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I was being facetious, when I made that particular comment. I'm fairly certain Myriam would be aware that different states have different rules, and wouldn't assume California would be the same as Texas.
That's not correct. To become a legal guardian, it's not necessary to have been married to one of the child's parents, or to have been in any kind of relationship for that matter. Any adult can become a legal guardian. And having been in a relationship with Anthony, and effectively acting as Marc's mother, Myriam has a pretty solid case for becoming his legal guardian.
If this was the case, Myriam wouldn't need to apply for custody at all. Because Marc would be old enough to make his own decision, about where he wanted to live. If you get legal guardianship of somebody, it expires on their 18th birthday. At that point Anthony would not be able to stop Marc living with Myriam. So why would she have to go to court at all? But we know she did go to court for custody, therefore Marc has to be under 18.
If it was just a matter of getting rid of Anthony. All he needed to do, was have Marc turn 18. Because then he'd legally be an adult, and could live wherever he wanted to. Instead of a long winded scene, it could have been achieved with one render and a few sentences of dialogue. But if you want to have a dramatic custody battle, followed by Anthony trying to kill Myriam, then I'm afraid you can't get around Marc being under 18
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Hmm, maybe I did not express myself clearly enough, because I did not say, or did not intend to say, that to become legal guardian you must have been married.
Parental rights and legal guardian are different concepts (though by defaul, parental rights include being legal guardian) in any jurisdiction I know enough, and courts declare someone legal guardian of someone else all the time, even if only on temporary base.
Even temporary foster parents also are legal guardians, but are not relatives of the person (though that can also happen).
I don't know about you, but I have good reason to know about that stuff
, even if I do not cover in details all the jurisdictions in the World, or even just in the "Western World".I was referring to something else.
Again, it depends on the jurisdiction, and in USA, you even have counties, with judges that in some case make basically their law
:-D.But I was talking about an hypothetical situation in which there is a any kind of social services involved in the decision of the judge, to assess the family (or can be said, ex-family) situation, as ethically (but that does not mean legally), should be, unless the judge has the necessary information, knowledge and experience (and in general, they don't, social services should spend the time and energy needed and have it, judges are not required to).
I can tell you, that exactly due to scenes like the one between Anthony and Myriam in court, even if I agree that Anthony is the first that goes aggressive and physical in that situation and is an abusive husband, social service should suggest that Marc should be place temporarily on a third party, to avoid him feeling in the middle of the fight every day and torn apart etc.
But we are again talking about complex realities, which of course in real life have to, and should be, analysed on a case by case basis, while debating about a game.
"Case by case", because is typical of psychology students or fresh graduates to use a checklist approach (in reality, the DSM was itself born as a checklist approach, specifically for the military), but a serious and experienced professional should be more careful and open.
I always say Zorlun had made a good work on the psychological side of some characters, but it is a game, he never pretended to represent 100% reality and go in all the details of the psyche of the characters, the whole situation with Anthony was a device for the story progression.
About your reference to turning 18, the problem is that at the start, there was some ambiguity on age, that Zorlun decided in the end to sort out by explicitly saying both Katherine and him are already 18 at the start of the game.
A number of incongruences in the game are in reality born by the compromises and decisions Zorlun had to make to keep the show going, and show must go on
Though I can see I let again myself being pulled in on this discussion
, my mistake, I did say one of my defects has become that it is too easy to do it,, didn't I ? :-D :-D
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Well I’m sure Mark wouldn’t mind staying with Aunt Eve then, might be awkward when she’s bringing some stud home and mark has to hear her screams and moans or maybe she lets him go for a ride too,Hmm, maybe I did not express myself clearly enough, because I did not say, or did not intend to say, that to become legal guardian you must have been married.
Parental rights and legal guardian are different concepts (though by defaul, parental rights include being legal guardian) in any jurisdiction I know enough, and courts declare someone legal guardian of someone else all the time, even if only on temporary base.
Even temporary foster parents also are legal guardians, but are not relatives of the person (though that can also happen).
I don't know about you, but I have good reason to know about that stuff
I was referring to something else.
Again, it depends on the jurisdiction, and in USA, you even have counties, with judges that in some case make basically their law
But I was talking about an hypothetical situation in which there is a any kind of social services involved in the decision of the judge, to assess the family (or can be said, ex-family) situation, as ethically (but that does not mean legally), should be, unless the judge has the necessary information, knowledge and experience (and in general, they don't, social services should spend the time and energy needed and have it, judges are not required to).
I can tell you, that exactly due to scenes like the one between Anthony and Myriam in court, even if I agree that Anthony is the first that goes aggressive and physical in that situation and is an abusive husband, social service should suggest that Marc should be place temporarily on a third party, to avoid him feeling in the middle of the fight every day and torn apart etc.
But we are again talking about complex realities, which of course in real life have to, and should be, analysed on a case by case basis, while debating about a game.
"Case by case", because is typical of psychology students or fresh graduates to use a checklist approach (in reality, the DSM was itself born as a checklist approach, specifically for the military), but a serious and experienced professional should be more careful and open.
I always say Zorlun had made a good work on the psychological side of some characters, but it is a game, he never pretended to represent 100% reality and go in all the details of the psyche of the characters, the whole situation with Anthony was a device for the story progression.
About your reference to turning 18, the problem is that at the start, there was some ambiguity on age, that Zorlun decided in the end to sort out by explicitly saying both Katherine and him are already 18 at the start of the game.
A number of incongruences in the game are in reality born by the compromises and decisions Zorlun had to make to keep the show going, and show must go on
Though I can see I let again myself being pulled in on this discussion
what would Myriam say if she found out Eve and Mark were screwing?
