VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.12+p] [Zorlun]

[DirtyMario]

No there wasn't any way in which he could have done so.
For your information, since you evidently do not know the story, in his case, Patreon explicitly told him that if he had been in any way involved with the release of an incest version of the game, even on any other platform (like F95 or Subscribestar), they would have killed his account on Patreon and banned him.
I know some people said he should have done it anyway, but it is always easy to be corageous when someome else is the one risking their livelihood
That is why I stepped in to do the incest patch.
That is why you can see my posts about it having often also Zorlun in the list of the "likes" - he cannot, and he is not, involved in any way with the release of the incest patch, I get the game like all other subscribers, but the incest patch is not something done against his will, and he had put incest in from the start, he just cannot be involved with the patch or make it available.

Oh that's the beauty of Patreon.
Say something controversial on Twitter?
Posted a pic they don't like on Discord?
Get banned on Twitch for voicing your opinion?

Your Patreon is gone too. Because we can. And fuck you in particular.

That shit company shouldn't earn a single fucking dollar.

 

[Walter Victor]

No there wasn't any way in which he could have done so.
For your information, since you evidently do not know the story, in his case, Patreon explicitly told him that if he had been in any way involved with the release of an incest version of the game, even on any other platform (like F95 or Subscribestar), they would have killed his account on Patreon and banned him.
I know some people said he should have done it anyway, but it is always easy to be corageous when someome else is the one risking their livelihood
That is why I stepped in to do the incest patch.
That is why you can see my posts about it having often also Zorlun in the list of the "likes" - he cannot, and he is not, involved in any way with the release of the incest patch, I get the game like all other subscribers, but the incest patch is not something done against his will, and he had put incest in from the start, he just cannot be involved with the patch or make it available.

And yet, here it is on F95 with YOUR incest patch. As with any game, the developer's defense is that they cannot prevent other people from modifying their game. The code is out there for anyone to tinker with. You got it and changed it. Hell, I've been known to change certain facets of the scripts as I play along - mainly to try to combine routes into one. So, in that aspect I am guilty of going against the developer's desires too. I'll accept the 'hypocrite' tag on that.

Did Zorlun ask you to make a patch for him? If so, I take back everything I've said. Otherwise I stand by my words on this subject.

I should add that the Patreon administrators do NOT read code. Never have and (at least I hope) never will. There are scores of incest games out there with simple switches and parallel lines of code for incest and non-incest routes. These games seem to get by the Patreon laws just fine.

Nonetheless, I am not trying to stop you from providing your patch, or anyone else from using it. I doubt that I have any chance of changing your mind. Just stating my own personal opinion.

 

[DirtyMario]

And yet, here it is on F95 with YOUR incest patch. As with any game, the developer's defense is that they cannot prevent other people from modifying their game. The code is out there for anyone to tinker with. You got it and changed it. Hell, I've been known to change certain facets of the scripts as I play along - mainly to try to combine routes into one. So, in that aspect I am guilty of going against the developer's desires too. I'll accept the 'hypocrite' tag on that.

Did Zorlun ask you to make a patch for him? If so, I take back everything I've said. Otherwise I stand by my words on this subject.

I should add that the Patreon administrators do NOT read code. Never have and (at least I hope) never will. There are scores of incest games out there with simple switches and parallel lines of code for incest and non-incest routes. These games seem to get by the Patreon laws just fine.

Nonetheless, I am not trying to stop you from providing your patch, or anyone else from using it. I doubt that I have any chance of changing your mind. Just stating my own personal opinion.

The Patreon Trust & Safety team™ does indeed not read code. But they read Patreon private messages. And Discord. And in some cases, everything you do in other places on the internet. Because if you collect support through their site, they obviously have the right to stalk you everywhere you go and invade your privacy.

As far as the patch goes, there's opinions and there's facts.
Your opinion is, well, your opinion. And the facts are that there was incest/bestiality in this game right from the start. And it was only begrudgingly removed because of threats by Patreon. Large chunks of the script and story had to be rewritten, many chapters back.
It's only convenient that some knight in shiny armor that is totally unrelated to the dev came along and made a patch that added all of this back in.

Did Zorlun ask you to make a patch for him?

He should in no way shape or form answer that. I wouldn't be surprised if they got their beady eyes in here too.

