Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[elbo911]

You might want to re-read his March 29th report, he outright says he's "been having issues". There's nothing wrong with him wanting to keep personal things to himself, but he clearly broke his word that he'd keep people apprised of the situation.

Not sure if my English grammar is good enough to understand your point. I'm German. If it's something about the used tense, it might escape me.

The way I read his post: He had issues that kept building up, but still thought he could finish in the planned time. Until he didn't. In my interpretation, that point would most likely have been March 29th or maybe a day or two earlier, depending on what happened and if he had more important stuff to do than make a post about it.

The issues of whatever nature obviously started earlier. The question is at what point we expect him to alert people of possible complications.
'I had a huge fight with my wife today, if this doesn't get better we might decide to get a divorce in two weeks and I'll have to focus on that.'
'My mom broke her ankle and got hospitalized, she might get an embolism and die in two weeks.'
...or whatever.
Those aren't great examples, I lack the energy to think of something better atm, sorry. But I hope you get what I'm trying to say.

Without knowing what these mysterious issues were/are, it's pointless to make assumptions as to when WWG should have realized a March release wouldn't be achievable.

I'm not arguing here, as pinkie96 implied, 'to prevent a shred of criticism to WWG'. I don't know him, I'm no patron of his. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S BEEN LYING OR NOT. Neither does anybody else here.
I just don't see any evidence, only assumptions and interpretations. And I'm fed up with people always assuming the worst of others. -.-

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Without knowing what these mysterious issues were/are, it's pointless to make assumptions as to when WWG should have realized a March release wouldn't be achievable.

Moreover, patrons get billed monthly, and WWG reported the delay before the end of the month (even if only by a few days), so people can opt out before they get billed again. Even if WWG realized weeks ago that the delay would happen, what practical difference would it have made to report it sooner?

 

[pinkie96]

Moreover, patrons get billed monthly, and WWG reported the delay before the end of the month (even if only by a few days), so people can opt out before they get billed again. Even if WWG realized weeks ago that the delay would happen, what practical difference would it have made to report it sooner?

Manage expectations. What's the downside to telling people earlier when you know the expected date is way off?

Also I never said he had lied nor do I think he did.

 

[elbo911]

Moreover, patrons get billed monthly, and WWG reported the delay before the end of the month (even if only by a few days), so people can opt out before they get billed again. Even if WWG realized weeks ago that the delay would happen, what practical difference would it have made to report it sooner?

There's always the chance for someone to be not around for a few days, so the sooner to get such news the better. And if WWG says 'I'll let you know if anything comes up', I'd expect him to do so as soon as that anything comes up. That's simply good manners imho.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Manage expectations. What's the downside to telling people earlier when you know the expected date is way off?

Also I never said he had lied nor do I think he did.

There's always the chance for someone to be not around for a few days, so the sooner to get such news the better. And if WWG says 'I'll let you know if anything comes up', I'd expect him to do so as soon as that anything comes up. That's simply good manners imho.

...nah, this is the real reason:

Already scheduled my semen retention and you do this to me WWG? For shame...my balls are charged...but left wanting.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Sorry to bother, but I'm still really curious about this， View attachment 4708228 anyone know anything about it?

That's been out and complete for ages.
Try typing a username from that image into the search box on the forum's front page...

 

[elbo911]

That's been out and complete for ages.
Try typing a username from that image into the search box on the forum's front page...

Falcon, this is Blue Raven. The goose has nested.

 

[Only1P]

I don’t know, I think some people here are missing the point probably unintentionally for the sake of being charitable.

The point still stands, as he specifically said the pace has slowed down because he has some unrelated issues, but the previous status updates dont demonstrate it, they show regular progress with no mention of things getting stuck, while in practice, they were, that’s all

And someone here said would you rather be right than see chapter 13, ultimately I agree but don’t you see how developers can exploit this if they are put in a situation where they have to consider it?

I really dont know, I just feel like telling your supporters “It’s been a brutal wait” almost implying that the wait is about to be over while in practice progress is slowing down dramatically is….not cool.

 

[dartred]

So I'm seeing a pattern here. The people here (mostly, if not all the ones that don't even subscribe to him) are mad that he lied and/or he missed his date. The problem all comes down to is, the date.

So you're telling me, all this uproar would have not happened if he never said an expected release date in the first place? like he could spend the exact same time developing the game, releases the game in May and got no complaints, because he didn't make an expected release date? that's wild.

Well, maybe some complaints about the long dev time, but not persecuted to the same degree because he missed his predicted release date.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

So I'm seeing a pattern here. The people here (mostly, if not all the ones that don't even subscribe to him) are mad that he lied and/or he missed his date. The problem all comes down to is, the date.

So you're telling me, all this uproar would have not happened if he never said an expected release date in the first place? like he could spend the exact same time developing the game, releases the game in May and got no complaints, because he didn't make an expected release date? that's wild.

Well, maybe some complaints about the long dev time, but not persecuted to the same degree because he missed his predicted release date.

If WWG hadn't given a projected release window, yeah there'd probably be less anger. However, after all this time, I think supporters deserve to have some idea of when he'll be done. With every month that goes by people are growing more frustrated anyway, so naturally there would still be frustration and complaints, even if to a lesser degree.

