Unity Abandoned Pizza Hot! [v0.12] [Abelius]

[himler]

This is a setting that definitely needs to be changed while the game is running. maybe with CHEAT ENGINE it is possible to do it?

Cheat engine doesn't work with this game. It's very easy to just modify the save file values and load it. You don't have to quit the game just save, edit, load.

 

[DreamingAway]

Except that's not what Abelius is doing at all. Blackmail? Where? He's just doing the usual: Contribute if you want it sooner. If you don't, you get it later. Or at least when someone decides to leak the latest here.

He's stated if the monthly donation pool doesn't reach a certain threshold the game can't continue.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that either. That's the reality of his situation.
He needs a certain income to continue developing the game.

From a certain "donator" perspective, they now feel beholden to commit to the game not because they want to donate or tip the person making it but because they know if the developer doesn't make that sum of money - the game they want is going to die.

Abelius isn't shy about this topic either - he talks about donations falling or support falling almost every month.. he made an entire fork of his own game called "Cold Pizza" because he was worried people weren't donating over the lack of adult content.

Talking about money or lack of money in almost every subscribestar update - I would not call a "tip jar" ecosystem.

Please read the entire conversation to contextualize my reply before hopping in off a single word I said. Otherwise your post just comes off as bad faith.

 

[badlulu]

They are getting $5275 on Subscribestar alone, with another $2106 from Patreon so in total $7381 every, single, month.
Yet they can not update the game even once per month?

They are struggling with the creative flow but can not hire someone or a bunch of someones to write events for him?
How much more dollah dollah does he need per month to "has more time to focus on the project or hire extra help"?


You also have to realize that in all likelihood the majority of those people pouring money into his gaping mouth every month came from this site or sites similar to this one, the ecosystem works by games getting free advertisement and exposure and only a immature child would not realize the value of this even if only a small % of people that pirate the game ends up supporting with money it is still a net positive, this thread alone apparently has over 2 million views.

With cash flow comes expectations and a baseline of "credibility" otherwise they will get ridiculed and called out for their lack of it, pulling in over $7k every month and still being unable to provide even monthly updates is a strong signal for what type of dev this is.

How much money do you think a software developer makes per month if they have a regular job?

 

[DreamingAway]

How much money do you think a software developer makes per month if they have a regular job?

This heavily depends on industry / location / currency type.
What is average for one person could be a fortune for someone else.

Without adjusting for these factors the whole conversation is moot.

 

[uillas]

Played for about a week, ultimately every design choice was made to slow down progression and drip feed you what little content there is. Entertaining, but disappointing

 

[johnyakuza1]

They are getting $5275 on Subscribestar alone, with another $2106 from Patreon so in total $7381 every, single, month.
Yet they can not update the game even once per month?

And the fact that he's looking towards AI and ChatGPT to generate the story and ideas, the situation becomes even more pitiful sadly.

 

[DreamingAway]

And the fact that he's looking towards AI and ChatGPT to generate the story and ideas, the situation becomes even more pitiful sadly.

I was helping him setup a local install to run a general LLM in discord but I guess he still reads this thread cause he kicked me from his discord later.

I don't want to toot my own horn here but I 100% called it..

I think he genuinely doesn't enjoy working on it. He wants to make engine features and solve coding problems not develop new content for his fans to enjoy

I'm getting a feeling.. that the thing this game most needs - is the thing they least enjoy doing and thus are putting off, which is writing narrative driven "one off story content"

I could tell by where he was focusing his effort (height sliders, engine features, etc) and the fact that the game is over a year in development and only has a bare bones introduction of the story.. that he was avoiding it.

I hope he can get the LLM running and working otherwise I don't imagine there's gonna be much more story content in the future.

His other option is to hire a writer but that would mean sharing his subscribestar & patreon profits.

 

[kymico]

I use AI tools for a bunch of things for work to better support my work planning/creativity/time efficiency. It's how you leverage these tools to support your goals that matters most. I think the way the Dev positioned this is more of an excuse than anything else.

The game is now well over 2 years old, and development stalled for half that time, thus why support is dropping. Creating a side story didn't help at all (is this a surprise?). If he's truly making that much, let go of some of that and take on someone to support your needs. If he wants more support, roll up the sleeves and put in the work.

In the end though.... excuses, excuses and excuses.

 

[DrDerpington]

whats new?