 

[ouch2020]

Zorlun, I have a doubt, since Marc points out that they have some hours before Katherine and William come back, that is true both if they "do something" in the pool, and if Myriam "dodges the bullet" there.
Which means, in one scenario (if they have "done something" in the pool), there is time for more than just a blowjob for them, and in another scenario, if Myriam managed to avoid, they will still have all the time to go inside and get her to "do stuff".
Actually, if they are in the "Myriam sub Marc dom" situation, maybe even if she agreed to the bikini and they "did something", but even more in the other possible situations (refused bikini, even if after she put it on; bikini wet but went inside; bikini but went inside; more of all, if she did not put the bikini on)...
That could give an increasingly strong (meaning, some scenarios would give him more reason than others) reason for Marc to want to push her trying to show "her" "he is in charge" - I see the possibility for some red butt spanking punishment and maybe some rough sex action, if she does not stop him

Yep, I know, I am being evil to our sweet Myriam, but to me, the link with Marc is clearly a "push push" link, where Marc pushes in one direction, and Myriam pushes back. So, while they are still deciding where is the limit, it is normal he tries to push, and she has to see how much she wants to push back from her side - I noticed you capture that with variables like dominance and willpower, even in the pool sequence, she may say "no" to the bikini but then put it on, look at herself in the bikini in different ways, decide to go inside before taking the swim or after, and that has an impact on those variables.[/ISPOIILER]

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

The Patreon Trust & Safety team™ does indeed not read code. But they read Patreon private messages. And Discord. And in some cases, everything you do in other places on the internet. Because if you collect support through their site, they obviously have the right to stalk you everywhere you go and invade your privacy.

As far as the patch goes, there's opinions and there's facts.
Your opinion is, well, your opinion. And the facts are that there was incest/bestiality in this game right from the start. And it was only begrudgingly removed because of threats by Patreon. Large chunks of the script and story had to be rewritten, many chapters back.
It's only convenient that some knight in shiny armor that is totally unrelated to the dev came along and made a patch that added all of this back in.


He should in no way shape or form answer that. I wouldn't be surprised if they got their beady eyes in here too.

Well if there watching then FUCK YOU Patreon! I’m with subscribestar!

 

[Bibifoc]

But they read Patreon private messages.

They really do that?

 

[Walter Victor]

As far as the patch goes, there's opinions and there's facts.
Your opinion is, well, your opinion. And the facts are that there was incest/bestiality in this game right from the start. And it was only begrudgingly removed because of threats by Patreon. Large chunks of the script and story had to be rewritten, many chapters back.
It's only convenient that some knight in shiny armor that is totally unrelated to the dev came along and made a patch that added all of this back in.

That is very interesting, because it is fact that there is a bestiality patch provided in the download, AND there is code in the main game to access it. While the Prometheus patch might only be available through Subscribestar, I seriously doubt that the code to get to it exists only there. Please correct me if I am mistaken. I'm not afraid to be wrong.

If I am correct though, Zorlun figured out a way to get bestiality back into the game, but didn't bother with incest for Marc.

 

[DirtyMario]

They really do that?

They do.
Which is why Zorlun was a bit upset a few pages back by someone asking about the patch via Patreon PM.
They obviously don't have the time and staff to read everything all the time but if they are suspicious or get tipped off your ass gets scanned.

That is very interesting, because it is fact that there is a bestiality patch provided in the download, AND there is code in the main game to access it. While the Prometheus patch might only be available through Subscribestar, I seriously doubt that the code to get to it exists only there. Please correct me if I am mistaken. I'm not afraid to be wrong.

If I am correct though, Zorlun figured out a way to get bestiality back into the game, but didn't bother with incest for Marc.

I don't have the motivation to check code so I wouldn't be able to tell you.
But as far as incest with Marc goes, I'm not sure what you mean by that. In just the last minutes of the latest update Marc had his dick up his mothers step mothers ass to the hilt.

 

[rambo25]

Does this update have 32 Bit exe ?.thanks in advance for a answer

 

[DirtyMario]

Does this update have 32 Bit exe ?.thanks in advance for a answer

Yes.

 

[Walter Victor]

But as far as incest with Marc goes, I'm not sure what you mean by that. In just the last minutes of the latest update Marc had his dick up his mothers ass to the hilt.

Since when? Since when is Myriam Marc's mother? Come on, man. That is NOT what is in any code that is provided by the developer on ANY platform. It may be the way the developer wanted it at the beginning and it IS the way the incest patch portrays it, but it's NOT in the game if you play any version of it without patching it. In fact Anthony is always referred to as Myriam's boyfriend or ex-boyfriend, as opposed to Katherine's deceased father who is always referred to as Myriam's ex-husband. And Marc is Anthony's son in any version patched (I believe, haven't played it) or un-patched.

 

[ouch2020]

It's only convenient that some knight in shiny armor that is totally unrelated to the dev came along and made a patch that added all of this back in.

Well, thanks, though I would not describe myself as a "knight in shiny armor", not for the patch.

