Quite the opposite, we are trying to implement as many fetishes as it's possibleSo that players are free to choose
And here come the problem, Rachel Red Maiden contents aren't really choiceable. Even in the route supposed to be romance route, MC is still too much of an asshole. He (and Sakura, which make it worse) still force Rachel to do "things". I can understand it in corruption route, but why forcing it in romance route?But your voice is not unique, you have the choice to avoid the graphic content of Rachel RM if you wish to do so. I am a Patreon and I'm far more than satisfied to have the dark side of Rachel RM at my disposalLike Mooch1e said, there are fetishes for everyone one. Don't like it, skip the bad part by making the right choice, no one is forcing your hand, it's that simple.
I hear you man and I get your point but once again, the storylines aren't set in stones yet and are faaaaar from over. I'm quite sure by the time the game will be a 1.0, a lot of contents will be added with more fleshed out routes, including a romance one for Rachel like you suggested.And here come the problem, Rachel Red Maiden contents aren't really choiceable. Even in the route supposed to be romance route, MC is still too much of an asshole. He (and Sakura, which make it worse) still force Rachel to do "things". I can understand it in corruption route, but why forcing it in romance route?
In my opinion, dev team should make a "true" romance route, where MC wants to get Rachel out of there asap, not after taking advantages of her.
No11 is absolutely correct, there is no avoiding this content. It's great that you are a Patreon and like the content, but there would be a lot more patrons if the content was avoidable.But your voice is not unique, you have the choice to avoid the graphic content of Rachel RM if you wish to do so. I am a Patreon and I'm far more than satisfied to have the dark side of Rachel RM at my disposalLike Mooch1e said, there are fetishes for everyone. Don't like it, skip it by making the right choices, no one is forcing your hand, it's that simple.
Her content could easily be removed. MC goes to RM and asks for Rachel and is told that she does not work there. Later when MC asks about her job she says she does not have one. She was going to work at RM but she decided not to when she found out what the job actually was. The variables would just have to be set to allow Rachel's story to continue without the RM content and RM would still be in the game. MC could initially go there for the hostess that greets him; and if the player wants other characters to end up there, then that would be the player's choice. I'm not saying that the content needs to be removed for everyone, just make it optional. Why make this one thing unavoidable, when almost everything else is?But unfortunately for you, the RM is and will remain in the story, as its role is important now and probably even bigger down the line. however, that doesn't mean the approaches the MC could choose will remain eternally dickish or massive dick as they are now imo.
there is a huge difference between the open relationships in WVN and your sister being coerced into working in a whore house that you can not avoid at all. the option has been there all along to completely avoid that crap with you working on getting her into modeling but it was completely thrown out it seems.Yo, it's a porn game. You like WVM because you think you should be allowed to fuck around on your significant other?
then make the whole whore house a choice where you get her modeling career going instead of forcing the issue of making her a whore. that could have been done right from the start.Quite the opposite, we are trying to implement as many fetishes as it's possibleSo that players are free to choose
Yes and no. In hindsight, sure, could have been done the start. Then again, given what the Dev wants in terms of story telling and path finding, it's up to them. Again, I keep fucking saying this. If the Dev wants it in, they want it in for a reason. And if they want to change it, whether people cry about wanting it changed or not, is entirely up to them. They don't have to do what you say or suggest. It's literally THEIR game. Some fans may like/love that part of the story for any multitude of reasons (Me I am neutral on it) while others like yourself don't like. And again, it's a fairly early build. Anything can change. Til then...then make the whole whore house a choice where you get her modeling career going instead of forcing the issue of making her a whore. that could have been done right from the start.
Exactly 100% right. the devs could end this kind of back and forth if they had given the option but it was forced into the game with no option to avoid for those of us that dont want it.Why not asking that people who like the content be punished, by all means leave the content in there for them. What I am saying is that it should also be avoidable for those of us who don't like it. I could move on, but currently I am replying to those who have replied to me. You keep bringing me back by commenting on my posts. Maybe you should allow us both to move on.
Don't get me wrong man, I am not here to flex my Patreon subscription ahahahNo11 is absolutely correct, there is no avoiding this content. It's great that you are a Patreon and like the content, but there would be a lot more patrons if the content was avoidable.
Her content could easily be removed. MC goes to RM and asks for Rachel and is told that she does not work there. Later when MC asks about her job she says she does not have one. She was going to work at RM but she decided not to when she found out what the job actually was. The variables would just have to be set to allow Rachel's story to continue without the RM content and RM would still be in the game. MC could initially go there for the hostess that greets him; and if the player wants other characters to end up there, then that would be the player's choice.
Ding ding ding ding ding. We have a winner.Don't get me wrong man, I am not here to flex my Patreon subscription ahahah
My point is that as one, I enjoy this content and I don't plan on stopping because of RM and Rachel. however, in all honesty, I'm going the romantic route over the corruption one. I just enjoy being able to choose and having the freedom to do so, it's one of the reasons I enjoy this game so much.
