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Do they ever explain how fusion works lore wise, something just feels off about it. I saw the eggs, but not the fusion.
Either because of the 3 story tall blender room from the one game from guy who made mad island or the sacrifice angle starcraft goes with for the archon fusion.

Didn't really like the dismantle feature in Monster Black Market, the world is dark enough and it just happens to include butchery for one reason or another, to stand out? Are we that used to rape and enslavement that we gotta go a step further now?
It's not even in your face about it like mad island or black market or even rimworld, it's just 'oh you chop people and monster up for parts' and that's it.
Felt like it was an afterthought for 'how do I make the game stand out more than the usual brothel sim' felt like the artwork and animations did a phenomenal job of that and that extra edge was unnecessary with how much of a footnote the butchery is, could've easily been the lab assistants angle like the libary in this game.
 

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has syvaron even gave a mention about a update?
if anything portal terraforming could be worked towards balancing between a resource syphon or a genetics syphon with the option of doing extreme drainage at the cost of world stability once you beat the final boss because le godpowers, i also miss the ability of taking giant units on the smaller portals in the same way you bring them in or having spells/potions that affect size for a while, cloning would be good too in order to get unique npc's on NG runs.
oh Alexander Krisnov, apologies for tag but files.fm links are expired.
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I liked the hives messing up worlds and you either make more of it happen or stop it from happening depending on your MC.
Town building is nice, but a bit clunky, the collect mechanic is a neat trade off of stamina+time vs orders and gold early on.
One thing I've noticed, but haven't progressed far enough to play with is the settle mechanic, saw the high fertility/virility adds to what types of monsters you see in the portal in question, forgot the exact specific effects of each one so I only mentioned the one I remember.

Adapt and the flora overworld ability are the stuff more in line with the hive terraforming that I was hoping for.
I'm not too sure what I'm even looking for, starbound had a worldwide terrforming thing, but that seems excessive somehow, but terraforming a hell portal to make it easy to snag demongirls sounds fun too.

I guess I like the things in the game right now, but it could always be better.
1.Town building.
2.Small scale terraforming+hive corruption.
3.Changing/terraforming monster type spawns.

Never really understood why the town building is competing with the home resource upgrade, is it for expensive-consistent trade off, option to ignore the town building, not removed but one of them is on the chopping block if they can't be reconciled.

On a side note, I remember reading building roads or building in general somehow helps against hives, but I don't really understand how that works mechanically asides from brute forcing spawn locations by paving over the entire portal.
 

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has syvaron even gave a mention about a update?
if anything portal terraforming could be worked towards balancing between a resource syphon or a genetics syphon with the option of doing extreme drainage at the cost of world stability once you beat the final boss because le godpowers, i also miss the ability of taking giant units on the smaller portals in the same way you bring them in or having spells/potions that affect size for a while, cloning would be good too in order to get unique npc's on NG runs.
oh Alexander Krisnov, apologies for tag but files.fm links are expired.
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np lemme see if we can get it back

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I've had the 2nd Orana event fire and it doesn't seem to update her max level like it says it does, just gives me the skill.
Looked it up to see if it was a bug, the only thing I noticed is that there was a 1st event that didn't fire and that the 2nd one that did was supposed to fire at 15, instead of 8 in my run.
 

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Don't know how to make bepin mods but here's my edited dll (for version 0.30.0.0), to get 700 points (enough to pick everything you can for mc and starters) pick these mc and starter options on startup
also i've made it so "strong" trait gives way more carry weight so you can haul all of the loot from any portal
the traveling info is contained in assembly.dll? i was hoping for a mod that curbs the insane travel times and defaults them all to 1 minute per hexagon.
 

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Hi thread, long time no see. The spirits conversation was fun to read through, and I'm already very upset at the person who wants to take them away! Only rivaled by my confusion over the guy saying he's has to drag spirits into battle as deadweight?! Why bring them into combat if you're treating them as dead weight? You can min/max the ever living hell out them without ever touching combat, so why use them when they suck?

has syvaron even gave a mention about a update?
In the interest of checking, I looked for any message Syv sent to discord that included the word terraform or terraforming, and it sure as hell doesn't look like. He hasn't mentioned terraforming in months, and every time I've seen him talk about what he is working on, it's mostly additional art and events. Trying to make dating more interesting past the first few in game days, I guess lol

Do they ever explain how fusion works lore wise
Yes!

