Pixiv is the start of the sanitazion of internet, enjoy your normie safe spaces, old internet is dead.

[anne O'nymous]

Now what the rest of us need to do is ditch these credit card companies that keep doing this. Visa & Mastercard in this case.

Good luck ditching the second and third card companies. Especially since the first one is Chinese, so surely way more fucked up.
The problem isn't the lack of alternative, but the lack of freedom you have with those alternatives. The logos you see at the entry of your favorite shops do not mean that they are sponsored by this card company, but that they accept their card. And of course, if they don't accept the card from your super lewd card company, that you now use because fuck Visa & Mastercard... well, the one fucked is you, not them.
And I don't talk about the trust issue. Knowing that I'll not be charged arbitrary fees every now and then, be covered in case of fraud, face a fast and effective reaction if I loose my card, and things like that, is something that matter when it come to my money.

 

[Sunshaded]

You are clearly reading into the announcement something you want to read into it.

I think people generally understand what this means at least as well as you do, but you're the only person who specifically wants to say "Hey! Look, the terms of use mentioned that obscenity is banned; this announcement is just a 'clarification' of what that means" as if it's the central issue; in other words, your viewpoint is pedantic.

Looking at your "fuck you sick perverts" hypothetical characterization of Pixiv's view on this, I suppose the bottom line is that you don't understand Japanese cultural views and are making assumptions about what their views are of the creative content on their own platform.

There is nothing in their announcement which talks about the theory that the credit card companies are threatening them to do so.

They specifically cite brand protection for credit card networks. And these changes don't apply to any non-monetized content. If you don't realize what that means, you're probably unaware of similar controversies, or playing dumb because you prefer to shift moral culpability to creators whose works dared to offend these companies, or some combination of those two...

ejmuerte Er, that tweet specifically mentions 3D artists who rendered snuff (like for example, a femdom scene where a sexy woman chops a dude's head off). In any case, it's a dumb tweet; it contrasts 7 with 14.26, but 14.26 has nothing to do with "real porn". I might be misreading it, since the original tweet is awkwardly phrased in the first place, but I believe the English TL there is also incorrect, and that the person is just saying vaguely guessing that 3D illustrations could have been considered legally equivalent to real porn by Pixiv management, when there's no basis whatsoever for that guess. saynu You're saying the same thing as ejmuerte about some anecdote related to AI art, do you have a Japanese source for this?

 

[anne O'nymous]

I think people generally understand what this means at least as well as you do,

Yet, this comment you just wrote prove that you absolutely not understood it. And I don't even talk about the long rant you wrote yesterday, where you explicitly said, near to every two sentences, that it was an effective rule change, and that it was forced onto Pixies by the card companies.

in other words, your viewpoint is pedantic.

And yours is childish, just saying.

They specifically cite brand protection for credit card networks. And these changes don't apply to any non-monetized content.

I know it will be a shock, but there's this thing called "time"...
You are ranting about a change that happened years ago, and that they needed to clarify today. And you're rating about it without knowing how they treated the issue when it happened, projecting your frustration to invent a whole story about them being forced to submit to the evil western morality ; as if "western morality" was a thing.

If you don't realize what that means, you're probably unaware of similar controversies, or playing dumb because you prefer to shift moral culpability to creators whose works dared to offend these companies, or some combination of those two...

Since you seem to claim to be aware of the similar controversies, I'll make mine Count Morado "sick pervert".
After all, whatever if it's Patreon or Tumblr, in both case the rule changes where due to the presence of real ch*ld p*rn, with a touch of prostitution in the case of Patreon. And I don't care what you'll think about me. I'm totally fine with virtual loli/shota, but real, and nowadays faked real, CP is where I draw the line. You can role play rapes, you can have sex with every animal you want, you can be as sickly pervert as you want, you can draw/render loli/shot characters having sex, but you fuckingly don't touch to real children, nor use AI to make it looks like it's real children, period.
As for Onlyfan, it's something different since it was Apple Store's rules that made them attempt to remove the adult content. They wanted their app to be present on the Apple Store, and it have a strict "no nudity and even less sex" rule.

