VN Ren'Py Perfect Housewife [S1: Remake Beta] [k4soft]

[dontehall2023]

So at no point did she give Arnold oral sex or have sex with him without first making sure her husband approved? Or when she was in the park and her husband saw what she was doing with Arnold while the homeless man watched, did she already know he was spying on them from behind the bush? If so, then I misinterpreted it, because I would have said that she often made decisions on her own and then waited for her husband to approve of what she did, not the other way around, that her husband approved and then she did something. But if her actions were approved beforehand by her husband, then I apologize for misinterpreting those moments and drawing an incorrect conclusion from the game

The game that the couple are playing also includes spying. Stefany knows that when she goes off alone with Arnold that her husband will eventually follow. And if he has an issue with what she is doing with Arnold, he would have the ability to stop it. There's no choice in the park scene because the story requires it to happen.

Maybe the remake will allow you to stop every sexual interaction between Stefany and someone other than the husband. But the original version is telling a story of a sharing game the couple are playing. The husband always has the ability to stop his wife if he chooses.

 

[PDezMark]

Yes the choices have impact but I get the feeling you won't like it anyway my dude

Not 100% true. While I play 3-4 other games for every 1 of the NTS/NTR genre i can "like" some of them. They just have to be well made. The reason I asked about the choices is because in the remake at least for me (i think there are some bugs with the remaster since at least once there are no images for the dialogue and the actions described in the dialogue and the game jumps to the next day all of a sudden) there are 2 instances where the MC says NO I do not agree with this and the very next dialogue box says the exact oposite of what you choose.

So that is why i was asking. I was getting MyHW vibes for a moment. I think i am going to try the original and see what is happening there! Hope it has more than 1 pre-determined ending. Thank you for the feedback.

 

[Grumpybum]

I mentioned the options in the first comment you replied to, and of course if something happened that made her take the pure route, she would, but the alternative scene you mentioned earlier (which is just a "let's suppose") mentioned that scenario in which she made that decision without his consent, and the fact that it was approved by her husband after the action wouldn't have changed the fact that it was without consent from the beginning.

She doesnt need his consent in the beginning, if the mc knows about it later then it's still sharing.

Please listen to what we are telling you...this is a sharing game, there's no cheating.

 

[PDezMark]

She doesnt need his consent in the beginning, if the mc knows about it later then it's still sharing.

Please listen to what we are telling you...this is a sharing game, there's no cheating.

I think you are both right. Since she got permission afterwards it still counts as sharing. At the same time I tend to agree that her doing it first and getting permission after counts as bonafide cheating/NTR. At least for the action undertaken at the time.

You could also make a somewhat decent argument that getting permission after is just her exploiting the whole sharing thing to cheat without any sort of consequences. She sort of justifies her cheating that way. At least that is one way to look at it i guess.


As far as I understood the whole sharing thing is done 100% in the know and 100% via consent. Not after but before/during and via informed situations. The after part kind of takes away the informed and consent thing...sort of anyway. The foundation for this argument is both weak and strong depending on how you wish to interpret the consent and informed part i guess.

So i guess she is both cheating and not depending on how you want to interpret things.

Thats my 2 cents.

 

[hoochimama]

At the same time I tend to agree that her doing it first and getting permission after counts as bonafide cheating/NTR.

Cheating != NTR (netorare). For it to be cheating they just need to have reason to believe their partner would not be ok with it. But it can never be NTR if the MC (main character) is in fact ok with it, doesn't matter if the MC's LI (love interest) believes otherwise. Examples:
A husband has a vanilla wife and secretly hires someone to seduce and fuck the wife so she believes she's doing it behind the husband's back. Did she cheat? Yes. Is it NTR? No.
A non-swinging couple wants to try fooling around with each other in a gloryhole but he accidentally gets in the wrong stall and she sucks off a stranger believing it's her husband. Did she cheat? No. Is it NTR? Yes.