It doesn't!

Unless it's changed in the last like, two years or so, Fusion was a non-canon game mechanic. You're not actually growing an ever expanding list of people you've inflicted full ego deaths upon. I asked on discord way back when lol
 
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Do they ever explain how fusion works lore wise, something just feels off about it. I saw the eggs, but not the fusion.
Either because of the 3 story tall blender room from the one game from guy who made mad island or the sacrifice angle starcraft goes with for the archon fusion.

Didn't really like the dismantle feature in Monster Black Market, the world is dark enough and it just happens to include butchery for one reason or another, to stand out? Are we that used to rape and enslavement that we gotta go a step further now?
It's not even in your face about it like mad island or black market or even rimworld, it's just 'oh you chop people and monster up for parts' and that's it.
Felt like it was an afterthought for 'how do I make the game stand out more than the usual brothel sim' felt like the artwork and animations did a phenomenal job of that and that extra edge was unnecessary with how much of a footnote the butchery is, could've easily been the lab assistants angle like the libary in this game.
Unless it's changed in the last like, two years or so, Fusion was a non-canon game mechanic. You're not actually growing an ever expanding list of people you've inflicted full ego deaths upon. I asked on discord way back when lol
I checked the discord, last time Syv mentioned Fusion was in 2023, so literally yes like 2 years ago lol.
According to their comments (not canon until it hits the game but this is the Developer sooo) it works basically like breeding does in PoP, in that two people provide crystalized mana/genetics and then they come together keeping parts and discarding others. It's basically instant baby making but you both get used as materials for it, also the knowledge is very rare on most worlds, especially newer worlds according to Syv, which is why few people make use of it on Phereon.
Also there is a beach event where someone fuses and then later unfuses, so it may not be permanent/maybe it can be undone.

Also interesting and discussed was the matter of wombs, monster-girls apparently do not have them, the specifics of their biology is lore you can get from playing Alt-endings though so i won't go to deep.
Humans do still have wombs though, according to Syv all human women have basically a hidden "Womb Trait" that allows continued population growth in low-mana environments lmao.

Also to answer your other question Pmonk, that's 100% someones fetish, not just a means to stand out, and by someone i mean me.
Don't worry though, that's not what this games doing, it's basically gem melding from Steves Universe, like almost one for one.
 
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You're not actually growing an ever expanding list of people you've inflicted full ego deaths upon.
I'd feel less wigged out if the game let you unfuse them in the future then, unless I somehow missed that button, if the gem melding stuff the other guy mentioned is a 1 for 1.
Had a friend talk about that show, dunno much about it, but saw enough pictures to be vaguely aware those fusions are a temporary deal.
I checked the discord, last time Syv mentioned Fusion was in 2023, so literally yes like 2 years ago lol.
According to their comments (not canon until it hits the game but this is the Developer sooo) it works basically like breeding does in PoP, in that two people provide crystalized mana/genetics and then they come together keeping parts and discarding others. It's basically instant baby making but you both get used as materials for it, also the knowledge is very rare on most worlds, especially newer worlds according to Syv, which is why few people make use of it on Phereon.
Also there is a beach event where someone fuses and then later unfuses, so it may not be permanent/maybe it can be undone.

Also interesting and discussed was the matter of wombs, monster-girls apparently do not have them, the specifics of their biology is lore you can get from playing Alt-endings though so i won't go to deep.
Humans do still have wombs though, according to Syv all human women have basically a hidden "Womb Trait" that allows continued population growth in low-mana environments lmao.

Also to answer your other question Pmonk, that's 100% someones fetish, not just a means to stand out, and by someone i mean me.
Don't worry though, that's not what this games doing, it's basically gem melding from Steves Universe, like almost one for one.
I get that the gore and dismemberment is someone's fetish, which is why I don't mind, but not interact with it too much or not at all in games like mad island or their brothel sim.
What I do mind was Monster Black Market's way of doing it, last I remember it was the dragon girl barely explaining it and the button labeled "dismantle"?, if you're gonna go that way, you might as well full send it instead of basically shoving it in like a token fetish.
Don't mind too much that the fetish exists just the fact it felt really lazy/?subtle/cowardly? the way it was implemented considering the fetish in question.
For example, I can't reword the 3 story tall blender room in any significant way, it's a 3 story tall blender you throw girls into and the animation probably is pretty explicit about it, but I probably won't have trouble the changing entire context of the dragon girl's mechanic in MBM by rewording a couple of letters/sentences and that button.

