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[Denji_DOG]

It is quite wlll known in certain circles. There is an urban legend coursing through the karate dojo's for a decades about how one of senseis was able to one-hit the bull. Not neseccary in the head though. It originates from the principle that a true karate master should strive for this level of mastery - to knock down a bull with one blow.

Thw thing is Elden is not a game which is supposes to "play with one hand". People searching for soulslike expect soulslike experiance. People searching for decent porn games expexting decent porn games.

What is obvious to you, not obvious to everyone else, thats why we have languages - to share thoughts. I've read all the dialogs and run a few circles around that room with dozens of loading(which is broken btw, coz there is no indication - are saving or are you loading.) An I DID NOT SEE THE FUCKING DOORWAY. So - no, I do not agree to see this the right way. Not after I saw hundreds of examples - good and bad, comlex and simple.


I think you are miskateken here. In politics there is rule - you should focus on those who is neither your supporter nor opponent to sway them your way. Coz your supporters alredy yours and swaying your opponents will take too much of your resources. In games in particular rules slighty are different.
Gaming is about fun and emotions. And the opposite side of emotions is indifference. If people dont give a fuck - they ignore.
Those who runting here is (en masse) interested in the project(,aybe art, or kins in tags) and tried to play, but dissapointed for some reasons. They are potential audience. Those who dont give a fuck usually don't bother themselves to explain their indifference. Main question - is how devs going to work with that. What will they do? Will they choose to ignore? Or to convince? Or to make some changes? Either way it will be their responsibility whether they fail or win.
"...Win the crowd and you will win your freedom" or something like that.

Masutatsu Oyama did this, it's not an urban legend lol. There are official photos that prove his actions.

 

[Denji_DOG]

Swaing people on the fence and such, yeah. There's validity in that, but the responses to Denji is just masturbating for me, basically. There's no swaying anything there haha. Someone like you? Maaaaaaaaaaybe but we have to know our own audience too, and if we go to a rock paper scissors thing we might actually drive our fans and community.

We need to figure a way to have a living breathing believable world and not over-sell details or quests to people because, Orlox is right, if we start putting markers and arrows and yellow paint, people will stop engaging with and paying attention to the lore and the world and just looking at markers and paint.

There's a medium between accessibility and immersion/engagement. The... sword had a clear objective for instance haha. And ALT can highlight it.

The hiding area, I think its fine. It'd be better if we had an animated turning to slow the turning and looking down and more pacing and such, and we need to populate that room with 10+ bandits with their backs turned in the living area. That way people understand WHY you can't be caught.

Which actually demonstrates how this idiot treats the community of his game. Loser tries to convince everyone around him of his superiority, are you by any chance Ayanokouji's brother?

 

[Vakul]

Masutatsu Oyama did this, it's not an urban legend lol. There are official photos that prove his actions.

Yup, thats why I said "well known in CERTAIN CIRCLES". Not everyone knows who exactly Masutatsu Oyama was. For the rest - it is an urban legend.

Which actually demonstrates how this idiot treats the community of his game. Loser tries to convince everyone around him of his superiority, are you by any chance Ayanokouji's brother?

Well, are you aware we are discussing a game on a shady third patry site with NO actual way of knowing if we are his patrons. To have the willpower to discuss his project here - you have to give him the credit if only for that)
And - no, don't know anyone named Ayanokouji.

 

[Denji_DOG]

Yup, thats why I said "well known in CERTAIN CIRCLES". Not everyone knows who exactly Masutatsu Oyama was. For the rest - it is an urban legend.


Well, are you aware we are discussing a game on a shady third patry site with NO actual way of knowing if we are his patrons. To have the willpower to discuss his project here - you have to give him the credit if only for that)
And - no, don't know anyone named Ayanokouji.

This post wasn't for you, but for the developer who wrote that he masturbates to how he "asserts himself" in a dialogue with me. And it doesn't matter whether someone here is a patron of his shitty game. Doesn't it bother you that he even manages to "masturbate" to someone else's dialogue?

 

[Forgerte]

That comment was about people runting not about any instructions. RGB battle system was just one particular example of what I meant about simplyfying - and only coz you asked about details, not because I want it to be exactly like that. All my examples and ideas have only one purpose - example of "how it can be". Markers was just an example as well as highlighting the doors.
Any creator build his project from some ideas and examples they saw here and there. These are the bricks from which he builds the palace of his game.
But all I can do is to write my opinion and present some decent arguments. To use them, to ignore them, to discard them - your personal decision, as creator. There is dozens of gamedesign books with thousands of examples for every game aspect. And few dozens of rules - what to do and why exactly.
Only you choose - ignore them or use them, it is your decision, as it is gamedesigner responsibility to have complete exhaustive vision of the project inside his head. Should he fail to do so, or should he succceed, should he listen or should he not - his personal responsibility. All the rules and "how to"s will not change - regardless of using or discarding.