The problem I have with this, is that the storyline as it stands, just doesn't support this. If Marc is 18, then there is no need for a custody battle between Myriam and Anthony, because in California Marc is judged to be an adult already, and able to make his own decisions. Simply put, there wouldn't be a court case to determine something, that was already decided by Marc being 18. There are only 3 states in the USA where the age of majority is over 18 ( Alabama, Mississippi and Nebraska), none of which could be where the game is set. So unless you're prepared to totally ignore this part of US law, and set the game in some fantasy dimension, saying that Marc is over 17 doesn't make any sense, unless you remove the custody battle from the game.
Zorlun can say that Marc is over 17, and I fully understand why he wants to do that ( because so many US states set the age of consent at 18, and he's trying not run foul of Patreon rules). But unfortunately, the game as it stands, suggests that Marc is definitely under 18.
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Of course, I'm still trying to put my mind around what is so important with Marc's age, I personally don't like him, he is just an Abusive ASS like his father, and the whole Custody Battle story is over right now,
If Mark is 18, then none of these things apply ( unless he lives in Alabama, Mississippi or Nebraska, where the age of majority is higher). Anywhere else in the US, and it would never go to court at all, because Marc would be considered an adult, and therefore he wouldn't need a guardian or a foster parent, because he'd be old enough to make all his own decisions.Again, it depends on the jurisdiction, and in USA, you even have counties, with judges that in some case make basically their law
But I was talking about an hypothetical situation in which there is a any kind of social services involved in the decision of the judge, to assess the family (or can be said, ex-family) situation, as ethically (but that does not mean legally), should be, unless the judge has the necessary information, knowledge and experience (and in general, they don't, social services should spend the time and energy needed and have it, judges are not required to).
I can tell you, that exactly due to scenes like the one between Anthony and Myriam in court, even if I agree that Anthony is the first that goes aggressive and physical in that situation and is an abusive husband, social service should suggest that Marc should be place temporarily on a third party, to avoid him feeling in the middle of the fight every day and torn apart etc.
That's why making him 18 doesn't make any sense at all, unless you alter large parts of the game.
Good question the second one
, unfortunately, I don't know if Zorlun had ever considered that hypothesis, but I am not sure Patreon would not consider that also as incest - I remember clearly they had told Zorlun no "step-something" was allowed, but I don't remember what else was forbidden by them.For the first one, well, honestly, IMO, it would not be too strange that a relative tries to get in, if for whatever reason the parents were considered not fit, or anyway there is a temporary decision, but I will leave it at that.
I have not even looked at the last reply from Zara Scarlett, and I have no intention of doing so, because I realised that I started to get too easily sucked up in discussions where there is the risk I make one too many references to reality, the last one being the one with her.
More than once I had to delete parts from some messages, because I caught myself making refence to real situations, to make people understand why I said some things.
They were not situation I knew for professional reasons (but they also were not cases read about on Internet or news, I had more direct knowledge), there is "anonymity" on F95, there was nothing illegal on them, I was not making names, etc. (imagine all the disclaimers you can invent), but still, I would feel I violated my ethics if I used that type of information to try proving a point in an Internet forum.
In a way, the relative anonymity would make it worst for me (it's a matter of personal ethics), one thing is if and when I talk about some things with a person who knows who I am and I know who he/she is, another, something like this.
So what are you saying? Because you don't like him, it should be of no importance to anyone else?
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I don't know what you understood,
I meant "why is it important ? now that the whole story line is gone ? yes it is hinted that he is a minor, and that's it !
and THEN I DARED TO express my opinion regarding the character,
NEVER SAID THAT HE SHOULD BE NOT IMPORTANT TO ANYONE ELSE !
or should I just shut up because for you it is important ?
Do I don't have the right to express myself ?
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It's got nothing to do with reality. It's whether the storyline makes any sense. And if you make Marc 18, then it doesn't. If you say Marc is 17, then the custody battle makes perfect sense. But if you change his age to 18, it makes zero sense. I assumed he was 17, because that's what the storyline was telling me. But you claim, that in fact he's always been 18, despite the fact that the custody battle suggests otherwise.
This is something totally different to what we discussing before, based on your bombshell that Zorlun has actually decided that Marc is 18 ( and not 17 as the game suggests). There is nothing in this game which says he is 18.
It doesn't bother me personally, whether he's 17 or 18, since I live in a country where the age of consent is lower. It's simply a matter of the game telling me that he's 17 and not 18.
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Well it's obvious. If Marc is already an adult, there's no need for a custody battle at all. Either Marc is 17, and Myriam and Anthony have to go to court, to determine who gets custody, or he's 18 and an adult, and can make that decision himself, and that whole custody battle scene could have been omitted from the game.
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Yes, exactly but you are about 4 or 5 Updates late to sugest, I mean your knowlege would have been good when Zorlun was planning on the " custody Battle for Dramatic purposes"
I don't know if you read It ( understandable by more of 600+pages) But the whole "Original Concept got crippled bad by P.
And that is what Ouch2000 was pointing out, plus Zorlun isnt from US he is French so he don't knows the details of the USA
Nobody is saying that you are wrong, It is just that for the Public it has to be like he is 18 etc no their not Bloodrelated, etc etc.
Ouch is the guy which makes the I patch and he is from the beginning around.
so no bad blood, and have a nice Weekend
abrazo
Can we all agree that nothing will come from the debate but bruised egos and drop it here (or pursue it on a private level via pm).
It's been pages of this now and it will not change anything about the game... I thank you all for the enthusiasm and appreciation for the game, as I don't think there would be any debate if any of you didn't care about it, but can we let this go? Please.
It's been pages of this now and it will not change anything about the game... I thank you all for the enthusiasm and appreciation for the game, as I don't think there would be any debate if any of you didn't care about it, but can we let this go? Please.