Unless you meant that there's a fusion fetish, I guess I can see that, but it didn't cross my mind at all and sounds really niche if it does exist.
Sounds like a lotta work to categorize that since it seems like it's either a sub genre fetish or totally unique depending on the context of the fusion and the what the post fusion personality is.
 
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Hello, brand new player, have a few questions
1. How the hell do you get skill points and what's the quickest way to grind them?
2. Is a summoner viable? I noticed Evolution can get a lot of summon skills. SpawnDrone, SpawnLavaDrone (via transforming into a lava broodqueen), SpawnFireBug, SpawnSymbiote. And there's a summon wisp too. Can I beat the game spamming only these?

My definition of "summoner" is all minions are 100% expendable and immediately replaceable. So not party members that need to be kept alive and leveled up.

3. If a summoner is viable, what's the build? I understand I need to max Magic and Size, how do you do that?

4. Is there a nude sprite for Creation in the portal stuff?
 
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I get that the gore and dismemberment is someone's fetish, which is why I don't mind, but not interact with it too much or not at all in games like mad island or their brothel sim.
What I do mind was Monster Black Market's way of doing it, last I remember it was the dragon girl barely explaining it and the button labeled "dismantle"?, if you're gonna go that way, you might as well full send it instead of basically shoving it in like a token fetish.
Don't mind too much that the fetish exists just the fact it felt really lazy/?subtle/cowardly? the way it was implemented considering the fetish in question.
For example, I can't reword the 3 story tall blender room in any significant way, it's a 3 story tall blender you throw girls into and the animation probably is pretty explicit about it, but I probably won't have trouble the changing entire context of the dragon girl's mechanic in MBM by rewording a couple of letters/sentences and that button.
I personally doubt MBM's dismantling exists as a fetish or to distinguish itself, seeing as how its not really focused on in such a way that'd fit either mold. If anything, it seems to be there to enable other mechanics, like crafting/creating the 2 big monsters or some of the potions/consumables. And of course as an alternate way to get rid of Monsters or Slaves, if you can't or don't want to sell them off

Sometimes things exist so other things can work, not everything in a game( porn or otherwise) is there as fetish fuel or to function as a "Special Mark/Feature" with which to distinguish itself from competition
 
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Hello, brand new player, have a few questions
Hi!

1. How the hell do you get skill points and what's the quickest way to grind them?
I'm high as shit, but I think the druid is just straight leveling different skill trees. So normal XP. I literally haven't played the druid in years, sorry lol

For Evo and Crea, you gain skill points using the Ritual skill.

I am so high and I cannot think of how to explain this... You want to use Ritual with the highest Max Level unit of each unique combo of species that you can. And you gain more skill points by finding a higher Max Level unit of that unique combo. You gain skill points for both of that units core species. Please tell me that makes sense lmao

I'm just going to post a picture of where you can see how many skill points you'll get... I just can't explain this nonsense.

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Open their main character sheet, click the portrait, point your mouse at -other-
You can see how many points you'll get from the ritual value at the bottom. Remember that its for both of that units species.

You can also see if they're available to submit to the library, which I use constantly lol

2. Is a summoner viable? I noticed Evolution can get a lot of summon skills. SpawnDrone, SpawnLavaDrone (via transforming into a lava broodqueen), SpawnFireBug, SpawnSymbiote. And there's a summon wisp too. Can I beat the game spamming only these?

My definition of "summoner" is all minions are 100% expendable and immediately replaceable. So not party members that need to be kept alive and leveled up.
Sure. Actually, there's a couple different ways to play like that. One of the achievements (for new unlocks at the start of the game) is literally just "Only the player may enter portals" lol

I've done summoner runs on both Evo and Crea. I can't remember if the druid does disposable minions like that. I got the achievement doing a tentacle spamming run with Crea lol

3. If a summoner is viable, what's the build? I understand I need to max Magic and Size, how do you do that?
I hate this question, because I think all of the named characters play so differently that the build you'll want to run depends on the character.

The obvious answer is playing Creation and just focusing on her Summon Tentacle skills. There's a bunch of options there.

