Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Fayn Arawn]

If something is an alternative time line then they're part of the stories official narrative because that branch is part of the official narrative. So they're alternative canon because their all valid canons. Like Spiderverse, everything that happens in the alternative universe is still canon to the main universe, it just doesn't directly effect the main universe.

The thing about "canon" in storytelling is that there is only one. Not one for every timeline or universe. If everything was canon, we wouldn't need the word "canon", because nothing would be "non-canon".

Something like Spider-Verse is a special case, because characters are able to travel between different universes and affect those universes, so we're dealing with a multiverse-level of "canon". If we want to apply a multiverse model to Power Vacuum, then first you're going to have to admit that the characters act consistently in the branching timelines.

 

[storm1051787]

The thing about "canon" in storytelling is that there is only one. Not one for every timeline or universe. If everything was canon, we wouldn't need the word "canon", because nothing would be "non-canon".

Something like Spider-Verse is a special case, because characters are able to travel between different universes and affect those universes, so we're dealing with a multiverse-level of "canon". If we want to apply a multiverse model to Power Vacuum, then first you're going to have to admit that the characters act consistently in the branching timelines.

Canon just means something is part of the official narrative. It doesn't mean there is only one canon. If something has multiple canons it because those are both official alternative versions of events within that narrative.. In the case where something branches like in a route based vn, those branching paths are part of the official narrative and they're all connected and valid unless the author says otherwise.

If those other timelines/branches are not valid alternatives than they're not canon and aren't something that officially would have happened.

And no, they don't act consistently in the bad endings and it's still a silly argument to try to argue that they do. Regardless of whatever definition of canon you go with the fact remains the original argument was that those bad endings are canon alternative universes.

 

[pinkie96]

 

[elbo911]

It's still a joke no matter how many times you try to insist it's not

Fayn, pinkie and storm walk into a bar...

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Canon just means something is part of the official narrative. It doesn't mean there is only one canon. If something has multiple canons it because those are both official alternative versions of events within that narrative.. In the case where something branches like in a route based vn, those branching paths are part of the official narrative and they're all connected and valid unless the author says otherwise.

If those other timelines/branches are not valid alternatives than they're not canon and aren't something that officially would have happened.

And no, they don't act consistently in the bad endings and it's still a silly argument to try to argue that they do. Regardless of whatever definition of canon you go with the fact remains the original argument was that those bad endings are canon alternative universes.

"The official narrative" means the unique series of connected events in the story. Any alternate events, scenes, timelines, universes, or endings, can be "official" (considering WWG created them), and they can be "narrative" (insofar as they tell "a" story), but they are not part of "the official narrative" because that phrase has more meaning than each of its words does individually. There is already a term for what you're trying to say: "non-canon".

 

[Fayn Arawn]

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[storm1051787]

"The official narrative" means the unique series of connected events in the story. Any alternate events, scenes, timelines, universes, or endings, can be "official" (considering WWG created them), and they can be "narrative" (insofar as they tell "a" story), but they are not part of "the official narrative" because that phrase has more meaning than each of its words does individually. There is already a term for what you're trying to say: "non-canon".

Official narrative means it's the story backed by the actual writer and put for as having actually happened in the story. Alternative timelines are all alterative valid canons if the author says they are. Non canon is not the same as alterntive canon. Alternative canon means different versions of a story, non canon means it didn't happen at all and isn't official even if it's made by the original author. It's basically professional fanfiction.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Official narrative means it's the story backed by the actual writer and put for as having actually happened in the story. Alternative timelines are all alterative valid canons if the author says they are. Non canon is not the same as alterntive canon. Alternative canon means different versions of a story, non canon means it didn't happen at all and isn't official even if it's made by the original author. It's basically professional fanfiction.

Let me see if I'm understanding you... if WWG makes an alternate scene that COULD happen, you'd call that "alternate" canon, but if he makes a scene that could NOT happen, you'd call that "non"-canon? But how do we know which is which unless WWG tells us? It's Schrodinger's canon!

Since we can have more than one canon, then can I have more than one best friend? And when they ask me which of them is really my best friend, can I defer them to you for an answer?

 

[elbo911]

Since we can have more than one canon, then can I have more than one best friend? And when they ask me which of them is really my best friend, can I defer them to you for an answer?

Sounds like a rather loose canon.

 

[dartred]

I'll chime in with my belief. I believe there can be more then 1 canon. Take for example my favorite japanese visual novel of all time, Clannad (not even an h game). The game has 6 endings, depending on which girl you prefer to focus. all of them are canon, but that game has 7th TRUE ending if you complete all 6 other endings first. All of the first 6 would be your life if you had focused on one girl that wasn't the true girl that the game wants you to follow.

So i think of the canon bad ends as the ending the dev would like to show us as the life of the antagonist if he had a canon ending. That's all. I don't think they should be treated as the True canon ending, since that one is reserved for Sterling.

 

[storm1051787]

Let me see if I'm understanding you... if WWG makes an alternate scene that COULD happen, you'd call that "alternate" canon, but if he makes a scene that could NOT happen, you'd call that "non"-canon? But how do we know which is which unless WWG tells us? It's Schrodinger's canon!

Since we can have more than one canon, then can I have more than one best friend? And when they ask me which of them is really my best friend, can I defer them to you for an answer?

No you don't understand. Alternative canon is not what "could happen" it's an official alternative version of the story where it did happen. It's like if you wrote two novels, both novels are canon unless you say otherwise. Video games do that all the time where there are two different versions with differences. Both versions are still canon. Non canon is when something didn't happened and couldn't happen. It's basically fanfic or a dream. And yes, you can have more than one best friend. If something officially has alternative timelines then all timelines are canon. If there is a "true canon" then only one timeline is canon and everything else is just a fantasy. Here the "true canon" is sterling and all the bad endings are just fantasies.