When the new release doesnt have a changelog, it is a bad news.

Only new thing people have found in 0.11 update: bus groping scene while returning from work. That is all!!!

Developer of this game is making around 7000$ every single month and yet he is unable to do any work at all. This game went though development hell phase and now it turned into a money scam.

 

[badlulu]

This heavily depends on industry / location / currency type.
What is average for one person could be a fortune for someone else.

Without adjusting for these factors the whole conversation is moot.

Agreed. My point is that the amount of money he's making is quite a bit less than many software developers in regular jobs - it's not a ridiculous income for a single person team - and if he lives in an expensive place, it may be actually a quite low salary. After the percentage that Patreon/Subscribestar take, he's making about $80k a year on this project. In some cities in the US, that's not enough to afford a one bedroom apartment - much less hire other people to support the project on top of covering living expenses.

The income criticisms here are often totally off base. Critiques about the work output relative to what the dev promised are totally fair. Unless you have knowledge of their living situation and expenses, the complaints about income are just silly. Relatively few of the devs here make enough to have this even be their primary income unless they live in a 3rd world country, much less hire additional people to help.

 

[Mosman44]

Please read the entire conversation to contextualize my reply before hopping in off a single word I said. Otherwise your post just comes off as bad faith.

I had no issue with the rest of your post. Especially the part about f95 being a great source of advertising for games. After all I'm a Pizza Hot contributor who never would have heard about the game had I not seen it here first. But the blackmail description seemed a bit over the top, which is why I chose to comment.

He's stated if the monthly donation pool doesn't reach a certain threshold the game can't continue.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that either. That's the reality of his situation.
He needs a certain income to continue developing the game.

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Talking about money or lack of money in almost every subscribestar update - I would not call a "tip jar" ecosystem.

I looked back through his current Subscribestar posts. Last time he said anything about money was August 9 when apparently he broke even for the first time. He has been claiming that the game is his only source of family income. If that is true, a fact which is admittedly hard to verify, then I can understand his eagerness for having enough patrons. And perhaps he talked about his need for certain amounts of money more openly then other game devs in such posts. For a suspicious bunch like many here on F95, I suppose that's a red flag.

But he hasn't said anything more about money since August. If people want to keep contributing and raising his earnings above break even levels, they have every right to do so. I think that increase in donations reflects a high-potential product that has actually increased its release rate in the last few months (relative to the previous year). If not as quickly as the F95 masses want.

 

[DrDerpington]

Agreed. My point is that the amount of money he's making is quite a bit less than many software developers in regular jobs - it's not a ridiculous income for a single person team - and if he lives in an expensive place, it may be actually a quite low salary. After the percentage that Patreon/Subscribestar take, he's making about $80k a year on this project. In some cities in the US, that's not enough to afford a one bedroom apartment - much less hire other people to support the project on top of covering living expenses.

The income criticisms here are often totally off base. Critiques about the work output relative to what the dev promised are totally fair. Unless you have knowledge of their living situation and expenses, the complaints about income are just silly. Relatively few of the devs here make enough to have this even be their primary income unless they live in a 3rd world country, much less hire additional people to help.

Stop defending the dev. It is just excuses. Bad excuses.

7000$ a month is a good salary for majority of a world. Do you know what is an average salary in USA? It is 60000$ a year. That is around 5000 a month!!! And USA is one of the more expensive countries to live in. He is above average salary.

If he seriously wants to make more money, then he would have put more work into development. But development speed of this game is outright TERRIBLE! There is no excuse for that.
The developer's efforts can be summed up with: trying to milk the cow with minimal effort.

 

[Pompom51]

I remember this game, I played version 0.08. Tell me, is it already playable or is there just not enough content?

 

[DrDerpington]

I remember this game, I played version 0.08. Tell me, is it already playable or is there just not enough content?

0.11 is pretty much same as old 0.08. Barely any new content.

Update 0.11 has introduced ONE new scene: groping in the bus when heroine is going back from work.
It is slightly different from previous groping scenes in the bus. Those scenes happened while she was going to work. To the dev it apparently makes huge difference.

Update 0.10 has also only introduced only ONE new scene: her roomate Kayla was mooning over heroine during night. That is all.

You might notice a pattern there.

 

[spectre87]

Cheat engine doesn't work with this game. It's very easy to just modify the save file values and load it. You don't have to quit the game just save, edit, load.

