JohnSeeReally

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I counted four times in total (including now). One of which was the Patreon purge (Chapter Ten) and one was a few months before the release date (Chapter Seven). So, when it comes to the same circumstances as this one, where he said he needed an extra month just before he was supposed to release, it's once (Chapter Twelve). One time he has done this. On one time you're judging this.

If I'm wrong and you can show me the many times he's done this, feel free to let me know.
“If we ignore the fact he misled/lied to everyone, and only look at delays for over a month; it’s only been once”

Not exactly the “gotcha” moment you think it is. He’s delayed over a quarter of his updates over 5 years, would likely be more if he didn’t stop giving timelines for a period. Out of the updates he’s actually given a timeframe for he’s missed just under 50% of those. It’s also the second time he’s announced right before release it is now delayed, at best that’s purposefully misleading at worst it’s blatant lying.

Again you can think whatever you want about him personally, my opinion doesn’t need to match yours. However absolving him of any and all criticism is being blindly delusional. Telling others their not allowed to be upset and trying to get the moderator to remove people or stop the conversation is soft period.
 

dartred

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“If we ignore the fact he misled/lied to everyone, and only look at delays for over a month; it’s only been once”

Not exactly the “gotcha” moment you think it is. He’s delayed over a quarter of his updates over 5 years, would likely be more if he didn’t stop giving timelines for a period.
Of those, the delays have all been under 1 week except for 1. It's not the bad developer YOU are making him out to be either. You also need to stop putting words in other peoples mouths. He said there's only been 1 case like this one and that's true. you're treating his delays like they were all like this latest one, over a month delay.
 

Snugglepuff

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“If we ignore the fact he misled/lied to everyone, and only look at delays for over a month; it’s only been once”
You love twisting people's words to suit your own arguments... Really dishonest thing to do.

Not exactly the “gotcha” moment you think it is. He’s delayed over a quarter of his updates over 5 years
It's more of a "gotcha" than your unsupported statements. At least he's gone to the effort of exploring each previous delay whilst you haven't done anything more than bitch and whine.

would likely be more if he didn’t stop giving timelines for a period.
Heavily biased and unsubstantiated speculation.

It’s also the second time he’s announced right before release it is now delayed, at best that’s purposefully misleading at worst it’s blatant lying.
No, at best it's unforseen circumstances.
You automatically assume the worst because you love to hate him.

Again you can think whatever you want about him personally, my opinion doesn’t need to match yours. However absolving him of any and all criticism is being blindly delusional.
Of valid criticism, sure.
There's plenty of that already on various aspects of the game, even down to subjective things like the game's humour.

Nobody is absolving WWG of criticism for anything. Believing that anyone is doing that, is actual delusion.

Telling others their not allowed to be upset and trying to get the moderator to remove people or stop the conversation is soft period.
Who has told anyone that they're not allowed to be upset?
Go and find every instance of the past week of anyone who has told other people in this thread that they're not allowed to be upset and show them to us all...

Not a single person in this thread is not upset or disappointed at the very least by the delay.
The difference is that not everyone is behaving like a tantrum-throwing child about it.
 

SuddenReal

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Not exactly the “gotcha” moment you think it is.
It is, actually.
the many times he’s done this in the past
See? Not "the many times" you said. Gotcha.
Out of the updates he’s actually given a timeframe for he’s missed just under 50% of those.
Yeah, and he said he doesn't want to give a hard date, because he'd give his pinky finger for an extra date. So, all timeframes are an estimate. That means the updates are released around that period, not exactly that period (which is given long in advance). This isn't his nine-to-five. This isn't his only job, not his sole focus. This is done in his spare time and guess what, shit happens. Sometimes stuff happens that means you have less spare time.
It’s also the second time he’s announced right before release it is now delayed, at best that’s purposefully misleading at worst it’s blatant lying.
It's not purposefully misleading. Like I said, shit happens. If I'm supposed to be at work at nine, but I get into an accident on the way, did I mislead my boss by saying I'd be on time before I left? At best, it's bad luck he had to announce this, because it was never his intention.
However absolving him of any and all criticism is being blindly delusional.
True. But there's a difference between valid criticism and outright lies to fit your narrative. If I want to win an argument, I make sure my points are valid and proven, not vague and subjected to (wrong) interpretation.

Does it suck? Yes, it does. Should he have made it clearer that there were outside factors influencing his time to work on the game? Yes. Did he fuck up by not disclosing this? Yes. Did he lie? Oh, that's just delusional.
 
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