One thing I will say, you're going to want to gain skill points in all the trees no matter what skills you like using. There's bonuses for pretty much every play style spread between the trees.

4. Is there a nude sprite for Creation in the portal stuff?
When running around on the hex grid? I'm pretty sure there's nude art for all of the characters and species combinations while on the grid. You'll see them in the nude if they're naked lol

There's also a setting in the options that will only show nude models on the grid. But I don't think there's a way to do like, use the nude model for only this unit (or I don't know where it is). I really wish it would just follow your in-city setting.
 

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Hello, brand new player, have a few questions
1. How the hell do you get skill points and what's the quickest way to grind them?
2. Is a summoner viable? I noticed Evolution can get a lot of summon skills. SpawnDrone, SpawnLavaDrone (via transforming into a lava broodqueen), SpawnFireBug, SpawnSymbiote. And there's a summon wisp too. Can I beat the game spamming only these?

My definition of "summoner" is all minions are 100% expendable and immediately replaceable. So not party members that need to be kept alive and leveled up.

3. If a summoner is viable, what's the build? I understand I need to max Magic and Size, how do you do that?

4. Is there a nude sprite for Creation in the portal stuff?
1.
What do you mean by skill points? Druid Skill points? The first three MC (Creation, Evolution, and Druid) all have different trees, the other 160~ options all just scale with genetics and level.
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If it was Druid when you first opened the skilltree (Change) this would have popped up in the top left and stayed open until you closed it by clicking the X flower.
It tells you that you select a type of training in the same skilltree menu on the bottom left

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After you have selected it you get skill points every time you level in the category you trained in
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as you can see i leveled up Strength training to level 3 by doing a fight in the arena, i now have 2 Global Skillpoints which can be spent anywhere, and 6 strength skill points (you get 3 attribute skill points and one general per training level.
early levels are easy to level, later ones need more XP, and you get more XP if you're alone, if the enemies are stronger than you, and by how much stronger.
there are also XP modifying traits, intelligent(you can grab it in the setup menu for a new game, or get it by mutagen rolling)
Light Affinity(take light elemental summoning at the start or find one)
and then Ancient power gives you 1/5th XP but you get better stats.
The best/fastest way to grind levels is to use the arena till you and your team can stand on their own, and then head to special portals, highest difficulty is best, and just sweep enemies up, ideally with AoE magic, usually you use spirits in the arena to get some high stats/level caps as they get better stats and genetic level cap every time they reshape after hitting level cap, and Druid to cap out needs to hit level 20 six times, so its gonna take a moment lol.
Anyway, just roll some spirits up a bit then fuse them with fodder to make the Fire dragon-girl special hybrid, either from tavern or overworlds. (Fused parts need to be fire lizard and harpy or phoenix/ or dragon-girl and lava girl.)
you want high magic and mana, then they just wipe out teams by themselves and you get the XP for sitting there.
There's definitely faster ways but this is the fastest one i can think of for a completely clean new save-file.

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If you're Evolution or Creation you get skill points by performing rituals on higher genetic max level creatures of the base and mixed species, you can't do it to fused ones, but you can fuse creatures to level 20 genetic max level and then have them breed you an array you can level off of. Just go to any allies page and hit the ritual button if it says you get points.

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I haven't personally run this yet, but i have seen people do it on the discord, so yes? Your definition of summoner might make it more or less viable. If your intention is to only use the MC and Combat summons i would probably go Creation and try to get her special quest summon, she also has slime bulbs which are basically turrets and can combat summon tentacles (and gets improved tentacles later unlike Evo) as tanks/seducers, you could definitely run Evo for this since they can change out their skills for more summon options like all the plant/insect/tanid tree options, though you'd still only have 4 skills in combat to choose from.

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If you allowed a full team of summoners, like 6 units you need to level up but all their skills are for summoning or buffing summons in combat, then i'd also run Creation, but Evo could work too, druid could maybe do some plant summon stuff but i don't think it would be as good. Other options for this would be like Flora MC to capture the Kitsune. Juliev gives spawned pylons double HP and 1 AP on spawn instead of 0, so definitely an option. There could be more, i don't have everyone unlocked lol.