I already tried to change this, but it doesn't work, it returns the previous value. the only things I can change are stress and excitement. but exhibitionism does not change. In previous versions it worked but not anymore. how did you do it?

 

[badlulu]

Stop defending the dev. It is just excuses. Bad excuses.

7000$ a month is a good salary for majority of a world. Do you know what is an average salary in USA? It is 60000$ a year. That is around 5000 a month!!! And USA is one of the more expensive countries to live in. He is above average salary.

If he seriously wants to make more money, then he would have put more work into development. But development speed of this game is outright TERRIBLE! There is no excuse for that.
The developer's efforts can be summed up with: trying to milk the cow with minimal effort.

Average in the USA includes a lot of rural places with a pretty low COL, and a lot of people who are earning the federal minimum wage, which is ridiculously low compared to what people need to survive. Again - in a city like SF or Seattle, you can hardly afford a 1BR apartment at $80k per year. I'm not saying that $80k per year is peanuts - I'm saying that a full time developer in these areas can EASILY be making $200k per year in a regular job. If you want that person to spend their time making your porn games, you need to understand what the opportunity cost is for them.

Above average only matters when compared to the actual COL in the area.

Just because it sounds like a lot of money to you (relative to where YOU live) doesn't mean that the dev is living the high life on the income you see.

I couldn't afford to live on that salary. I'd have to move somewhere WAY cheaper to survive, which isn't a reasonable expectation. You can argue that people in the US are overpaid, which is a potentially reasonable argument in some sense (aside from the fact that there's no social safety net here unlike any other developed country) but is a significantly different discussion than whether they're producing enough content to make you happy. Keep the money out of the conversation unless you know WAY more about the developer's circumstances - it doesn't actually make your argument better.

 

[terirheken]

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Seems like AI writing is to be implemented for the game.

That's rather bad. Not the AI writing in particular, but if Dev so early has no real plan moving forward with the story it will most likely end up abandoned or just randomly add new scenes from time to time without any real progress or anything

 

[DreamingAway]

Just because it sounds like a lot of money to you (relative to where YOU live) doesn't mean that the dev is living the high life on the income you see.

I should note that when I was helping him setup a LLM so he could generate story writing with AI (as per the announcement above) he did tell me he has a 3080 video card.. so I doubt he's starving either.

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I don't think this is a problem though. If he's successful because he produces a product people want more power to him. Even if he breaks promises and lies and cheats on his taxes. It's a free economy. If people wanna fund what he's doing - great.

I can only speak for myself.

 

[MiaRaven]

Stop defending the dev. It is just excuses. Bad excuses.

7000$ a month is a good salary for majority of a world. Do you know what is an average salary in USA? It is 60000$ a year. That is around 5000 a month!!! And USA is one of the more expensive countries to live in. He is above average salary.

If he seriously wants to make more money, then he would have put more work into development. But development speed of this game is outright TERRIBLE! There is no excuse for that.
The developer's efforts can be summed up with: trying to milk the cow with minimal effort.

He is taking notes from wolfzq from crused armor, dont know who is stopid enough to support him for a whole year for 2 scenes, jesus christ

 

[Optimelle]

I have no idea how you got the $7000/month figure or if it can be verified. If someone could confirm I would appreciate it.

Using AI to help with the writing. Why is that so wrong? I know several people who wrote articles and even study papers with the help of AI. I am not saying the AI made it entirely but AI was used to smooth things out and proofread the whole thing. Plus AI can give you different results so it will increase the time spent on ideas and polish them. Nothing bad with that. Or would you prefer we get to the same tired topics 80% of the games here use?

Also let us not forget the dev is not an artist. All the art was done by a hired artist. That costs a few bucks too.

Also, no one talks about how one can always end their support for whatever reason.

Finally, people here only see the result and even then you choose to ignore it. Version 0.11 is actually v0.11.g can you guess how many v.11 were there in total? Can you guess how much work was sunk into those? Can anyone hope to guess what the latest updates are for the supporters?

Being toxic for toxicity's sake is just a waste of everyone's time. If you don't like it, just ignore the topic and you will never have a reason to complain. It is indeed that simple.

DreamingAway it's obvious your ego took a hit and you are taking it all here in this forum. Kind of childish but you're calling me immature. Is there an end goal or were you just venting and now you're defending your statements?