VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.08a+p] [Zorlun]

[krys69]

I know I did ask some time ago, about getting Myriam and Katherine relationship to the next stage (M&D I-love).
And I know its the patreonazi that's at fault for this not being a thing long time ago.
But, what if there was a way to include the mother doughtier or even Myriam and her female Cousin content in to the game without Zorlun getting involved or blamed that he was in any way.
My idea is simple and it comes in two options, option 1, make a second patch or mod (lets call it Oedipus patch/mod) that wont mess with the Prometheus patch, and will simply add extra scenes or fantasies that will involve the female family members.
The second option would be simply either to upgrade the Prometheus patch to where it includes this things already, or just make an add-on for the patch as an option for anyone interested in that content.
I will agree that dumping the M&D content right away will be rushed, so I propose to include it in stages per each chapter. For example, Chapter 1 & 2 make it where both Myriam and Katherine have innocent to mild fantasies about each other depending on the interactions.
In chapter 3 make it where the fantasies get more intense towards each other, and they start to get somewhat intimate to each other by simple touches either when they change their kisses from cheeks to lips kissing, or when they give each other massages that get more intimate (massages involving their booty or tatas).
In chapter 4, I think the bond between both can truly awaken where after the incident at the end of CH3, leads to Katherine realizing that she almost lost her loving mother to whom she started grooving even more stronger bond (a love interest bond).
Even Miriam realizes that as well.
So both begin to get even more involved in each other, and when we get to the part where Miriam gets the part of watching, Katherine's first time, we get an option where we can decide if Miriam is interested more in her doughtier alone or also is interested getting in to sexual acts with her Katherine and other people.
Also in chapter 4 or 5 Katherine might finaly discover Miriam's dirty interactions with other people or even Cassius and Hammer which she will want to do together with Miriam as long their bond is strong.
Sorry if its lots to read, but let me know what you all think about all of this.

 

[TomUK]

I know I did ask some time ago, about getting Myriam and Katherine relationship to the next stage (M&D I-love).
And I know its the patreonazi that's at fault for this not being a thing long time ago.
But, what if there was a way to include the mother doughtier or even Myriam and her female Cousin content in to the game without Zorlun getting involved or blamed that he was in any way.
My idea is simple and it comes in two options, option 1, make a second patch or mod (lets call it Oedipus patch/mod) that wont mess with the Prometheus patch, and will simply add extra scenes or fantasies that will involve the female family members.
The second option would be simply either to upgrade the Prometheus patch to where it includes this things already, or just make an add-on for the patch as an option for anyone interested in that content.
I will agree that dumping the M&D content right away will be rushed, so I propose to include it in stages per each chapter. For example, Chapter 1 & 2 make it where both Myriam and Katherine have innocent to mild fantasies about each other depending on the interactions.
In chapter 3 make it where the fantasies get more intense towards each other, and they start to get somewhat intimate to each other by simple touches either when they change their kisses from cheeks to lips kissing, or when they give each other massages that get more intimate (massages involving their booty or tatas).
In chapter 4, I think the bond between both can truly awaken where after the incident at the end of CH3, leads to Katherine realizing that she almost lost her loving mother to whom she started grooving even more stronger bond (a love interest bond).
Even Miriam realizes that as well.
So both begin to get even more involved in each other, and when we get to the part where Miriam gets the part of watching, Katherine's first time, we get an option where we can decide if Miriam is interested more in her doughtier alone or also is interested getting in to sexual acts with her Katherine and other people.
Also in chapter 4 or 5 Katherine might finaly discover Miriam's dirty interactions with other people or even Cassius and Hammer which she will want to do together with Miriam as long their bond is strong.
Sorry if its lots to read, but let me know what you all think about all of this.

The Prometheus patch just allows the furry love, it has nothing to do with any incest, the incest patch just changes what Marc calls Myriam from Mi to Mom, so in actuality the actions are still written in the game, but to do this with Katherine would mean Zorlun having to write another back story as to why and how Myriam would get custody of both Marc and Katherine from Anthony, not to mention writing 'sex' scenes into the game that aren't already there as they were with Marc.

 

[Zorlun]

Well, the positive side of the cancelling, could be that even if she cancel this one, it does not automatically mean she cannot in future go do something with Flinn anyway - so, it would mean potentially players could have the choice of going to the gym, without completely eliminating the Flinn ( potential porn route ) from their future gameplay.