 

[dartred]

I agree, a year and a half is a long time to wait, but that's not the issue that people are bringing up, not even a little. the issue that keeps being repeated is the "lie / betrayal". which is funny, because it's something WWG doesn't have to do in the first place. He doesn't have to give a date. Not sure if he ever checks this site, but if he does. I wouldn't be surprised if for his next game he just stops giving predictions all together. it won't change his development time. People just won't know what goal he's aiming for anymore.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

It might be smart if WWG changes his approach to episodic storytelling for his next game. Maybe he can plan a more compartmentalized story, so he can put out smaller and more frequent updates? I mean, I love how a chapter in Power Vacuum gives attention to many characters, and interweaves their stories into something cohesive, but the downside is it takes a long time to create something like that.

 

[dartred]

Like you said, i love the interweaving stores, where you have to see enough of a characters story to do another persons. I'm sure it can be done, but it's not the same when a dev jumps you around in the story compared to having some control yourself.

regardless. His name game will probably hit the reset button. With new story means the characters have their inhibitions about incest. So i wouldn't expect much, if any, sex scenes. so earlier chapters will probably be coming out faster since it'll be less animating and more story building.

 

[Bear2093]

I support whatever time WWG needs to take. That being said, I believe most peoples frustrations isn't about the missed date but more about the lack of transparency. If they would have said they were dealing with some irl issues from the jump, I don't believe they would be getting as much heat as they are now. WWG post the march 1st status update saying planning release end of month and let us say irl issue happens on the 2nd, which requires most if not all of their attention the next couple weeks. When they posted the teaser salad on the 15th, they should have let us know there. Days before planned release is not ideal.

 

[pinkie96]

I support whatever time WWG needs to take. That being said, I believe most peoples frustrations isn't about the missed date but more about the lack of transparency. If they would have said they were dealing with some irl issues from the jump, I don't believe they would be getting as much heat as they are now. WWG post the march 1st status update saying planning release end of month and let us say irl issue happens on the 2nd, which requires most if not all of their attention the next couple weeks. When they posted the teaser salad on the 15th, they should have let us know there. Days before planned release is not ideal.

It's not just that. it's the amount of time too. If it was 1 or 2 week delay like last update then the last minute status update would be easy to swallow. "At least 2 months" is so crazy that I still think he might have meant to say "at most 2 months"

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[Bear2093]

It's not just that. it's the amount of time too. If it was 1 or 2 week delay like last update then the last minute status update would be easy to swallow. "At least 2 months" is so crazy that I still think he might have meant to say "at most 2 months"

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Yeah it is hard to swallow "at least two months". Cause if we were to go off the march 1st post, they should only have had about 4 weeks of work left. I have to imagine its a combination of them miscalculating the work they had left and personal issues. Hopefully you are right and WWG meant to say "at most 2 months".

 

[SuddenReal]

The fundamental problem is that he shouldn't have made this promise that he couldn't keep.

I'm sorry, I don't know why you quoted me in this post. It has nothing to do with my (genuine) question, which wasn't even addressed to you.

Speaking of which...

I assume you mean he wouldn't delay the game again? I dont think he ever said that.

He did say that, directly.

I'm sorry, the man who made it clear he will never give a hard deadline, so that he would never have to go over it, said he wouldn't delay the game again? When did he do that? Because I'm looking at the updates of the last year and a half, and I can't find anywhere where he said that.

 

[JohnSeeReally]

So I'm seeing a pattern here. The people here (mostly, if not all the ones that don't even subscribe to him) are mad that he lied and/or he missed his date. The problem all comes down to is, the date.

So you're telling me, all this uproar would have not happened if he never said an expected release date in the first place? like he could spend the exact same time developing the game, releases the game in May and got no complaints, because he didn't make an expected release date? that's wild.

Well, maybe some complaints about the long dev time, but not persecuted to the same degree because he missed his predicted release date.

You mean to tell me that people don’t like being misled and lied to??? What a shocking concept. “So you’re telling me if he didn’t lie and mislead his fans, they wouldn’t be as angry?” How is this even an actual question you need to pose.

Of course you just excuse it and act like that’s not shady, we all know you’ll never say anything even remotely resembling criticism about your lord and savior.

 

[dartred]

You mean to tell me that people don’t like being misled and lied to??? What a shocking concept. “So you’re telling me if he didn’t lie and mislead his fans, they wouldn’t be as angry?” How is this even an actual question you need to pose.

Of course you just excuse it and act like that’s not shady, we all know you’ll never say anything even remotely resembling criticism about your lord and savior.

uh... what? the problem is he missed his prediction. missing his prediction made the "lie". if he just worked on the game without giving a prediction, there's nothing that he could have lied about. how is that so hard to understand?

you guys are mad at what he said. if he said nothing, there'd be nothing for you guys to be angry at. he could have just continued releasing his teasers every 2 weeks until the game eventually dropped.

again, like i said in my last post and you're proving it here. You guys are mad that he missed his prediction.

edit: forgot to address the first part. i never said that. i never said people don't like that. when did i even talk about that? weird thing to put into my mouth. as a matter of fact, i said i disliked the delay several times in this thread and even on the previous page.

 

[preglovr12]

if he said nothing, there'd be nothing for you guys to be angry at.

Huh? If he said nothing people would still be wondering where the hell the update is that he said was 93% completed at the beginning of January, likely claiming that to be a lie.