 

[MangoTree]

anne O'nymous what's count morado?

 

[anne O'nymous]

anne O'nymous what's count morado?

No, the question is who's Count Morado


Edit:
Wanted to not bother him with an useless ping, ended bothering him with an even more useless ping...

 

[Rafster]

As for Onlyfan, it's something different since it was Apple Store's rules that made them attempt to remove the adult content. They wanted their app to be present on the Apple Store, and it have a strict "no nudity and even less sex" rule.

That wasn't tumblr?

 

[anne O'nymous]

That wasn't tumblr?

No. Tumblr was perhaps hit when they tried to join a store, honestly I don't remember the exact context. But the reason was that they suddenly discovered that probably more than half the underage teenage girls that had an account posted nudes every now and then, when it wasn't the main part of their content.
Clearly most of the "hey, want a look at my body" account at this time were run by girls between 15 and 21. I agree that practically speaking it's not CP as we imagine it, even when the photo were showing them masturbating, but it's still underage nude and underage pornography. And it's what led to the strike they took in plain face.
There were also supposedly effective CP here and there, but while it was relatively easy to find underage teen girls without even wanting it, personnaly I never saw effective CP when I was browsing Tumblr.

Side note because it's you: the same perhaps also apply to the underage teenage boys, I don't know since it's not something relevant to my interest.

 

[MuninKai]

The controversy stems from ai generated content and the fact that people were selling works of ai generated images from real cp,from the responses Japanese creators are getting from the staff it seems like for the most part only ultra realistic content will be banned from being sold with all art work being allowed to be posted on the main site only for free.

Well that's fucking grim.

It's also really funny to see some of these brain dead culture war takes. Bruh, woke gen Z blue hairs don't have control of VISA or Mastercard. You know who does? Boomer evangelicals. All the crackdowns on smut have been caused by a decades long war against pornography by pearl clutching conservatives. Always the same pattern. Attack a sensational, obviously outlandish fetish or trumped up scandal. Use it to create a legal precedent to censor material. Aggressively push the limits of that censorship until you can take down entire domains of porn. Tale as old as time. The enemies of a good and free internet wear three-piece suits not fursuits.

 

[Rafster]

No. Tumblr was perhaps hit when they tried to join a store, honestly I don't remember the exact context. But the reason was that they suddenly discovered that probably more than half the underage teenage girls that had an account posted nudes every now and then, when it wasn't the main part of their content.
Clearly most of the "hey, want a look at my body" account at this time were run by girls between 15 and 21. I agree that practically speaking it's not CP as we imagine it, even when the photo were showing them masturbating, but it's still underage nude and underage pornography. And it's what led to the strike they took in plain face.
There were also supposedly effective CP here and there, but while it was relatively easy to find underage teen girls without even wanting it, personnaly I never saw effective CP when I was browsing Tumblr.

Side note because it's you: the same perhaps also apply to the underage teenage boys, I don't know since it's not something relevant to my interest.

Interesting. I'm glad I'm just an old grumpy that doesn't even look at only fans, twitter, etc... I barely used tumblr, and just like you, never found CP. What? did you think you're the only grumpy old man? I'm just in the middle of the 40 age crisis

Holy shit, I guess I'm fortunate to not being turned on by twinks or teen-looking men. Lots of headaches avoided.

 

[MissFortune]

More and more I have more respect for Subscribestar for not bowing to this stupidity.

Who are very much on a downward spiral currently. Go take a peek at their subreddit or ask a few devs how it's going for them, it's not pretty.

 

[anne O'nymous]

What? did you think you're the only grumpy old man? I'm just in the middle of the 40 age crisis

I protest, I wasn't old when I was still on my forty, and neither am I now that I'm older

Who are very much on a downward spiral currently. Go take a peek at their subreddit or ask a few devs how it's going for them, it's not pretty.