Zorlun if you do add the cancel option for the appointment with Flinn are you going to have one or two ways to cancel it? (1: Fully Cancel future photo shoots or 2: Reschedule with Flinn keeping future photo shoots.) It wouldn't be hard for us to replay the game to get the gym scene but in the end its up to you on what you want to do.

It would stopped the Flint plot line, though it would not stop the porn line as she could get to it another way.
Adding this choice is really just to offer convenience of access to the gym scene for those on the Flinn road, without having to roll back too far.

 

[peas]

I would hate to miss the gym scene, but I definitely want Myriam to have the ability to get into porn at some time so I guess I will do the best I can. About the daughter. I understand Zorlun doesn't want any interaction in a sexual manner, but I do think it would be extremely hot. Also, it would give Myriam someone to share these experiences with. That is the one thing I feel is missing in some of these scenes. Such a good game. Thank you.

 

[osservatore17]

when the new update will be released? (not for patreons) thank you so much

 

[krys69]

The Prometheus patch just allows the furry love, it has nothing to do with any incest, the incest patch just changes what Marc calls Myriam from Mi to Mom, so in actuality the actions are still written in the game, but to do this with Katherine would mean Zorlun having to write another back story as to why and how Myriam would get custody of both Marc and Katherine from Anthony, not to mention writing 'sex' scenes into the game that aren't already there as they were with Marc.

That is why I suggested a separate patch (I still think of calling it Oedipus ) that will not mess with the Prometheus patch or the main game.
Also if it would be to much trouble to include any of the things I mentioned in previous chapters, than why not make it a possibility in chapter 4 and beyond, since in that one opening a possible strong bonding between Myriam and Katherine would make even more sens.

 

[TheLecher]

But, what if there was a way to include the mother doughtier or even Myriam and her female Cousin content in to the game without Zorlun getting involved or blamed that he was in any way.
My idea is simple and it comes in two options, option 1, make a second patch or mod (lets call it Oedipus patch/mod) that wont mess with the Prometheus patch, and will simply add extra scenes or fantasies that will involve the female family members.
The second option would be simply either to upgrade the Prometheus patch to where it includes this things already, or just make an add-on for the patch as an option for anyone interested in that content.

Why would Zorlun create a second patch when the Prometheus patch already exists? The SubscribeStar version of the game is the Prometheus patch. Why would he create an additional patch which had to be added to the "pre-patched" version of the game?

If Zorlun wants to add any further incest to the game, he can just put it in the Prometheus patch. For example, if he decided to add the previously mentioned but not confirmed scenes with Myriam's father and/or brother, I would assume that he would just add them to the SubscribeStar version of the game, and leave them out of the Patreon release.

As for lesbian content between Myriam and Katherine, there's still a possibility that it might happen in a threesome, but you shouldn't hold your breath, because Zorlun has said that he currently doesn't plan on that happening. He's left the possibility open that he may change his mind, but don't count on it. He has also stated repeatedly and emphatically that there will be no corruption content for Katherine, unless it happened as part of a bad end.

The Prometheus patch just allows the furry love, it has nothing to do with any incest, the incest patch just changes what Marc calls Myriam from Mi to Mom, so in actuality the actions are still written in the game, but to do this with Katherine would mean Zorlun having to write another back story as to why and how Myriam would get custody of both Marc and Katherine from Anthony, not to mention writing 'sex' scenes into the game that aren't already there as they were with Marc.

There is nothing which says that the Prometheus patch is limited to bestiality. The Prometheus patch isn't really a patch. I mean, go to the OP and look through the patches and mods, and see if you find a "Prometheus patch." That's just what Zorlun calls the SubscribeStar version of the game, which doesn't have content removed, as opposed to the Patreon version of the game, which does have content removed.

So far, the only content which is available in the SubscribeStar version but not available in the Patreon version is bestiality, so that's currently all that the Prometheus patch adds. But there's no reason why Zorlun couldn't include other additional content in the future, if he wanted to do so.

 

[ouch2020]

I know I did ask some time ago, about getting Myriam and Katherine relationship to the next stage (M&D I-love).
And I know its the patreonazi that's at fault for this not being a thing long time ago.
[...]
Sorry if its lots to read, but let me know what you all think about all of this.

Actually, Katherine and Myriam was never really a thing, at least not in the kind of heavier way of e.g. Myriam and Marc in some moments, even before Patreon's intervention.
Zorlun was very clear that it never was his intention - effectively, before Patreon's intervention, there had already been more than one thing with Marc, and since the introduction Marc was the one peeking on Myriam, but there was never anything, nor any suggestion about it, with Katherine.

