what I am seeing is an inexperienced developer, so supporting can be considered and act of charity.
as far as earnings and expenses, I'll steal a ideal from David Copperfield
earnings > expenses = happy life
earnings < expenses = sad life
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as far as earnings and expenses, I'll steal a ideal from David Copperfield
earnings > expenses = happy life
earnings < expenses = sad life
In the game it is said that there are 15 new bus scences. I've seen 4 or 5 so far. Well that's something 
I mean... why not look yourself?
Patreon has it on his front page at the top:
Abelius
is creating Pizza Hot!
- 355 paid members
- 15 posts
- $2,089/month
SubscribeStar shows all the different subscription tiers if you scroll down a little, each tier show their monthly cost and how many people are subscribed to each. I trust you can do basic math to add them yourself but it comes out to a bit over $7300 / month with both combined.
Edit: I want to make it clear that I am not hating on the dev himself, I just think its pathetic of both him and anyone defending his actions because it does not matter if $7000 is enough for him to live a luxurious life on its own or not or if a "real" software developer earns $200k a year doing a FULL TIME JOB.
The point is that this is a lot of money, an absurd amount of money, for the amount of content that he is putting out. If people want to be idiots and support that lifestyle of his its their choice but people should not be here justifying it or trying to deflect criticism for it.
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The sad reality is that nobody cares. They only care about the outcome. This is true for indie projects or AAA games - this rule even applies to other industries. If someone was renovating your home and only got half done - you wouldn't care how hard they worked or how many nails they hammered, you'd only care there's a big unfinished hole in the wall.
You have to define what you mean by "toxic". Discussing topics in a way you disagree with isn't toxic.
Also I'm not sure what you mean by my ego taking a hit. What ego? Why did it take a hit? I'm not upset about anything - I just find the discussion interesting.
How much money do you think a software developer makes per month if they only have this kind of work output?
Probably none because they would be out on the streets within the month for "skipping work" and not even calling in.
To say in Seattle its easy for any developer to find a 200k annual salary job is nonsense. I don't know where the hell you get that numbers from but its so out of touch. I'd say u gonna be a chartered software engineer and like 10+ years experience in senior position for that (and u better be really really good at the job). Any qualifications below that I strongly believe companies would rather hire people overseas with similar experience but a lower salary for the job.
But I do agree with you those numbers aren't important anyway. The amount of money the dev currently earn or expect to earn does not change the quality and quantity of his updates. If someone like the current results he can support the dev. Anything else is the dev's own problem and should not be the players/supporters' concern.
Ya'll really do think companies start working on products the moment you first hear about them don't you?
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You're right - a GOOD developer with experience can easily find that kind of money. I don't mean to overstate the case - just that in Seattle or SF or whatever, for someone with even halfway decent skills $80k is below entry level wages. But your broader point is spot on. The total money doesn't really matter, or make a good case (unless the dev is clear about what their minimum threshold is for being able to afford to continue the work) it's about whether the output is of sufficient value to you for your contribution.
They should set a time limit for the projects, or at least indicate the approximate time that the project will last.
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Anything involving the fox is cursed. I've seen many dev teams take it on, and none of them have lasted.
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I had a lot of hope that it would be a good game, but it's just serving pizza
Apologies, I did not look hard enough, got it now, thanks for clarifying.
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We support developers because we appreciate their product, but at it's core we ARE paying for a product. If I am paying a developer, no matter if it is an indie developer or a AAA developer, I will pay as long as I see consistent results. More supporters will join and money will be earned if the game's progress shows steady version releases.
I have to admit that I do enjoy this game, definitely not the grindy aspect but I've learned to automate that.
I tend to play it from time to time when I begin to forget.
But man is it really a struggle to play it just to get a few scenes, specially considering the Dev said they didn't want to make certain types of content that this game is definitely aiming for...
I really wish you could just embrace the corruption, would at least make it fun and somewhat unique.
I tend to play it from time to time when I begin to forget.
But man is it really a struggle to play it just to get a few scenes, specially considering the Dev said they didn't want to make certain types of content that this game is definitely aiming for...
I really wish you could just embrace the corruption, would at least make it fun and somewhat unique.
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There's a slight difference. You're FUNDING development, which normally means you would be looking for a return on investment once the product is ready - but in this case, you are getting some agreed upon rewards instead of a share of the profit from sales. The problem is that development isn't always smooth and linear, and that's even more true the smaller your team is - being sick for a week during a given month means that the output of a single person team is down 25% from baseline. Tack on a couple of other challenges, and it's easy to see how updates slip completely, or contain way less content than anyone wants. Not to mention that unless your patreon bucks are substantially higher than your monthly expenses, you either have to have a backup fund to cover attrition of funding, a second job, or regularly do a bunch of promotion to bring new funding in. And if your issue is that it turns out to be harder than you thought it would be to make as much content as your audience wants every month, then you need to figure out whether adding someone else to the team (or farming out some aspect on contract) is worth the additional tax of communicating, meeting, documenting and all of the other stuff that you have to do when you collaborate.
Just saying - this ain't an easy thing to do well, and the audience isn't very forgiving - unless you're making a furry game - the furries will forgive any amount of delay, sandbagging and grift if they think you're going to make something they'll like.
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don't mind me, just reminding everyone about all the dozens of japanese devs that create whole ass games with next to no support consistently without crying about it while living in a first world country that is moderately expensive
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0.11 Save File attached below:
- All Groping scenes unlocked
- All Skip Work options unlocked
- Max stats and all clothes unlocked
Notes:
I've "seen" all the 15 groping events and I'm sharing the 0.11 saves to watch them at leisure and skip the useless grind. Also, I've fixed my previous save that had 24 Exhibition stat instead of 25, so now the MC can go without a bra and panties with some clothes.
To watch the groping twice within the same day, Skip work > Back to house* > Go to massage parlor, Reject massage > Back to house*
*All the 15 options to replay the groping events will be shown here while returning on the bus. Enjoy!
- All Groping scenes unlocked
- All Skip Work options unlocked
- Max stats and all clothes unlocked
Notes:
I've "seen" all the 15 groping events and I'm sharing the 0.11 saves to watch them at leisure and skip the useless grind. Also, I've fixed my previous save that had 24 Exhibition stat instead of 25, so now the MC can go without a bra and panties with some clothes.
To watch the groping twice within the same day, Skip work > Back to house* > Go to massage parlor, Reject massage > Back to house*
*All the 15 options to replay the groping events will be shown here while returning on the bus. Enjoy!
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