3.
A bunch of starting traits and classes are locked behind doing the achievements but with what i have i'd do this for solo summoner.
Pick Creation, affinity doesn't really matter,
Injury, 50P, 50P, 100g, in town, small party, UnAssuming.
Magician Class, Potential, Evolved, Hidden power for tentacle swarm, you can take LifeRootand/or Summoner for more variety of summons but i wont bother, take every negative point trait, put magic gene to 10 because thats how combat summons scale as we cannot set ourselves to be gigantic, throw extra points into mana and HP, you will want them to be at leats 2 each. You may not be able to afford 10 Magic if you don't have all the unlocks, it will gimp you but lower it if needed.
Im using my starters as brothel minions, but give them some usueful traits to get you to an okay level if you like, maybe ligth affinity for that 25% XP boost.
Other than that it's just equipment and hoping your mutagen RNG isn't awful, grab empowered when it comes up, combine staves and wear magic boosting and mana boosting gear, summon your slimey minions and conquer the world.

4.
I don't think so? You mean her overworld combat sprite yeah? I think it only changes with corruption level, and maxed out corruption doesn't change her clothes.
 
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So helpful! I think I'm almost there, just need a little bit more help.

I downloaded the everything unlocked save just so I can see what's in the game and once I get a full grasp of this game's mechanics I will be deleting it because unlocking this is part of the fun.

I think I'm gonna play Evolution for 2 reasons.
1. I like how SpawnDrone and SpawnFireBug look way more than tentacles
2. Evo is nude in the overworld in her alternate forms. I don't think Creation has nude sprites. I enabled the everyone nude settings and everything and Creation is still clothed in the overworld. This is a porn game after all, I want that eye candy.

Difficulty
Game mode: Freeplay
Penalty: Death
MC-points: 50
Starter points: 0
Starting Money: -1000
Save Type: Town
Difficulty:121%

Traits/Profession
God (I know it's OP, once I get a good grasp of the game I'm gonna delete my save and try to unlock this legitly)

Hard Mode
Fragile
Lone Wolf
Bonus
Natural
Delayed

Potential
Evolved
Summoner

10 Magic
1 Mana

OK, so with that out of the way, I got a few more questions

1. SKILL POINTS (EVOLUTION)
Ok, so in order to get skill points, I need to do the following
a. Unlock every single species combination possible and do the ritual with them.
b. Increase genetic max level of every single species.
SO, how to do both??? How do you unlock every single species combination and how do you increase their max level???

I heard breeding and fusion? Could someone just type out a really quick step by step instruction to do the above in a brand new game?

Like I got my 2 starters and my MC. So I think I should make both starters Hybrids with 4 different species among them, and then have my MC shapeshfit into every possible combination of those 4 and breed with my starters to hatch as many different babies as possible?

If that's correct, how to I then proceed from there to unlock all the other species? And increase their genetic max level?

2. Character Capacity.
Lone wolf set me to 0 character capacity and my starters are "outside".
What does that mean? What's the penalty for 0 Character Capacity? What's the penalty for my starters being "outside"? Should I be trying to increase character capacity? I plan to play solo after all.

3. Can Druid play a summoner? From what I can see, they can only get a spirit summon that spawns at the beginning of combat so you can't spam it endlessly in combat to summon an army of them like you can of SpawnDrone and SpawnFireBug. They also only get SpawnWisp from the Summoner trait. Do they have any other summon skills? Because if it's just the summon wisp... unless that Spirit Summon is a game winning super minion I don't think a pure summoner is possible with druid.

4. How to use Tentacle Swarm? It summons tentacles from slime tiles in a cone so... how do you make a ton of slime tiles? Do you use the Overworld Spawn Tentacle skill to have a full party of tentacles in portals and then have them generate slime tiles?

5. How good/bad are SpawnParasite and SpawnSymbiote? Wiki says they're really weak but Creation has access to both and Evolution has access to just Symbiote.
 

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I personally doubt MBM's dismantling exists as a fetish or to distinguish itself, seeing as how its not really focused on in such a way that'd fit either mold. If anything, it seems to be there to enable other mechanics, like crafting/creating the 2 big monsters or some of the potions/consumables. And of course as an alternate way to get rid of Monsters or Slaves, if you can't or don't want to sell them off
I get that the mechanic exists to serve a purpose, it's the fact that the mechanic is so vague that changing the wording wouldn't make it not make sense.
It could've been exchange, trade, farm, or even sell again and it'd still make sense, but he chose to go with dismantle.
Sometimes things exist so other things can work, not everything in a game( porn or otherwise) is there as fetish fuel or to function as a "Special Mark/Feature" with which to distinguish itself from competition
I get that, but enough stuff has had stuff added in to it when it could've operated just fine without it, you can't help but think 'why would they add that'?
I reckon there's a reason why one of the more longer lived jokes about tv shows and books is the 'writer's barely disguised fetish'.
Like iCarly had a decent amount of feet scenes that I didn't notice when I was just a kid, but people pointed out just how many there were.
Those scenes could've been any other quirky teen trend and it'd still make sense, but dan chose to do feet.