About your suggestions, simply put, as already pointed out by others, will require someone to recreate the assets used by Zorlun, do the images, modify the code of the game to create entirely new paths, and basically create a new game, that however would use and exploit the work of Zorlun.

I did not only change "Mi" to "Mom" in the text, but my modifications for the incest patch still follow the original story.
E.g. I created a new choice in the menu with Dr Silver and modifierd the dialogue, so Myriam could confess having an incest fantasy to Dr Silver and get an answer that was not the one Zorlun had foreseen for everything else (Dr Silver could not say "go and ahead and explore" in that case, especially with Myriam DOM variant). But I did not create the event.

I have a gentlemen agreement with Zorlun, Myriam is his story, if I wanted to make a different story, I would make a different game (maybe not enough skills, certainly not enough time/other priorities, Myriam is the maximum I can do, and even that, sometime with delays or not enough checking, as people can see).

Which links to a question - do you have the skills and time to do it ?
Honestly, I think you do not (yet), because the impression is that you underestimate the type and energy that would be needed to recreate the assets by imitation, do the kind of patching you are talking about, etc. if you want to have a minimum of assurance it will work well (even more considering the various mods/patches available).
If you have the skills and time, or find someone who does and wants to do it for you, you can try, otherwise, your enthousiasm for the game is certainly appreciated even by Zorlun, but your suggestion is pointless.

 

[Snugglepuff]

If Zorlun wants to add any further incest to the game, he can just put it in the Prometheus patch.

There isn't any in the game as it is. Needs to have some in before "further" can be applied.

He could add other things, but hasn't. Furthermore, he's given no indication if he will or won't in future, so it's pretty pointless to go "he could add this/that".

Zorlun's doing things the way he feels best.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

I know I did ask some time ago, about getting Myriam and Katherine relationship to the next stage (M&D I-love).
And I know its the patreonazi that's at fault for this not being a thing long time ago.
But, what if there was a way to include the mother doughtier or even Myriam and her female Cousin content in to the game without Zorlun getting involved or blamed that he was in any way.
My idea is simple and it comes in two options, option 1, make a second patch or mod (lets call it Oedipus patch/mod) that wont mess with the Prometheus patch, and will simply add extra scenes or fantasies that will involve the female family members.
The second option would be simply either to upgrade the Prometheus patch to where it includes this things already, or just make an add-on for the patch as an option for anyone interested in that content.
I will agree that dumping the M&D content right away will be rushed, so I propose to include it in stages per each chapter. For example, Chapter 1 & 2 make it where both Myriam and Katherine have innocent to mild fantasies about each other depending on the interactions.
In chapter 3 make it where the fantasies get more intense towards each other, and they start to get somewhat intimate to each other by simple touches either when they change their kisses from cheeks to lips kissing, or when they give each other massages that get more intimate (massages involving their booty or tatas).
In chapter 4, I think the bond between both can truly awaken where after the incident at the end of CH3, leads to Katherine realizing that she almost lost her loving mother to whom she started grooving even more stronger bond (a love interest bond).
Even Miriam realizes that as well.
So both begin to get even more involved in each other, and when we get to the part where Miriam gets the part of watching, Katherine's first time, we get an option where we can decide if Miriam is interested more in her doughtier alone or also is interested getting in to sexual acts with her Katherine and other people.
Also in chapter 4 or 5 Katherine might finaly discover Miriam's dirty interactions with other people or even Cassius and Hammer which she will want to do together with Miriam as long their bond is strong.
Sorry if its lots to read, but let me know what you all think about all of this.

There are countless, literally thousands of incest games on this site for you to play, there is no way you could have played them all by now, but for what your looking for sounds like mommy daughter incest, the 2 games that come to mind for that are “Dog days of summer” and “Her Desire”. Trust me there are more just do a search on the updates page and put incest, lesbian, milf in the filter and then get crankin

 

[TheLecher]

There isn't any in the game as it is. Needs to have some in before "further" can be applied.

There is incest in the game, in the patched version (Not the Prometheus patch, which isn't actually a patch, but the ipatch.), so further incest could be added by Zorlun in the Prometheus version. And it's possible that he may do that, since he's said that he's not yet decided about whether or not he'll include scenes between Myriam and her father. Also, as has been explained before, Zorlun's original treatment of the story had Marc as Myriam's biological son, so incest was part of the creator's original intent. The fact that he didn't put it back in, himself, when he started releasing the Prometheus version may just be down to how much work would have been involved. But that's speculation on my part.