As for "a living breathing believable world and not over-sell details" - details is huge part of what makes the world alive. Imagine the room with one armchair and a window. Is it alive enough? What if you turn the chair a little - so that the rays of light from the window illuminate it a little from the side ? What if you add an open book lying on it and a cup of steaming tea on the floor nearby? Will it make the room more alive or less?


Try to actually read my messages before replying next time. Maybe you'll see what I tried to say.

All i am seeing is you getting mad over the devs not putting crayons on the door. I fear you will combust the moment you touch any strategy games with that kind of mentality

And honestly rereading it, its seem like you only engage with this game for the porn. Which....is eh, i think its just not the styles the devs are aiming for so i think keep arguing about this issue is just a lost cause

 

[ArbuzBudesh]

Masutatsu Oyama did this, it's not an urban legend lol. There are official photos that prove his actions.

did check up out of curiosity and lmao
i dunno how im supposed to believe a man messing around with sleepy bull standing around. An animal which capable of this effortlessly you just MECHANICALLY unable to exert enough force to twist bulls head if he resists as a human. You literally dont have enough weight to do that even if i ignore the muscle strength needed. Oyama might've being a strong fighter, but i somehow doubt he could break laws of physics.

 

[Deleted member 2656694]

Going into this thread and seeing people making literal Everests out ant hills like most of these complains are just upset that the game doesn't cater to their specific interest like there are possibly hundred of games are there that can satisfy you guys, right? No way this porn shit is that serious, right? Like why do we even mention politics again instead of, idk, fapping to baddies or some shit?

I just arrived and read the last page here. WTF is going on here hahaha

 

[doibel]

These two are just begging to get banned, lmao.

 

[Vakul]

All i am seeing is you getting mad over the devs not putting crayons on the door. I fear you will combust the moment you touch any strategy games with that kind of mentality

And honestly rereading it, its seem like you only engage with this game for the porn. Which....is eh, i think its just not the styles the devs are aiming for so i think keep arguing about this issue is just a lost cause

Good thing you did not read the post about battle system. I can only imagine what would you said about my commitment to the rock-paper-scissors game.

So...erocomix authors started developing an erogame with sex scenes. Which is "its just not the styles the devs are aiming for". And discussing it on the porngames forum. Sounds legit.

 

[Forgerte]

Good thing you did not read the post about battle system. I can only imagine what would you said about my commitment to the rock-paper-scissors game.

So...erocomix authors started developing an erogame with sex scenes. Which is "its just not the styles the devs are aiming for". And discussing it on the porngames forum. Sounds legit.

Half of the post was about the damn fucking door. And yall keep going on and on about it so i dont care much about what you think of the battle mechanic

And second, who said porn games can only be about porn? Have you actually touch any Eroge with a worthwhile story?

 

[Kane_Freeman]

Any netori content?

 

[Ikomomo]

Half of the post was about the damn fucking door. And yall keep going on and on about it so i dont care much about what you think of the battle mechanic

And second, who said porn games can only be about porn? Have you actually touch any Eroge with a worthwhile story?

These people were not around during the golden age of good VNs and it shows. Hell they weren't even around for the MGQ trilogy. Porn is better when it has context.

 

[Ikomomo]

did check up out of curiosity and lmao
i dunno how im supposed to believe a man messing around with sleepy bull standing around. An animal which capable of this effortlessly you just MECHANICALLY unable to exert enough force to twist bulls head if he resists as a human. You literally dont have enough weight to do that even if i ignore the muscle strength needed. Oyama might've being a strong fighter, but i somehow doubt he could break laws of physics.

These are the kind of people who unironically think you can just fight a bear. They aren't worth you're life force.

 

[Forgerte]

These people were not around during the golden age of good VNs and it shows. Hell they weren't even around for the MGQ trilogy. Porn is better when it has context.

MGQ is peak worldbuilding, thats all

 

[Ikomomo]

MGQ is peak worldbuilding, thats all

You could strip out 90% of that games porn and just keep the Alice scenes and it would still be an awesome game. You could fade to black during the Alice scenes and it would still be a great story.

 

[Forgerte]

You could strip out 90% of that games porn and just keep the Alice scenes and it would still be an awesome game. You could fade to black during the Alice scenes and it would still be a great story.

