VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.08a+p] [Zorlun]

[ouch2020]

Guess you would have to take the option at the start of the game to accept certain kinks and/or accept just before the first encounter to accept furry friends.

Correct, needs to accept the furry stuff, but also, need to take some choices that bring to creating the conditions necessary (e.g. bringing out the dog, instead of doing something else), and then still accept to do stuff with the dog/let the dog do stuff, rather than stopping him (yep, I am one of those who refer to dog as "he/she", and not "it" ).

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Again, please don't forget we are talking about different legal systems, so, the language matters, translated but even not translated.
In USA, at least many States, they can talk about sexual assault, in others jurisdictions, it would be attempted rape as a crime in itself, due to the physical violence and the attempt at forcing sex, even without penetration - though I agree that the game is supposed to be based in USA.
And then, we know that sometime in USA lawyers can kind of "negotiate the crime" .
But on the other hand, despite being well developed in some aspects, like some characters elements, there is a number of things where the game takes some liberties, as is normal, so, we should remember not to be too much "lawyering" about it, something I admit honestly I myself have done more than once, probably a bit too much, and certainly more than you

I understand what you're trying to say. But as you say the game is based in the USA, and I try to imagine how things would be there, even though I'm not American myself. In the USA, attempted rape is referred to as sexual assault, it's the same thing ( except in Arizona and Colorado where sexual assault is just referred to as rape). For it to be a rape in most states, it requires actual penetration. Sexual assault is not necessarily a lesser crime though ( level 3 sexual assault carries a maximum penalty of 20 years).

Anthony worked for the West Coast branch, of the company owned by Myriam's father, and she's living close to the ocean. So I think we can rule out Arizona and Colorado. Most likely she's supposed to be living in California.

 

[Zorlun]

Anthony worked for the West Coast branch, of the company owned by Myriam's father, and she's living close to the ocean. So I think we can rule out Arizona and Colorado. Most likely she's supposed to be living in California.

This was the idea yes, California.

 

[darlic]

No, I meant in the stats. There's no kink there relating to Myriam having sex with old guys. Obviously there are scenes with older guys. Bobo would be in that category, and the priest as well, and I'm guessing something sexual will happen when Myriam reaches the social work scenario, involving old people. And will something eventually happen with the obnoxious old guy who lives next door to Myriam?

Usually kinks have specific descriptive names, but in this instance I can't find one, which suggests it's not actually classed as a kink. It's more of a personal preference than a kink perhaps? In any case is it really that extreme for a mature woman like Myriam to have sex with a guy that is somewhat more mature. If she was 18, then maybe that would be considered out of the ordinary? But she's obviously over 40, and it's not unusual for women of that age, to end up in relationships with guys who are 60-70.

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[Udayana]

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I'm not sure von Krafft-Ebing would be a reference nowadays, the article you cite says: “Gerontophilia is classified as a

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” which seems to mean his wonderful works are ignored.

 

[darlic]

I'm not sure von Krafft-Ebing would be a reference nowadays, the article you cite says: “Gerontophilia is classified as a

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, but is not mentioned in the

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or

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” which seems to mean his wonderful works are ignored.

I don't feel like sexual attraction to the elderly should be classified as a mental disorder honestly. Love is love, ain't what people say all the time nowadays?

 

[doccop63]

Zorlun, you said that the story was based in Cali. That was something that I'd wanted to address way back at the beginning of Chapter 3. The police uniforms and the decals of the patrol cars all say New York City. As famous as the Los Angeles Police Department is (for good and bad), isn't there a template on Daz3D with their patches and/or logos in it? I know that you wanted realism in the game but the police unis don't correlate with the intro to the story. It would be better (since no city is Actually given) to do like the movie studios and just use generic patches on the clothing and a simple "Police" decal of the cars portrayed. I know that this seems petty (especially for those outside of the US) but it is important to the story for a semblance of accuracy.

 

[Zorlun]

Zorlun, you said that the story was based in Cali. That was something that I'd wanted to address way back at the beginning of Chapter 3. The police uniforms and the decals of the patrol cars all say New York City. As famous as the Los Angeles Police Department is (for good and bad), isn't there a template on Daz3D with their patches and/or logos in it? I know that you wanted realism in the game but the police unis don't correlate with the intro to the story. It would be better (since no city is Actually given) to do like the movie studios and just use generic patches on the clothing and a simple "Police" decal of the cars portrayed. I know that this seems petty (especially for those outside of the US) but it is important to the story for a semblance of accuracy.