 

[PDezMark]

Cheating != NTR (netorare). It's only cheating if she has reason to believe her husband wouldn't be ok with it. It's never NTR if he is ok with it, regardless of what she thought.
A husband secretly hires someone to seduce and fuck his vanilla wife for his own gratification without her suspecting anything. Did she cheat? Yes. Is it NTR? No.
Couple wants to try fooling around with each other in a gloryhole but he accidentally gets in the wrong stall and she sucks off a stranger believing it's her husband. Did she cheat? No. Is it NTR? Yes (if he's not ok with it).

Hmmmm...... The last part with them getting the wrong whole (lol) counts and NTR? I dont know what to say to that. That kinda sound more like an honest mistake on both parts. Never intended on any of them. So not sure if it counts. Since neither of them had any intention of things happening that way. It was an accident. I believe in such a situation both of the would be upset about it right? So not really NTR?

As for the cheating part i can kind of see where you are coming from but at the same time you are in a situation where you ask: did she at any point think of the husband as in : this will make him happy or did she just go full on cocksleave mode and just wanted a fuck (regardless of what the partner might say or do) and she just took advantage of the rules to do whatever she wanted and felt good for her. With the partner being on a second or third place as far as priotities go.

I guess it comes down to how they discussed agreed things beforehand right? Is the sharing supposed to involve the partner first is some manner or is it ok to tell about it afterwards?

 

[Grumpybum]

I think you are both right. Since she got permission afterwards it still counts as sharing. At the same time I tend to agree that her doing it first and getting permission after counts as bonafide cheating/NTR. At least for the action undertaken at the time.

You could also make a somewhat decent argument that getting permission after is just her exploiting the whole sharing thing to cheat without any sort of consequences. She sort of justifies her cheating that way. At least that is one way to look at it i guess.


As far as I understood the whole sharing thing is done 100% in the know and 100% via consent. Not after but before/during and via informed situations. The after part kind of takes away the informed and consent thing...sort of anyway. The foundation for this argument is both weak and strong depending on how you wish to interpret the consent and informed part i guess.

So i guess she is both cheating and not depending on how you want to interpret things.

Thats my 2 cents.

I know I'm right because I know it's a sharing game that doesn't contain NTR, there is nothing to interpret, no other way to look at it, no hidden agenda and no 2 cents of opinion to be had on the matter.

I dont know what you are talking about agreeing it's cheating/NTR because there is no cheating/NTR in this game.

hoochimama was kind enough to explain the meaning of cheating/NTR please read and understand it as we are going round in circles repeating ourselves, the words mean what they mean and we can't decide otherwise

 

[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

Cheating != NTR (netorare). For it to be cheating they just need to have reason to believe their partner would not be ok with it. But it can never be NTR if the MC (main character) is in fact ok with it, doesn't matter if the MC's LI (love interest) believes otherwise. Examples:
A husband has a vanilla wife and secretly hires someone to seduce and fuck the wife so she believes she's doing it behind the husband's back. Did she cheat? Yes. Is it NTR? No.
A non-swinging couple wants to try fooling around with each other in a gloryhole but he accidentally gets in the wrong stall and she sucks off a stranger believing it's her husband. Did she cheat? No. Is it NTR? Yes.

That gloryhole scene happens in ALWL game

 

[PDezMark]

I know I'm right because I know it's a sharing game that doesn't contain NTR, there is nothing to interpret, no other way to look at it, no hidden agenda and no 2 cents of opinion to be had on the matter.

I dont know what you are talking about agreeing it's cheating/NTR because there is no cheating/NTR in this game.

hoochimama was kind enough to explain the meaning of cheating/NTR please read and understand it as we are going round in circles repeating ourselves, the words mean what they mean and we can't decide otherwise

Well his NTR example is kind of iffy. Not sure how it qualifies if neither knew what they were doing or with who. If they were both convinced it was with one another and everything happened by accident as described above does that still count as NTR?



Also how can it be sharing if you had no idea you were sharing? But i guess you are right in the sense of the definition above.

Also having lively chats and debates about one aspect or another of the game should be fine.

 

[Grumpybum]

Well his NTR example is kind of iffy. Not sure how it qualifies if neither knew what they were doing or with who. If they were both convinced it was with one another and everything happened by accident as described above does that still count as NTR?



Also how can it be sharing if you had no idea you were sharing? But i guess you are right in the sense of the definition above.

Also having lively chats and debates about one aspect or another of the game should be fine.