Though I can also answer a question - but that answer, I'd better put it in a reply directly to the person

 

[ouch2020]

Since when? Since when is Myriam Marc's mother? Come on, man. That is NOT what is in any code that is provided by the developer on ANY platform. It may be the way the developer wanted it at the beginning and it IS the way the incest patch portrays it, but it's NOT in the game if you play any version of it without patching it. In fact Anthony is always referred to as Myriam's boyfriend or ex-boyfriend, as opposed to Katherine's deceased father who is always referred to as Myriam's ex-husband. And Marc is Anthony's son in any version patched (I believe, haven't played it) or un-patched.

Since when ? Since version 0, or at least, up to version 2.xx (don't remember anymore the exact number).

Search the n messages exchanged - in the original story, Myriam and Anthony were married, Marc and Katherine where their children, and Marc and Myriam could start "doing stuff".

You should check before you make some statements., it is evident you discovered the game more recently, good for Zorlun, but you should not assume it was always as it is now.

Zorlun had to take that away because Patreon forced him to (not getting again on why he ahd to do it and could not ignore Patreon, it is an old story).
I put it back, but I did not invent the thing, or the name or surnames of any character, this is Zorlun's game.

I put the incest back, and try to make sure everything in the game is coherent with having the incest back, but I do not modify the story development, at maximum I added one choice in a menu (dialogue with Dr Silver) and modified the value of some variables that Zorlun had already put in the game (and in reality, are the ones that you modify with your choices in the game, e.g. "Willpower").

 

[Walter Victor]

Since when ? Since version 0, or at least, up to version 2.xx (don't remember anymore the exact number).

Search the n messages exchanged - in the original story, Myriam and Anthony were married, Marc and Katherine where their children, and Marc and Myriam could start "doing stuff".

You should check before you make some statements., it is evident you discovered the game more recently, good for Zorlun, but you should not assume it was always as it is now.

Zorlun had to take that away because Patreon forced him to (not getting again on why he ahd to do it and could not ignore Patreon, it is an old story).
I put it back, but I did not invent the thing, or the name or surnames of any character, this is Zorlun's game.

I put the incest back, and try to make sure everything in the game is coherent with having the incest back, but I do not modify the story development, at maximum I added one choice in a menu (dialogue with Dr Silver) and modified the value of some variables that Zorlun had already put in the game (and in reality, are the ones that you modify with your choices in the game, e.g. "Willpower").

Sorry if I did not make myself clear. My question about 'Since when?' was in direct response to a statement about the CURRENT state of the game and its code.

I am in no way attempting to question your knowledge of the early part of the game. I bow to it.

It does seem to me odd though, that the developer decided to create a patch for the bestiality scenes, but not for the incest. Perhaps you can shed some light on that one for me.

 

[Viressa]

The Patreon Trust & Safety team™ does indeed not read code. But they read Patreon private messages. And Discord. And in some cases, everything you do in other places on the internet. Because if you collect support through their site, they obviously have the right to stalk you everywhere you go and invade your privacy.

I know more than one artist who had to deactivate their personal twitter accounts because they would post art there they weren't allowed to post on Patreon, cause they got threatened to have their Patreons banned if they didn't. All because Mastercard is run by weird prudes who use their position in the payment processing oligopoly to do political activism.

The really fucked up thing is they don't just ban you for stuff that would be illegal (in some places) if it were a film of real people, like beastie, incest, or **, I can sortof understand that because the argument that drawn ** is equivalent to real ** and thus criminally prosecutable has held up in court before. But also shit like hypnosis or transformation. That's just "fuck you, we're adding kinks to the ban list one by one until all NSFW content is disallowed."

 

[Deleted member 2553135]

It does seem to me odd though, that the developer decided to create a patch for the bestiality scenes, but not for the incest. Perhaps you can shed some light on that one for me.

So in the end, on Patreon I can only share to the patrons the game as the guidelines edict or find my Patreon page shut down, after that, thanks to the third party modder Prometheus you have access to a free patch with the bestiality content that was cut out (on SubscribeStar, F95 and Discord), but for the incest, I had to rewrote the family setting, no patching possible here, it was too much intricate to the game, my only solution to avoid overcomplicate my life and development was to simply rewrite the incest part of the game, first to have a consistent story (meaning avoiding the tenant/landlady which would make no sense) and second to avoid having in the end to create two parallel games.

 

[ouch2020]

Did Zorlun ask you to make a patch for him? If so, I take back everything I've said. Otherwise I stand by my words on this subject.

Zorlun did not ask me to do it - but the incest was in from the start, and Zorlun did not "move on", he just accepted that he could not fight against Patreon.