But I do agree with you that this particular case is probably not fetish given MBM's track record, not that I looked at his pivix, but I can't type everything that comes to mind to account for every eventuality without going into blogging/yapping territory since I'm probably already edging it.
I just assumed he was doing the edgy dark fantasy thing a la goblin slayer, given that I'm pretty sure goblin slayer was a major FoTM thing at around that time.
I've noticed japanese dark fantasy likes their rape, even if it is just 1 for a tragic backstory, so how do you edgify dark fantasy if its already rapey, you add gorier fates and crueler than usual behavior.
Not to mention it was probably the first time in relatively recent events that something that had stuff that would've been relegated to japanese porn vns and games, niche ones at that, somehow made it big and was the main focus when people were talking about it(breeding stock, human shield armor etc).
So in people take notes from the FoTM or just copy it stuff outright cause why not. Cause I'm having a hard time remembering a popular porn game that uses human cattle (rape bait into just straight up slaughtering after they're done/outlived their usefulness) as an angle before that, cause the only time I've seen it before that time period was asanagi's one doujin and maybe the vns that uses his art style/made by him.

Everyone else was doing it, so maybe he felt compelled to add it, knowingly or not and ended up half assing it, and I dislike that.
But who knows, maybe I do hate guro instead of merely tolerating it, and me hating half assery or easily interchangable wording mechanics is just a smoke screen my subconcious mind is putting up.
Like endless words for zombie in various tv shows we know it's a zombie, why call it a zed or a corpse walker, at least some of them are just rabid humans lorewise or unique enough like shroom zombies instead of lazy renaming vs what is essentially trading a unit in for items being simply labled as dismantling and nothing more is done to it to distinguish it from trading for items, just have something there visually to make it inarguably dismantling instead of just changing 1 word.
 
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So helpful! I think I'm almost there, just need a little bit more help.

I downloaded the everything unlocked save just so I can see what's in the game and once I get a full grasp of this game's mechanics I will be deleting it because unlocking this is part of the fun.

I think I'm gonna play Evolution for 2 reasons.
1. I like how SpawnDrone and SpawnFireBug look way more than tentacles
2. Evo is nude in the overworld in her alternate forms. I don't think Creation has nude sprites. I enabled the everyone nude settings and everything and Creation is still clothed in the overworld. This is a porn game after all, I want that eye candy.

Difficulty
Game mode: Freeplay
Penalty: Death
MC-points: 50
Starter points: 0
Starting Money: -1000
Save Type: Town
Difficulty:121%

Traits/Profession
God (I know it's OP, once I get a good grasp of the game I'm gonna delete my save and try to unlock this legitly)

Hard Mode
Fragile
Lone Wolf
Bonus
Natural
Delayed

Potential
Evolved
Summoner

10 Magic
1 Mana

OK, so with that out of the way, I got a few more questions

1. SKILL POINTS (EVOLUTION)
Ok, so in order to get skill points, I need to do the following
a. Unlock every single species combination possible and do the ritual with them.
b. Increase genetic max level of every single species.
SO, how to do both??? How do you unlock every single species combination and how do you increase their max level???

I heard breeding and fusion? Could someone just type out a really quick step by step instruction to do the above in a brand new game?

Like I got my 2 starters and my MC. So I think I should make both starters Hybrids with 4 different species among them, and then have my MC shapeshfit into every possible combination of those 4 and breed with my starters to hatch as many different babies as possible?

If that's correct, how to I then proceed from there to unlock all the other species? And increase their genetic max level?

2. Character Capacity.
Lone wolf set me to 0 character capacity and my starters are "outside".
What does that mean? What's the penalty for 0 Character Capacity? What's the penalty for my starters being "outside"? Should I be trying to increase character capacity? I plan to play solo after all.