Never mind his example of ntr if it confuses you (which it clearly does) its not ntr if the mc agrees, nothing is hidden, he's not against it.
There is no ntr in the game so there is no debate to be had and this discussion is now off topic because we are having to explain to you the definition of Netorare.

 

[pelucas514]

The game that the couple are playing also includes spying. Stefany knows that when she goes off alone with Arnold that her husband will eventually follow. And if he has an issue with what she is doing with Arnold, he would have the ability to stop it. There's no choice in the park scene because the story requires it to happen.

Maybe the remake will allow you to stop every sexual interaction between Stefany and someone other than the husband. But the original version is telling a story of a sharing game the couple are playing. The husband always has the ability to stop his wife if he chooses.

Well, I understand that in the end, if her husband agrees, even if Stefany makes decisions without consulting him, knowing he'll approve them after she takes things further, then that would be fine. And that's what I meant in the first place. It would be fantastic if, in the future, there could be a more comprehensive system where decisions are made much more frequently, preventing her from taking things further before they happen, and then having her husband end up approving what she did.

 

[Grumpybum]

That gloryhole scene happens in ALWL game

He was using that scene as an example to try and explain to the young gentleman the differences between sharing and cheating....it didn't work though as the poor little fella is still very confused

 

[doccop63]

I think you are both right. Since she got permission afterwards it still counts as sharing. At the same time I tend to agree that her doing it first and getting permission after counts as bonafide cheating/NTR. At least for the action undertaken at the time.

You could also make a somewhat decent argument that getting permission after is just her exploiting the whole sharing thing to cheat without any sort of consequences. She sort of justifies her cheating that way. At least that is one way to look at it i guess.


As far as I understood the whole sharing thing is done 100% in the know and 100% via consent. Not after but before/during and via informed situations. The after part kind of takes away the informed and consent thing...sort of anyway. The foundation for this argument is both weak and strong depending on how you wish to interpret the consent and informed part i guess.

So i guess she is both cheating and not depending on how you want to interpret things.

Thats my 2 cents.

And THAT is the Main thing about this and other games like it. These games are interpretational, you know, just like almost every aspect of human reality. A lot of Christian groups interpret The Bible differently. Elements of the US Constitution as well. Laws, rules, regulations, almost everything.
I remember back in the 70s, the word "bad" as defined in the dictionary was something negative but urban culture twisted it to make the word a Positive. "Maan, that chick is Bad." Meaning that a woman was fine as hell. Even the word that I just used, "chick" is interpretational. Just like the Brit word "bird" which was used to describe a female. That's the Problem with humanity. They find something that they don't like or agree with & Change things to fit their narratives. Sometimes a Duck is Truly a Duck. Not goose adjacent or anything Else that some nutcase wants to make claims, simply to be freakin' Different or as I Always Say: "It IS what it IS."

 

[CutieLvr]

k4soft, I'm wondering since there is NTR in the game, does wifey get to cheat on hubby too?? I would only be fair. Will there be stats for corruption levels, sex acts, etc? Really enjoy the game and Steph is a real cutie. Thank you for your work.

 

[anderson1]

Can I skip all the old men? How many sex partners aren't old men?

 

[patrickB]

Can I skip all the old men? How many sex partners aren't old men?

Oh no, dude, why would you do that ? That's like skipping 80% of this VN !

If you're not into 'old men' sex, better skip this game entirely, your soul might be crushed.
'Old men' getting to bang the 'old woman' (MILF) is about the essence of this VN.
It even has the 'ugly bastard' tag in the list, that's like the same as 'there wil be sex with one or more old men with wrinkled skin'...

This game is like God send for people like me, 'old dude', seeking the best VN's on this site, where 'old men' get to bang all the young and not-so-young-anymore hot chicks
Living the dream, my man.

 

[trauts]

in the F95 General Discussions, there's a really good guide that explains the difference between Netorare (NTR), Netorase (NTS) and Netori (NTI?).

In Depth Guide and Difference Between Netorare , Netori and Netorase.

