do everything by the "harem" book that people view on here and still do something wrong.
If your views on a perfect harem family have lesbian and futa within a harem then do it, if it does not then don't do it, and if you need a direction then go to the subscribing fans, they are the paying ones afterall. Yep this will get me a facepalm or 10 but you get use to that here.