I'll not say that I'm surprised. The site have always been too shady to be really trustworthy.
And I'm almost sure that there's just a small team of two/three peoples behind it, what is absolutely not suitable for this kind of business.

 

[Deleted member 107261]

Not to be rude but, most normal aka "normie" people don't rage at normal, completely sensible rules that society follows.
Why should us "normies" really care?

 

[Trickstar]

Not to be rude but, most normal aka "normie" people don't rage at normal, completely sensible rules that society follows.
Why should us "normies" really care?

Imagine thinking it's normal and sensible that payment processors can dictate what art your allowed to monetize for a site they don't own.

Unless your one of those clowns who think Lolis and rape hentai is bad now. Either way it is not being a normie for thinking this is sensible but rather a moron as thinking this censorship is okay is anything but sensible.

Don't be stupid brother be better.

 

[Deleted member 107261]

Imagine thinking it's normal and sensible that payment processors can dictate what art your allowed to monetize for a site they don't own.

Unless your one of those clowns who think Lolis and rape hentai is bad now. Either way it is not being a normie for thinking this is sensible but rather a moron as thinking this censorship is okay is anything but sensible.

Don't be stupid brother be better.

Imagine thinking that being attracted to kids and animals is normal.
Which one of us needs to do better, exactly?

 

[Count Morado]

Looking at your "fuck you sick perverts" hypothetical characterization of Pixiv's view on this, I suppose the bottom line is that you don't understand Japanese cultural views and are making assumptions about what their views are of the creative content on their own platform.

Actually, no. I understand there are differences in culture and values and morals and ethics with every group of people. And I'm not here to shove my ethics or morals down someone's throat. At the same time, I can read a very simple announcement and take it for what it is rather than to attempt to read into it some malicious intent, malfeasance, or conspiracy that's out to get people.

Again, you read what you wanted to read in what I was being very clear about. Yes, I used extreme hypothetical language to make my case (because you are very well aware that there must be those within pixiv's offices who do have that opinion) - and you took it personally - just as you seem to have with pixiv's announcement.

There are two ways this could have gone down:

1. Pixiv could have easily terminated every single account immediately - without warning and without apology - that it decided was in violation with its current TOU. The staff is well within the right to do so as laid forth in the TOU.
2. Remind users what is not allowed on the site and where some content was still allowed. Reference example topics to help users understand. Give users a reasonable amount of time to make sure that accounts update settings and move/remove content that violates TOU before more stringent enforcement of TOU begins.

Pixiv chose the second. Pixiv told users to get their shit together based upon the current TOU so that in a month when there is more clarity in the language of the TOU, users would already be in compliance.

Again, just because people are getting away with violations to any site's TOU or their own locality's laws doesn't mean they aren't doing anything wrong. It just means they either haven't been caught or haven't been held accountable, yet.

No, the question is who's Count Morado
Edit:
Wanted to not bother him with an useless ping, ended bothering him with an even more useless ping...

You pinger, you!

 

[Trickstar]

Actually, no. I understand there are differences in culture and values and morals and ethics with every group of people. And I'm not here to shove my ethics or morals down someone's throat. At the same time, I can read a very simple announcement and take it for what it is rather than to attempt to read into it some malicious intent, malfeasance, or conspiracy that's out to get people.

Again, you read what you wanted to read in what I was being very clear about. Yes, I used extreme hypothetical language to make my case (because you are very well aware that there must be those within pixiv's offices who do have that opinion) - and you took it personally - just as you seem to have with pixiv's announcement.

There are two ways this could have gone down:

1. Pixiv could have easily terminated every single account immediately - without warning and without apology - that it decided was in violation with its current TOU. The staff is well within the right to do so as laid forth in the TOU.
2. Remind users what is not allowed on the site and where some content was still allowed. Reference example topics to help users understand. Give users a reasonable amount of time to make sure that accounts update settings and move/remove content that violates TOU before more stringent enforcement of TOU begins.

Pixiv chose the second. Pixiv told users to get their shit together based upon the current TOU so that in a month when there is more clarity in the language of the TOU, users would already be in compliance.