3. Can Druid play a summoner? From what I can see, they can only get a spirit summon that spawns at the beginning of combat so you can't spam it endlessly in combat to summon an army of them like you can of SpawnDrone and SpawnFireBug. They also only get SpawnWisp from the Summoner trait. Do they have any other summon skills? Because if it's just the summon wisp... unless that Spirit Summon is a game winning super minion I don't think a pure summoner is possible with druid.

4. How to use Tentacle Swarm? It summons tentacles from slime tiles in a cone so... how do you make a ton of slime tiles? Do you use the Overworld Spawn Tentacle skill to have a full party of tentacles in portals and then have them generate slime tiles?

5. How good/bad are SpawnParasite and SpawnSymbiote? Wiki says they're really weak but Creation has access to both and Evolution has access to just Symbiote.
1. There are a lot of different ways to gain skill points, but you don't have to unlock everything, just try to focus on parts of the skill tree that you need most.

So most effective way to gain skillpoints is breeding, but you have picked "natural" bonus (or malus, depends how to look) so you can't hatch or fuse characters.

Usually if you want to breed for skill points you need a character with high maxLvl gene and you just give him partners of different species to create new hybrids that will inherit that maxLvl gene .It will be random between gene of both parents, so if you have maxLvl20 and maxLvl13 char, their offsping will have random value between 13-20. You can use farm potions, to help with that and you can also increase genes when you start hatching an egg, at cost of speed and stability, which can be fixed with crystals and hatchery upgrades.
Also, note that you can't use rituals on fused characters.

Another way to find skillpoints is to recruit wild characters in combat, or use ritual ability on them.
Sometimes portals generate crystals, you can absorb them and gain small number of skillpoints, depending on species found it that portal.

2. People need to live somewhere, "outside" means that they don't have a room, so their stamina recovery is very low and they lose morale each day. You can build house upgrades to provide more housing, it increases their stamina recovery and prevents them from running away because of low morale (never actually seen that, tbh).

Even if you play solo, you can still use other characters in town. Use them for breeding or send to brothel to earn money or give them occupation to fish, hunt, increase relations with NPC or teach other characters.

3,4. Can't help here, never played solo.

5. Evolution can gain access to both, if you transform into brood queen - insect-plantgirl hybrid. I think both of them are decent, but they are type of summon that sacrifice themselfs to buff/debuff someone else.
 

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So helpful! I think I'm almost there, just need a little bit more help.

I downloaded the everything unlocked save just so I can see what's in the game and once I get a full grasp of this game's mechanics I will be deleting it because unlocking this is part of the fun.

I think I'm gonna play Evolution for 2 reasons.
1. I like how SpawnDrone and SpawnFireBug look way more than tentacles
2. Evo is nude in the overworld in her alternate forms. I don't think Creation has nude sprites. I enabled the everyone nude settings and everything and Creation is still clothed in the overworld. This is a porn game after all, I want that eye candy.

Difficulty
Game mode: Freeplay
Penalty: Death
MC-points: 50
Starter points: 0
Starting Money: -1000
Save Type: Town
Difficulty:121%

Traits/Profession
God (I know it's OP, once I get a good grasp of the game I'm gonna delete my save and try to unlock this legitly)

Hard Mode
Fragile
Lone Wolf
Bonus
Natural
Delayed

Potential
Evolved
Summoner

10 Magic
1 Mana

OK, so with that out of the way, I got a few more questions

1. SKILL POINTS (EVOLUTION)
Ok, so in order to get skill points, I need to do the following
a. Unlock every single species combination possible and do the ritual with them.
b. Increase genetic max level of every single species.
SO, how to do both??? How do you unlock every single species combination and how do you increase their max level???

I heard breeding and fusion? Could someone just type out a really quick step by step instruction to do the above in a brand new game?

Like I got my 2 starters and my MC. So I think I should make both starters Hybrids with 4 different species among them, and then have my MC shapeshfit into every possible combination of those 4 and breed with my starters to hatch as many different babies as possible?

If that's correct, how to I then proceed from there to unlock all the other species? And increase their genetic max level?

2. Character Capacity.
Lone wolf set me to 0 character capacity and my starters are "outside".
What does that mean? What's the penalty for 0 Character Capacity? What's the penalty for my starters being "outside"? Should I be trying to increase character capacity? I plan to play solo after all.