 

[elbo911]

And yes, you can have more than one best friend.

No, you can't (at the same time), it's a superlative.
You can have many fast friends, but in a race only one can come out the fastest.

Hm, unless it's a draw of course. Then you'd have to see who can draw fastest, but that would be final.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Then let's make this all canon?


Then it could become a civil war between PV fans

 

[storm1051787]

No, you can't (at the same time), it's a superlative.
You can have many fast friends, but in a race only one can come out the fastest.

Hm, unless it's a draw of course. Then you'd have to see who can draw fastest, but that would be final.

You can definitely have more than one best friend it just means they're equals rather than one being better than the other.

 

[Gwimmly]

The what ifs contradict each other as well. Hunter spent half the game trying to get Sterling to succeed him and even put growth hormones in his food to help him succeed. It makes no sense that he would just ignore sterling and even less sense that sterling doesn't figure out what's going on. You guys really love ntr and badly want one of the bad ending to be canon in some way.

That's the one thing i don't get. Why he pumped him full of growth hormone, but that doesn't signify contradiction because that's part of the canon as well. In canon he is still against Hunter and the other antagonists. But i do agree i'm still scratching my head at why Hunter did that although it has been speculated that Hunter maybe planned to switch to Sterling's body later on? Also maybe he thought the girls would of been turned off or something by the idea of how Sterling was growing so rapidly so they would suspect he was using steroids or something? I don't know but would be cool to find out the real reasoning behind it.

 

[elbo911]

You can definitely have more than one best friend it just means they're equals rather than one being better than the other.

Okay, let's say you really have two best friends then. Now if one of them said "NTR endings and What Ifs in PV are canon", would he be a lesser friend to you? Because if that doesn't matter in your close personal relationships, I don't get why you're so adamant about crusading against random perverts on the internet about that topic.
So, what's it gonna be, let other people have their own innocent opinions or get to have one friend (at most)?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

That's the one thing i don't get. Why he pumped him full of growth hormone, but that doesn't signify contradiction because that's part of the canon as well. In canon he is still against Hunter and the other antagonists. But i do agree i'm still scratching my head at why Hunter did that although it has been speculated that Hunter maybe planned to switch to Sterling's body later on? Also maybe he thought the girls would of been turned off or something by the idea of how Sterling was growing so rapidly so they would suspect he was using steroids or something? I don't know but would be cool to find out the real reasoning behind it.

I think Hunter had two reasons for giving Sterling HGH...

First, Hunter wanted a successor to carry on his legacy as a "dio del sesso" (sex god), but Sterling's small stature made it difficult for him to succeed in this role.

Second, if Sterling became a sexy stud that could seduce all the girls, then afterward they would be more open to having sex with Hunter as well.

 

[Gwimmly]

I think Hunter had two reasons for giving Sterling HGH...

First, Hunter wanted a successor to carry on his legacy as a "dio del sesso" (sex god), but Sterling's small stature made it difficult for him to succeed in this role.

Second, if Sterling became a sexy stud that could seduce all the girls, then afterward they would be more open to having sex with Hunter as well.

Ok that last point pretty much washes away all doubt lol thanks. Just like he used Drew. Makes sense!

Although after Sterling refused to work together with Hunter and hearing about how Hunter likes to win above all else, sharing kind of makes the NTR flat in my opinion but i get it if Hunter has to do what he has to in order to secure the throne then so be it.

Young Hunter has entered the arena

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Ok that last point pretty much washes away all doubt lol thanks. Just like he used Drew. Makes sense!

Although after Sterling refused to work together with Hunter and hearing about how Hunter likes to win above all else, sharing kind of makes the NTR flat in my opinion but i get it if Hunter has to do what he has to in order to secure the throne then so be it.

Young Hunter has entered the arena

It was a little different with Drew. Hunter taught Drew how to seduce Nora and Keira, but that was for his legacy. I suspect Hunter could've seduced them on his own if he had wanted to, but Hunter was monogamous with Annabelle at that time. Hunter and Drew shared the other ladies after Annabelle died.

Of course Sterling was never going to go along with Hunter's plans and share the girls, but for a long time Hunter still believed he would. By the time Hunter accepted that they would never be allies, Sterling was already jacked.

I'm very curious to see what happens with young Hunter. I sort of hope for an alternate ending where Sterling finally teams up with him, but to your point, that wouldn't have much NTR flavor.

 

[Gwimmly]

It was a little different with Drew. Hunter taught Drew how to seduce Nora and Keira, but that was for his legacy. I suspect Hunter could've seduced them on his own if he had wanted to, but Hunter was monogamous with Annabelle at that time. Hunter and Drew shared the other ladies after Annabelle died.

Of course Sterling was never going to go along with Hunter's plans and share the girls, but for a long time Hunter still believed he would. By the time Hunter accepted that they would never be allies, Sterling was already jacked.

I'm very curious to see what happens with young Hunter. I sort of hope for an alternate ending where Sterling finally teams up with him, but to your point, that wouldn't have much NTR flavor.

Good point. Hunter never trained Sterling imagine all of the things he could have learned. Then again maybe all the practice he has had made him catch up with Hunter's skills.

Yeah i'd like to see a sharing end too for sure. Maybe even a split bad ending inside of the sharing scenario where on one side of the coin the girls have a great time being satisfied by both Hunter and Sterling equally and on the other side of the coin where at the end of the day Hunter is just more skilled at pleasing the women than Sterling and the girls notice this.