Simply a matter of resources (using what I can find) and also the fact that I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject about all the different uniforms (as not living in the US), but I understand your point and the fact it can be immersion breaking for people noticing.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

Zorlun, you said that the story was based in Cali. That was something that I'd wanted to address way back at the beginning of Chapter 3. The police uniforms and the decals of the patrol cars all say New York City. As famous as the Los Angeles Police Department is (for good and bad), isn't there a template on Daz3D with their patches and/or logos in it? I know that you wanted realism in the game but the police unis don't correlate with the intro to the story. It would be better (since no city is Actually given) to do like the movie studios and just use generic patches on the clothing and a simple "Police" decal of the cars portrayed. I know that this seems petty (especially for those outside of the US) but it is important to the story for a semblance of accuracy.

Never noticed, but what I think should happen to those 2 asshole cops is some rough treatment on there asses
HAMMERTIME!!!

 

[yikess]

What is next update about? Next job from eva? With old man's or prisoners?
Zorlun

 

[ouch2020]

Anthony worked for the West Coast branch, of the company owned by Myriam's father, and she's living close to the ocean. So I think we can rule out Arizona and Colorado. Most likely she's supposed to be living in California.

Oh, I see what you mean, and yes, Zorlun just confirmed it is supposed to be California, so, we could check the law in California if we wanted to be precise.
But I admit that I have no intention of doing it, just because I don't want to start taking myself and the game too seriously , although I occasionally do get in long exchanges about it, and I like some psychological aspects of some characters, because I can recognise elements that I know are quite close to, or very, realistic.

I am more curious for the incest part, since I do that patch, so I checked that again - curiously, it seems it would be a crime, and would be punished by imprisonment in the State prison, but without indication of minimum or maximum length (so, apparently, one day or even less, could already satisfy the law), and registation as sex offender for 20 years (after sentence or release).
The thing about California I still remembered, is the age of consent being an absolute 18 (meaning, it is fellony even if they are both under 18), though apparently with some divergences (but only in civil courts

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) and with anyway some variability in penalty depending on the ages.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Oh, I see what you mean, and yes, Zorlun just confirmed it is supposed to be California, so, we could check the law in California if we wanted to be precise.
But I admit that I have no intention of doing it, just because I don't want to start taking myself and the game too seriously , although I occasionally do get in long exchanges about it, and I like some psychological aspects of some characters, because I can recognise elements that I know are quite close to, or very, realistic.

I am more curious for the incest part, since I do that patch, so I checked that again - curiously, it seems it would be a crime, and would be punished by imprisonment in the State prison, but without indication of minimum or maximum length (so, apparently, one day or even less, could already satisfy the law), and registation as sex offender for 20 years (after sentence or release).
The thing about California I still remembered, is the age of consent being an absolute 18 (meaning, it is fellony even if they are both under 18), though apparently with some divergences (but only in civil courts

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) and with anyway some variability in penalty depending on the ages.

You don't need to check. I told you in the post. It's rape in Arizona and Colorado. But in every other state ( including California) it would be sexual assault. In all those states, if there's no penetrative sex, then it's not regarded as rape. But sexual assault is still a very serious offence, with a maximum penalty of 20 years.

From what you say above, under California law, Myriam is effectively guilty of rape herself, because Marc would be regarded as a minor there. She's applying for legal guardianship of him, which means he's not yet 18. Therefore, if she willingly has penetrative sex with him, she effectively would be raping him in California, and not just taking part in an incestuous act.

So Myriam is maybe not just a victim of rape, she actually could be a rapist herself? Which I'm guessing wasn't Zorlun's intention.

But perhaps Myriam just wasn't aware of that? Because in her home state of Texas, the age of consent is 17 ( and Marc is 17).

 

[ouch2020]

From what you say above, under California law, Myriam is effectively guilty of rape herself, because Marc would be regarded as a minor there. She's applying for legal guardianship of him, which means he's not yet 18. Therefore, if she willingly has penetrative sex with him, she effectively would be raping him in California, and not just taking part in an incestuous act.

Nope, I checked when I looked again for the incest patch. Marc is agreeing, so it would no be rape, although given the age difference, would still be a fellony, and in the case of the incest patch, incest.
Incest covers sexual intercourse in California, and while having sex below age of consent, when even one of the two is under that age, is a fellony, it is not rape - there is no statutory rape in California, a bill about it was proposed some years ago, and was killed.

For the rest, that's where you starting to see the problem of taking the game too precisely/seriously , a crime of which at times I am guilty myself .

Zorlun said he decided later to make Marc 18, which would mean indeed no custody in California (safe maybe special situations, but that are not applicable to Marc).

But actually, if it was not her son, even if he was under 18, she would have no claim for custody, because they are not married (unless using the incest patch, and the original storyline as Zorlun had first made it).