There were lots of people complaining about the changes forced by Patreon, saying someone should bring back bestiality and incest, telling Zorlun he should do it, even some suggesting how he should do it, but nobody doing it, and some people explicitly dropping the game, not even for the incest itself, but as a kind of "principle" because they disliked the fact the game was changed to follow Patreon's impositions.
Since I had already done something on my computer to keep the incest in, I just starting repackaging my thing, and distributed it, and I have been doing it for a few months.

Zorlun was informed I was going to do it, but he did not ask me to do it, nor pushed anybody to use the incest patch. I am not making money with his work; I do something he is not allowed to do anymore but had originally foreseen; and in this way, a bit more people get interested in the game and eventually sponsor him, which in turns means he gets the funding to continue developing the game.

Nonetheless, I am not trying to stop you from providing your patch, or anyone else from using it. I doubt that I have any chance of changing your mind. Just stating my own personal opinion.

I normally try to avoid being wilfully rude to people, both in real life and in fora like F95, but in this case, I have to said very brutally, that I would not give a damn even if you tried to stop me from providing the patch .

That phrase is said like if you were arrogating yourself a right you do not have.
The only person on F95 who could eventually ask me to stop making the incest patch, or better, ask me to stop distributing it, would be Zorlun himself, just because I respect the fact he is the author of the game.
I am not doing it for, or with, him.
I am a subscriber, but I use the public version as base, the incest patch comes always after the public version - I do not have access to the game before any other subscriber.

Though is quite funny in a way . There was first the polemic about the incest disappearing, and at times even against Zorlun for that, something that had a resurgence at a moment.
Now, the polemic seems to be about people deciding incest should not be there, without knowing how the game was, and was foreseen, before Patreon's intervention.

 

[Zorlun]

By the way since the developer doesn't support incest on his game shouldn't the tag the taken out? After all he is not the one providing the incest mod.

There is incest in the game (light but still) with the scene between Myriam and Eve at the spa, so the tag will stay.

And yet, here it is on F95 with YOUR incest patch. As with any game, the developer's defense is that they cannot prevent other people from modifying their game. The code is out there for anyone to tinker with. You got it and changed it. Hell, I've been known to change certain facets of the scripts as I play along - mainly to try to combine routes into one. So, in that aspect I am guilty of going against the developer's desires too. I'll accept the 'hypocrite' tag on that.

Did Zorlun ask you to make a patch for him? If so, I take back everything I've said. Otherwise I stand by my words on this subject.

I should add that the Patreon administrators do NOT read code. Never have and (at least I hope) never will. There are scores of incest games out there with simple switches and parallel lines of code for incest and non-incest routes. These games seem to get by the Patreon laws just fine.

Nonetheless, I am not trying to stop you from providing your patch, or anyone else from using it. I doubt that I have any chance of changing your mind. Just stating my own personal opinion.

Didn't ask, but didn't stop him to make his patch and sharing it with those who wished to use it.
I see it as any other mod made on the game.

If I am correct though, Zorlun figured out a way to get bestiality back into the game, but didn't bother with incest for Marc.

The bestiality content wasn't hard to cut and put away, it was just some scenes with no influence on the rest of the story, but correcting all the problem there was with Marc was a lot more difficult, his relation was important with Myriam and he couldn't just be cut and transferred into a patch.
I proposed a few things as a solution to the Patreon T&S team, but they were pretty anal with it, as long as there was a family link between them (blood or not), it was a no go. So as much as I hate censorship, I had to rewrite my game setting if I didn't want to see my page brought down and the game dead.

Since when? Since when is Myriam Marc's mother? Come on, man. That is NOT what is in any code that is provided by the developer on ANY platform. It may be the way the developer wanted it at the beginning and it IS the way the incest patch portrays it, but it's NOT in the game if you play any version of it without patching it. In fact Anthony is always referred to as Myriam's boyfriend or ex-boyfriend, as opposed to Katherine's deceased father who is always referred to as Myriam's ex-husband. And Marc is Anthony's son in any version patched (I believe, haven't played it) or un-patched.

You must have come late on the game, at the beginning, Myriam was Marc's mother and Anthony was her husband, but as explained in the post, I had to rewrite my setting.

 

[ouch2020]

It does seem to me odd though, that the developer decided to create a patch for the bestiality scenes, but not for the incest. Perhaps you can shed some light on that one for me.

On this, I can only comment that the bestiality patch is released by the user/nickname Prometheus, not by the user/nickname Zorlun.

 

[Walter Victor]

You must have come late on the game, at the beginning, Myriam was Marc's mother and Anthony was her husband, but as explained in the post, I had to rewrite my setting.

As I said in a response to an earlier post, my question was about the current state of the game. Obviously, you know a helluva lot more than I about this game.

Thank you for your detailed and considerate response, especially since you did not have to respond at all.

So, that having been said... when is the next release? Just kidding.