He could add other things, but hasn't. Furthermore, he's given no indication if he will or won't in future, so it's pretty pointless to go "he could add this/that".

Your conclusion - that it's pointless to speculate - does not logically follow from either of your premises.

Premise 1 - "He could add other things, but hasn't." Since the speculation is about what he could or might do in the future, the fact that he hasn't already done it is not an argument against it. It doesn't in any way address either the possibility or the probability. If you had pointed to some statement from Zorlun, saying that he wasn't planning to include any "SubscribeStar only" content beyond bestiality, that would be a valid argument. The observation that he hasn't yet exercised that option is not a valid argument, because it's not predictive of the future.

Premise 2 - "He's given no indication if he will or won't in future." So, by your own statement, he has not indicated that he won't do it in future, meaning that there's no reason to put this forward as an argument against it. And also no reason to put it forward as an argument in favor, since he also has not indicated that he will do it in future. Basically, this statement of yours would make a better argument in favor or speculation, since you just pointed out that Zorlun hasn't said, one way or the other, meaning that it's an open question. And open questions are the very thing about which one speculates. If it's not an open question, then you wouldn't speculate. But you say that it is an open question.

When arguing, one is supposed to provide premises which logically connect with one's conclusion. If your premises don't connect with your conclusion, then your conclusion is invalid.

Zorlun's doing things the way he feels best.

Okay. But who said that he wasn't doing things the way he feels is best?

 

[Snugglepuff]

There is incest in the game, in the patched version

There's only incest in the modded version... It's a third-party modification.

Now, you and I both know that it was intended that Mark and Myriam were mother & son then Patreon reared its ugly head and made its demands of Zorlun, so there is no incest in the game. Not even in the Prometheus version.
That's why Ouch2020 waits until the Prometheus version has been released before updating his mod.

 

[TheLecher]

There's only incest in the modded version... It's a third-party modification.

Now, you and I both know that it was intended that Mark and Myriam were mother & son then Patreon reared its ugly head and made its demands of Zorlun, so there is no incest in the game. Not even in the Prometheus version.
That's why Ouch2020 waits until the Prometheus version has been released before updating his mod.

Yes, ouch2020's incest patch is a third-party modification. I don't dispute that at all.

And yes, Patreon's censorship is the reason why there's no incest in the Patreon version. (Fuck Patreon.) But that can't be the only reason why it's not in the Prometheus version, since that version includes bestiality, which is also forbidden by Patreon. If the Prometheus version includes one type of content which would get Zorlun banned on Patreon, then it can include other types of content banned by Patreon. There has to be an additional reason why Zorlun didn't add the incest back in for the Prometheus version.

My best guess as to why Zorlun didn't add the incest back in for the Prometheus version is that he decided that it was just too much work. Changing the script for the game to eliminate incest for Patreon must have been a huge pain in the ass, and maybe he didn't want to go to all that bother again, to change it back for SubscribeStar. That's just a guess, though.

Of course, that guess only applies to the relationship between Marc and Myriam. If Zorlun does decide to include incest between Myriam and her father and/or brother - which he tells us is not yet decided - then he pretty much has to add it to the Prometheus patch, because ouch2020 isn't going to render those scenes for him. The ipatch which ouch2020 makes only modifies the text in the game. It doesn't add images.

 

[Snugglepuff]

(Fuck Patreon.)

Ewww, no. Might catch something horrible. Like, super-aids or Hepatitus-paedophilia!
It's more fuck Paypal and payment processors than Patreon, since they were the ones who leant on Patreon in the first place on that kind of thing.

But that can't be the only reason why it's not in the Prometheus version, since that version includes bestiality, which is also forbidden by Patreon.

I was going to provide a much longer response, with examples of what's already been explained, but then I remember the last couple of times that went, where you decided on your own "personal interpretation" of Zorlun's words.
So, here's the short version... Because Zorlun.

 

[ouch2020]

only reason why it's not in the Prometheus version, since that version includes bestiality, which is also forbidden by Patreon. If the Prometheus version includes one type of content which would get Zorlun banned on Patreon, then it can include other types of content banned by Patreon. There has to be an additional reason why Zorlun didn't add the incest back in for the Prometheus version.
[...]

If Zorlun does decide to include incest between Myriam and her father and/or brother - which he tells us is not yet decided - then he pretty much has to add it to the Prometheus patch, because ouch2020 isn't going to render those scenes for him. The ipatch which ouch2020 makes only modifies the text in the game. It doesn't add images.