 

[dindindindin]

Note to the Dev
I loved this game and was a Patreon subscriber during the build. Good cadence of releases and a really attractive and compelling character in Stefany. Thanks, it was a great game. But it did have its flaws - some of which I hope can be addressed in this new version:

Game mechanics
Pretty linear as any choices the player makes had no real impact on the story - besides the choice to go to the party vs going to see Arnold's grandkids. I'm assuming that the new points system will create different behaviours from Stefany in each scene, ranging from respectful to the MC, all the way to her just doing what she wants with whoever she wants (and that's what nearly everyone will want to see). But this does add complications if you have different paths, so I'm curious to see how this system evolves.

Characters
Some of the characters and scenes in the original game were pointless, while some were wasted opportunities.

Pointless characters:

• There was a strange tangent during the island photoshoot where we saw a massage scene and then we saw a strange appearance of a strong, super-hero style woman who turns out to be irrelevant to the story. This felt like a waste of dev time and only confused the storyline.
• Dante is another pointless character. The interactions between him and Stefany went nowhere and were the most skippable parts of the game.
• I understand that Emma's character is there to stir up some jealousy in Stefany, and potentially influence how 'nice' she is to the MC. But she detracts from the real story - a story about a hyper-sexual housewife who manipulates her loving husband so she can be as big a slut as she wants to be, making him believe he's in control of the situation. I think we could lose Emma and keep the story much more focused on Stefany becoming a slut, while the MC observes and occasionally partakes.

Missed opportunities:

• The beach scene with the 2 random guys was wasted storyline as it went nowhere. With the new points system, if this type of scene reappears, I'd hope that the output ranges from the dead-end we saw in the original game (most trusting relationship points), all the way to Stefany engaging in a full MMF scene (most depraved relationship points).
• I forgot the name of the big guy (Eric's friend). While Stefany did have a scene with him and Eric, she only ended up giving him a bj. Have you seen the size of him?? That would make for an interesting (and intense) scene. Again - I'm hoping this will be rectified with the new points system, enabling a much more savage option for players to see.
• Arnolds friends from the spa are used well throughout the game, with a steady build-up of depravity between them and Stefany. But then the closing scene with them involves Emma being in control of the video-call, and the main point of tension being whether they finish inside Stefany or not. This ending could have been a lot better. With the new points system, I'd hope there's a path where Stefany becomes a cum dumpster from earlier in the game, so that the closing scene becomes a proper gangbang where she just stuffed full of dicks and filled/covered in all their cum.
• It seems odd to have some things off limits throughout the whole game such as her asshole or cumming inside her. As per the above points, I'd hope to see these limits removed for certain playthroughs.

Closing thoughts
This game was one of the most impactful I've seen, but I'm not really sure why. The gameplay isn't amazing. The renderings are fine, but could be better. And the storyline was confused in places and left me disappointed by the end of the game. And yet I was still compelled to give it 5/5 stars. I guess it just hit a particular nerve that helped me overlook the flaws. I'm hoping that the remake retains this x-factor rather than losing it for the sake of improved graphics.

 

[dedaliskos]

The new beta game looks promising.
It was a great game already for "cuckolds gamers".
But now that you create so many options in paths maybe you could add paths like forced cuckolding after she discovers the husband might like it in reality and not only in fantasy. It is almost like the game you create but without the consent from husband in every scene. Or you could give options to player but wife do it to extreme that socks the husband limits.
Meybe a femdom wife and sissy husband at the end.
Meybe a blackmailed wife forced to transform as a hotwife from a bull and the husband is locked for ever only to watch, if it is allowed.
Hotwife doing lewed stuffs with everyone near husband, without the husband be sure that what his mind fantasizing are scenes that his wife doing in real.

Perfect wife does not exist only in a consensual relationship.
Perfect wife is the one that stays married to her husband and give him "satisfaction" regardless of the sex path she choose.
I apologize for my bad English. I hope my writing gives meaning of what I am trying to say.

Keep the good work.

 

[Winchester Quincy]

Does

Note to the Dev
I loved this game and was a Patreon subscriber during the build. Good cadence of releases and a really attractive and compelling character in Stefany. Thanks, it was a great game. But it did have its flaws.

Hey man, Do the synergy points with Stephanie and her husband matter?
Does it matter if the Synergy points ar in negative and positive?