Again, just because people are getting away with violations to any site's TOU or their own locality's laws doesn't mean they aren't doing anything wrong. It just means they either haven't been caught or haven't been held accountable, yet.

You pinger, you!

Love how you go out of your way to write a bunch paragraphs no one cares about just to justify censorship. I can almost smell the bootlegging from here lmao.

Edit: bootlicking blame my autocorrect lol

 

[Deleted member 107261]

Oh so you are one of those retards that cant tell the difference between fiction and reality, everything makes sense then. No wonder that your such a hypocrite with your stance then.

You've done a lot of work to rationalize being attracted to things that are frowned upon in society and adverse to nature in general. The biggest issue, though is that some people don't stop at fantasy. Some people act on their degen behavior. Some are easily swayed and impressionable - in other words, if they aren't exposed to an idea to begin with, they will never become captivated by it. You could argue that those people are weak willed, but we all are in some arenas - including yourself.

The good thing is, none of that matters.

Ultimately you can rationalize it any way you want, but nothing's been taken from you. If you want to participate in degenerate behavior go for it, it's the same it's always been in life.

You're not upset that it's been "taken" from you, you're upset that you may have to actually face consequences for something you indulge in. That's the law of the universe (action / reaction) , who are you - exactly - to defy that?

 

[anne O'nymous]

Oh so you are one of those retards that cant tell the difference between fiction and reality, everything makes sense then. No wonder that your such a hypocrite with your stance then.

I wonder if you really expected to look something else than uneducated, and deprived of any valid arguments, when you decided that calling him, and those who share his view, "retards" would be a good idea.

 

[Trickstar]

You've done a lot of work to rationalize being attracted to things that are frowned upon in society and adverse to nature in general. The biggest issue, though is that some people don't stop at fantasy. Some people act on their degen behavior.

Just look at the way you're defending it, for example. But - the good thing is, none of that matters.
Ultimately you can rationalize it any way you want, but nothing's been taken from you. If you want to participate in degenerate behavior go for it, it's the same it's always been in life. You may have to face consequences for your actions.

You're not upset that it's been "taken" from you, you're upset that you may have to actually face consequences for a thing. That's the law of the universe, who are you - exactly - to defy that?

Okay this is one of the most retarded things I have read on this site lmao, "don't stop at fantasy" literally zero studies or evidence actually support that it is literally just your braindead take on how you think it is degenerate with no basis in reality. You are exactly like the people who scream video games cause violence, just uneducated smh. You also act like because something is frowned upon by society it is bad somehow there are plenty of things that society frowns upon that is just straight up braindead.

Love how you also talk about consequences like anyone is going to show up to your house and take you to jail for watching rape hentai loli hentai or anything like it lmao. There are no consequences and in fact it is legal in some places as well such as the usa lol.

You have zero idea what you are talking about at the end of the day and just want shit censored because you don't like it lmao.

 

[Deleted member 107261]

Love how you also talk about consequences like anyone is going to show up to your house and take you to jail for watching rape hentai loli hentai or anything like it lmao. There are no consequences and in fact it is legal in some places as well such as the usa lol.

You have zero idea what you are talking about at the end of the day and just want shit censored because you don't like it lmao.

This is about the reaction I expected. Anytime anyone with unrealistic expectations of reality is confronted with the "consequences of their own poor choices" some measure of cognitive dissonance will prevail.

I'll just say it a bit more simply, "Why do you think you're exempt to following the rules of society as the rest of us do?"
I happen to hate pedophiles. I wish it was legal to round them up and do vile things to them before giving them a swift and painful end.
Now, suppose you were one such person - would it then be fair or appropriate for me to end you given one facet of your personality that I deem misguided?

Your mindset is childish, apparent by all of the name calling (seriously? Do you think I would care if you insult me? )

If you don't want to adhere to society's rules, just don't be a part of society (and by extension, stop using the very same internet you're crowing about as "unfair"). The rest of us do, you don't see us complaining when you fap to carebears (or whatever you like).