There is no doubt I am a third party, as I pointed out long ago when someone suggested I was Zorlun under under login - that, because Patreon had threatened to shut down Zorlun even if he distributed an incest patch through another site.

At the same time, the incest between Myriam and Marc was there in the game and in Zorlun's idea from the start, and some scenes with him already happened before Patreon's intervention.
So, everybody should remember I did not add up something that was not as idea already in the game, I tried to restore an idea that was already there.
It would be different for Katherine. Even before Patreon's intervention, there was no scene, phrase, nothing suggesting Katherine could have an incestous interest in Myriam (or viceversa).
So, adding that up, would mean modifying heavily the flow and premises of the story, something I had promised Zorlun not to do. I make plenty of naughty suggestions here, but it's up to him to decide whether they fit in and pick them up, or not.

Also, as you pointed out, I don't add up images, I do not have the assets, nor the time, nor can I coordinate with Zorlun for that.

Also please notice, independently from any other information you may or may not have received, which may or may not be reliable, remember always that the Prometheus patch is not from Zorlun and does not involve Zorlun, for the same reason I indicated above about the risk from Patreon.

That is also one good reason Zorlun may or may not put the incest with brother or father (though the one with the brother, as Myriam helping him feel good, would be more easily in line with the contents till now, including the sessions with Dr Silver) - the risk of Patreon's intervention.
It was obvious that someone suggested to Patreon to check him, that is why he was "busted", of course he would prefer to avoid having again the same problem.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

So this amateur from a new game says this

Myriam would like a word with the judges UH, Hold my Beer

 

[doccop63]

Ouch2020 makes valid points about the amount of work it would take to accommodate a M/D relationship. He would basically have to re-write and re-render the entire story, which he keeps reiterating is about Myriam as well as Katherine being an emotional anchor.
I am & have been working on an adult story that is going on 2 1/2 years now. The MC is a female protag who is a porn actress. She's involved in incest with Every member of her family ( male & female) with heavy bestiality, light BDSM (for now), mild violence (for now) and corruption. TRUST me, just getting this far has been taxing and I don't even Do rendering (I don't have the patience to even learn at this point).
I said all of that to say this point. My MC has a daughter but I have Zero intention of anything being incestuous now or in the future because the daughter is a grounding point for the MC. I added a conversation between the MC & the family to keep their kinks as far away from the daughter as possible. Somebody has to be incorruptible to keep the MC from "wilding out" any further, as it were.
I guess the point I'm making here is, despite the amount of work it would take to rewrite the situations in a nearly 3year story, I don't Want to do that. If I had to factor in renderings, I Definitely wouldn't want to. That's why I respect Zorlun's stance on the matter. Sure, the suggestions would be hot for those into that trope but it would change his story. Given that I'm only Writing a story, completely changing the story, especially after all of the work gone into it thus far, is out of the question for me.
And btw, Great job Zorlun. IMO, Project Myriam is the best game out there.

 

[Snugglepuff]

It was obvious that someone suggested to Patreon to check him, that is why he was "busted", of course he would prefer to avoid having again the same problem.

Lecher as Patreon mole confirmed!

 

[TheLecher]

I was going to provide a much longer response, with examples of what's already been explained, but then I remember the last couple of times that went, where you decided on your own "personal interpretation" of Zorlun's words.

Oh, yeah. The conversation in which you carefully ignored Zorlun's precise wording, in order to insist on an interpretation which Zorlun overrode immediately after our argument. I remember that.

But I'm not going to have that argument again here in this thread. We've argued about it twice already, with no resolution, and both times Zorlun has gotten upset. Feel free to send me a private message, if you want to continue the debate.

That is also one good reason Zorlun may or may not put the incest with brother or father (though the one with the brother, as Myriam helping him feel good, would be more easily in line with the contents till now, including the sessions with Dr Silver) - the risk of Patreon's intervention.

If Patreon was going to take action over the Prometheus version of the game, they would have done so already. It's clear that Patreon isn't checking the files Zorlun posts on SubscribeStar.

 

[TomUK]

If Patreon was going to take action over the Prometheus version of the game, they would have done so already. It's clear that Patreon isn't checking the files Zorlun posts on SubscribeStar.

The Patreon thing (if I remember rightly) is basically about their bank, personally I don't think they give a shit about the content people want to play, it's more to do with their bank threatening them with closing their accounts if they carry on allowing 'taboo' content they don't want to be associated with.