3. Can Druid play a summoner? From what I can see, they can only get a spirit summon that spawns at the beginning of combat so you can't spam it endlessly in combat to summon an army of them like you can of SpawnDrone and SpawnFireBug. They also only get SpawnWisp from the Summoner trait. Do they have any other summon skills? Because if it's just the summon wisp... unless that Spirit Summon is a game winning super minion I don't think a pure summoner is possible with druid.

4. How to use Tentacle Swarm? It summons tentacles from slime tiles in a cone so... how do you make a ton of slime tiles? Do you use the Overworld Spawn Tentacle skill to have a full party of tentacles in portals and then have them generate slime tiles?

5. How good/bad are SpawnParasite and SpawnSymbiote? Wiki says they're really weak but Creation has access to both and Evolution has access to just Symbiote.
I wont go too in-depth cus Mermoosh beat me to it lol.
Magician gives you more Magic scaling by 40%, mana by 50%, and +1 speed for 2 points, God Requires unlocks and gives you HP/Mana/Lust +100% which *is* busted, but you shouldn't be getting attacked in combat anyway, that's your summons job. Also Evolution is unaffected by genes, so if you're going Evo then leave all genes at 0, it's a waste of 56 starter points otherwise. Instead pick up every trait and especially genetic traits you can since Evo loses all her mutagen Traits when she shape shifts, but she keeps them if you started with them. Druid and Evo don't need genes but literally everyone else does, it says on the right hand side when you select them at the start.

Biggest downside with the build is you're gonna have really low carrying capacity since that's dependent on having other characters, you could shunt them into the follower trail though to offset that without having them join you in combat, but you'll lose the lonewolf achievement if you do that.
Also yes Natural means you cannot breed or fuse characters, so you'll need to recruit from the tavern, events or seduce and fuck enemies into submission if you want skill points, it's much less efficient but certainly doable, the new combat skill ritual could also speed things up.

3. Liferoot gives you like 7 spawn plant spells, so really anyone can do it, im not sure they'd be any good though. Also no, it's not a game winning super spirit, only Creation or questionably Oriel gets access to those.

4. You get an attack spell as Creation, if you fire it at the ground it spawns slime in like 1-3 tiles, it's even better when you shoot it at pre-slimed tiles, and then you can spawn bulbs or tentacles which spread slime by moving/abilities on bulb. When i ran solo creation which was my closest to a dedicated summoner build i started every fight by shooting the ground and spawning a tentacle to fight for me lol. You definitely could just have a ton of tentacle followers, i didn't do that, i bet it works well.

5. They're pretty meh, iirc the best thing to do with them is literally kamikaze them, it's an okay attack spell that takes longer basically.
 
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Also Evolution is unaffected by genes, so if you're going Evo then leave all genes at 0, it's a waste of 56 starter points otherwise.
I think this part is inaccurate. When i started with 0 magic gene and +2 magic from the lavagirl tree, after transforming into the LavaInsect, at level 7 I only got a level 10 summon.

When I got 10 magic gene, at level 1 after transforming into LavaInsect my summons were spawned at level 23 at level 1.

That's a huge difference!

edit: At like level 3 with 10 magic I'm getting level 28 summons with 9 strength where as the level 10s were at 3 strength. The difference in performance of summons is way too huge. I'm gonna go 10 magic.
 
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5. They're pretty meh, iirc the best thing to do with them is literally kamikaze them, it's an okay attack spell that takes longer basically.
Symbiote has the highest strength out of all the summons I've used which are FireBug, Drone, LavaDrone, Wisp, and Symbiote.

I'm not interested in suicide summons but it's bashing ability is outperforming everyone! Maybe not FireBug because it's got agile but still, it's kicking ass! Granted I'm still in the start of the game.

NEW QUESTION
How to get Divine Favor? 4 Divine Favor = All the skillpoints I need. But I can only start with 3 and Magician Profession is waaaay too good to swap it out for Ascended.
 

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At a point with certain build, the party out scale you no matter what you do so for those Ascended is much better. *

There is no way to get more Divine Favours outside of Knowing and Ascended. I suggest grabbing Intelligent and start Training early.

For example, with certain phoenix builds, I can end every battle with a button, recover all mana and health endlessly every battle in map and also summon three level 100 wisp each turn (which is pretty weak to okay despite their levels)
 
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