As for your second comment, what I mean by the content not being removable is (and it's pure speculation), what if the RN has a massive impact on the storyline down the line ? Being tied to the main villain (being the owner or smth), and to expose him you need to access the RM ? I know you could say that you could enter only once and that you don't need anyone else involved (Rachel in this case). But what if you have the choice to turn into the bad guy, and succumb to your lust, prioritising being a massive dick to her instead of resolving the problem at hand ? Or maybe Rachel could be a bargaining chip the bad guy could use to force you to do X or Y favours to him or else he would hurt her ? (A bit like Jen and the library with a more dark undertone)
Once again, it's pure speculation, but I can understand why Mooch1e would rather flesh out Rachel and RM as one entity, rather than take one out, risking hurting the storyline and dynamic in the process
RM is still in the game, Rachel working there should be avoidable. I'm not saying that you would go there only once. You could go there whenever you wanted. There could be whatever additional content the developers wanted. If the player has the opportunity for Rachel to leave at this point in the game, then her never working there would have no impact on future events at RM.Don't get me wrong man, I am not here to flex my Patreon subscription ahahah
My point is that as one, I enjoy this content and I don't plan on stopping because of RM and Rachel. however, in all honesty, I'm going the romantic route over the corruption one. I just enjoy being able to choose and having the freedom to do so, it's one of the reasons I enjoy this game so much.
As for your second comment, what I mean by the content not being removable is (and it's pure speculation), what if the RN has a massive impact on the storyline down the line ? Being tied to the main villain (being the owner or smth), and to expose him you need to access the RM ? I know you could say that you could enter only once and that you don't need anyone else involved (Rachel in this case). But what if you have the choice to turn into the bad guy, and succumb to your lust, prioritising being a massive dick to her instead of resolving the problem at hand ? Or maybe Rachel could be a bargaining chip the bad guy could use to force you to do X or Y favours to him or else he would hurt her ? (A bit like Jen and the library with a more dark undertone)
Once again, it's pure speculation, but I can understand why Mooch1e would rather flesh out Rachel and RM as one entity, rather than take one out, risking hurting the storyline and dynamic in the process
Dude... can you not read or some shit? What if RM and Rachel are for those who wish for corruption? What if RM happens to be a major part of the story DOWN THE LINE? Serious dude, IT IS A FUCKING "EARLY" BUILD. Things can fucking change if you would give it FUCKING time instead of harping on this 'OH IS SHOULD BE IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW! RIGHT FROM THE GET GO!' Again, I keep saying this yet it falls on either borderling incompetent people or who can't actually read: It's early in the game and nothing is truly confirmed and set in stone. Maybe down the road you get what you want. Maybe not. The only person who can tell you and know for certain is the Dev.RM is still in the game, Rachel working there should be avoidable. I'm not saying that you would go there only once. You could go there whenever you wanted. There could be whatever additional content the developers wanted. If the player has the opportunity for Rachel to leave at this point in the game, then her never working there would have no impact on future events at RM.
I don't want to keep going around and around. People are already very aggressive about this on both sides of the issue. But just to try and make it absolutely clear what your position is:RM is still in the game, Rachel working there should be avoidable. I'm not saying that you would go there only once. You could go there whenever you wanted. There could be whatever additional content the developers wanted. If the player has the opportunity for Rachel to leave at this point in the game, then her never working there would have no impact on future events at RM.
Yes, I can read; can you? I said repeatedly, leave the Rachel content in the game for those that want it and make it avoidable for those that don't. Leave RM in the game for the additional content to come. I am basing my opinion that the plan right now is not to make the content avoidable on the post by the writer giving possible future justifications for Rachel working at RM. He made no mention on the possibility of her never working there.Dude... can you not read or some shit? What if RM and Rachel are for those who wish for corruption? What if RM happens to be a major part of the story DOWN THE LINE? Serious dude, IT IS A FUCKING "EARLY" BUILD. Things can fucking change if you would give it FUCKING time instead of harping on this 'OH IS SHOULD BE IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW! RIGHT FROM THE GET GO!' Again, I keep saying this yet it falls on either borderling incompetent people or who can't actually read: It's early in the game and nothing is truly confirmed and set in stone. Maybe down the road you get what you want. Maybe not. The only person who can tell you and know for certain is the Dev.
Don't spill the bean Moosh1e, let us suffer in the torment of your creativity until you release what needs to be released.Guys, guys! Let's stop thisGosh, I would make everybody happy if I just started spoiling the plot (or spoilering?
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Time will tell who was right anyway
Your goal is to try to make the player feel as if he is MC, to create an immersive experience. If you are successful with that goal, can you not see why a player might not want to see his sister/LI working as a prostitute? How can you justify her becoming a whore in her situation. She's a virgin, she's a teenager, she's in love with her brother, her family is relatively well off and one day she just decides to become a prostitute? To get a car? My suggestion as it has always been, make her content there avoidable. Do not take it out for those who like it, but make it avoidable like most of the other content. You will make everyone happy.I don't want to keep going around and around. People are already very aggressive about this on both sides of the issue. But just to try and make it absolutely clear what your position is:
It's not that there is a very forceful sex scene with Rachel if you choose the corruption path (as that is avoidable if you go the Love route). Your problem with the story is that even on the Romance route you still have to do some interactions with Rachel at the Red Maiden during the beginning of her route. Correct?
If so, why is that? Is it because she is doing stuff with a stranger (which is the MC in disguise), or because you think she'll be traumatized by what happens regardless, or some other reason?