At maximum, if it was decided to put him up for adoption, she could try to be considered as guardian as a kind of "foster care" situation, or to adopt him, but in general, there are families that are already part of the foster car system, and in a situation where Myriam and Anthony are fighting and they are not married (I am not considering jurisdictions were registered legal cohabitation is considered almost identical to marriage, because that does not appear to be the situation in California, nor in most USA States), no decent social support services psychologist would give a positive opinion to the kid being put in the middle of that conflict situation.
They would rather support him being put temporarily in a location and environment supposed to shield him away not only from Anthony, but also from the conflict between Myriam and Anthony (which would mean, if not Anthony, then not even Myriam).
Different matter in the situation with Myriam and Anthony being married (battles for custody over the kids are almost standard fare for divorces).

Of course, there is always the possibilty the judge was given very good argument by Myriam that made him see Myriam's very well developed arguments , and/or being sucked irresistibly in by the truth , and therefore decide for Myriam.
But we know that the whole sequence related to custody etc. was a plot by Zorlun to have a way to get definetively (aside one eventual episode in future, depending from the player choices) rid of Anthony, he even admitted he did not think too much about representing exactly the legal aspects, so, IMO we should not spend too much energy on that.

 

[xapican]

But perhaps Myriam just wasn't aware of that? Because in her home state of Texas, the age of consent is 17 ( and Marc is 17).

I'm almost certain, that in the whole world, unawareness, ignorace, don't exime you from the Punishment, or sentece.
anyway for me it is irrelevant and kinda boring to start a discussion about laws

 

[Buster65]

Younger women having sex with old guys. Is it even really a kink? It's definitely not classed as one in this game.

Surely you know and have visited the Spankbang site. There's quite a bit of that material there... erm... A friend told me about it.

 

[brichouse]

Nope, I checked when I looked again for the incest patch. Marc is agreeing, so it would no be rape, although given the age difference, would still be a fellony, and in the case of the incest patch, incest.
Incest covers sexual intercourse in California, and while having sex below age of consent, when even one of the two is under that age, is a fellony, it is not rape - there is no statutory rape in California, a bill about it was proposed some years ago, and was killed.

I'm too lazy to really delve into this rape discourse that's being had - but consent is not a defense to statutory rape. By definition, statutory rape is an offense via statute, and there is no defense to it. Therefore, having sex with a minor would make you guilty of statutory rape, regardless of consent, or even a mistaken belief that the minor is of age. And while it's not rape in the sense that I guess you'd be thinking (forcible penetration, etc), it's rape because the belief is that minors cannot give informed consent, so any sexual acts with a minor are forcible acts with a minor, basically.

Also, there is absolutely statutory rape in California. There are like three or four different subsections of California's penal code that address different statutory rape scenarios.

 

[doccop63]

How did this thread start getting into a heated and extended discussion on rape in a Game?? It's just a GAME folks. I don't expect Any person, dev, modder or writer to known the nuances of Every possible situation in a Porn game, be it NTR (which I'm Totally sick of reading about), rape, dom/sub, whatever. Can't be done and, tbh, wouldn't want to. Takes away the fantasy. Kinda like fire breathing dragons in Game of Thrones or walking, talking bipedal fish in Star Trek TNG. With the exceptions imposed by law of various countries on child pornography, it's all make believe folks. Whew!

 

[3nterprise]

it deals with trivial matters, it is a sex game, it is not a legal simulator. The characters are virtual, wake up people.

 

[nimsen]

Tried search but didn't find any recent info when walkthrough mod is going to be updated?
So just asking...

 

[ouch2020]

I'm too lazy to really delve into this rape discourse that's being had - but consent is not a defense to statutory rape. By definition, statutory rape is an offense via statute, and there is no defense to it. Therefore, having sex with a minor would make you guilty of statutory rape, regardless of consent, or even a mistaken belief that the minor is of age. And while it's not rape in the sense that I guess you'd be thinking (forcible penetration, etc), it's rape because the belief is that minors cannot give informed consent, so any sexual acts with a minor are forcible acts with a minor, basically.

Also, there is absolutely statutory rape in California. There are like three or four different subsections of California's penal code that address different statutory rape scenarios.

Well, I never said that consent eliminates statutory rape, because I know it doesn't, that's why it is "statutory rape", and not just "rape".

The source I found said California does not have statutory rape, but honestly, I did not go deeply on it, if you say it does have it, I can even believe you.
Just be careful that saying if someone older has sex with someone younger is a fellony (as even my sources said and was in my post), it is not the same as having statutory rape.

Statutory rape means that will automatically apply the rape law with the same penalties and indications as "normal" rape, not that .

Again, this is starting to become another long discussion, like the polemics about "incest was there originally or not", "Zorlun should make a campaign againt Patreon" etc.

I realise I contributed myself to making it long, my mistake, I am going to sign off from this whole discussion, although I admit one of my defects is that I am at times too easily dragged in this type of discussions

Just enjoy the game, in the end Zorlun never meant for the game to be a precise representation of reality, though I believe he did a good job in some aspects of the psychological side.