Any half decent porn game should still be a half decent game without the porn. If not then it was never half decent to begin with

 

[Valaska]

Well, if you haven't seen it, then that doesn't happen. People who are categorical are almost always idiots, guess why? Masutatsu Oyama, google that name, you moron and never try to be categorical again, especially if it exceeds your meager imagination.

Pffft let me guess, you believe Steven Seagal is an "aikido master" too? You'er the kinda guy that'd sign up for Dillman's courses and buy into the bullshit haha. This dude was a fraud and if you can't see how silly a cutaway to a broken horn after him playing with a docile bull... there isn't even a shot of the punch haha.

Man was pissing his pants about accidentally setting the bull off with a punch so he had to cut away ASAP, couldn't even risk faking it. Sheeeeeesh.

Good thing you did not read the post about battle system. I can only imagine what would you said about my commitment to the rock-paper-scissors game.

So...erocomix authors started developing an erogame with sex scenes. Which is "its just not the styles the devs are aiming for". And discussing it on the porngames forum. Sounds legit.

Well a few of us have dev experience across the industry too. I've done writing in some surprising projects, we have people who worked at Spiders, and a ton of adventure games lol. Arbuz was working on the comic alone, we all came on to develop an actual game, with the intention of making it an ACTUAL game as well as an erotic game.

Any netori content?

Maaaaaan... if I have my way trust me, there will be. None YET but I'll make it happen. Funny, I always thought it was all just "NTR" but now I know the tag for Netori my search engine prowess has increased.

You could strip out 90% of that games porn and just keep the Alice scenes and it would still be an awesome game. You could fade to black during the Alice scenes and it would still be a great story.

MGQ is peak worldbuilding, thats all

Any half decent porn game should still be a half decent game without the porn. If not then it was never half decent to begin with

Yeah the bar for hentai games has been rising a lot, too. Super simple old stuff like VNs or those low-effort breeding games just aren't cutting it in the broader market and expectations have risen, a lot. The old gems are basically becoming the standard now, and even then they aren't always cutting it. Insane art production can still carry the day of course but people are expecting a game with that art now, and we can see it in the buying trends etc on steam.

Games like Aurelia have set a new standard that most the world/industry is lagging behind for VNs for instance. And we are seeing some teams reallys tepping up, Knightly Passions for instance really swings for story and art with content as a game etc. Honestly I don't think we'll see many VNs outside of something like DLsite especially since a lot of real AAA game devs are entering the erotic game space now... we're going to see a massive fucking paradigm shift led by these western bigtime devs entering the industry.

 

[xorxorrax]

These people were not around during the golden age of good VNs and it shows. Hell they weren't even around for the MGQ trilogy. Porn is better when it has context.

I disagree with the notion that there was a golden age for VNs. There's always a sea of crappy Nukige. The good games always stand out because they excel in some area, be it worldbuilding for RPGs, story for VNs or hell they are just fun gameplay wise. I also think you can have good game with crappy porn. For me that is Sengoku Rance, hell I skipped most of the CGs to get back to the strategy game lol.

In the end it is all about managing expectations. I usually try and find something else if I'm not enjoying something, others don't.

 

[xorxorrax]

a lot of real AAA game devs are entering the erotic game space now... we're going to see a massive fucking paradigm shift led by these western bigtime devs entering the industry.

Can you give some examples? Curious to see what projects you see as AAA were announced. Or is it just your view of the future?

 

[Valaska]

I disagree with the notion that there was a golden age for VNs. There's always a sea of crappy Nukige. The good games always stand out because they excel in some area, be it worldbuilding for RPGs, story for VNs or hell they are just fun gameplay wise. I also think you can have good game with crappy porn. For me that is Sengoku Rance, hell I skipped most of the CGs to get back to the strategy game lol.

In the end it is all about managing expectations. I usually try and find something else if I'm not enjoying something, others don't.

Can you give some examples? Curious to see what projects you see as AAA were announced. Or is it just your view of the future?

Yeah, there's a lot of nostalgia around hte older games, though they were gems at the time. The bar has been rising... a lot... and no offence meant but Japan has not been keeping up/started to stagnate in the kind of content it produces.

Critical Bliss has actually nabbed a few of them, while I can't say WHO exactly, but you can poke and check out some of their library to see the newer/newest releases have a shocking amount of polish and design. Flipwitch has baller fucking art and music,
a blizzard dev is confirmed to be working on Bad Night and did an interview with Pippa Pipkin about it. Devs from Wildlife and Carnal Instinct worked in AAA, a bunch of laid-off Riot employees are entering this sphere (can't say WHICH game but its coming).

There are some very big things in the works coming up.