VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.12+p] [Zorlun]

[Gold Onyx]

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So yeah, if you only make Dom choices then Myriam will miss a lot of sex content, because those scenes rely on Myriam acting in a submissive way. But you can still have her with a higher Dom score than Submissive, and have her take part in those scenes, by allowing her to make the Sub choices which usually lead to them.

Well ya... I'm just saying, I think the game is far enough along now that Myriam should be able to get sex scenes while picking dominant choices. Why be dominant and kick Anthony out if she isn't going to replace him with man she will cuckhold or something. Submissive Myriam gets all the content. Affectionate Myriam, who i dub not sub but also not dom, gets a lot of content. Dominant Myriam gets one scene.

I was playing the dominant Myriam early too (I kicked Anthony) and I don't know why but I had scenes with Marc blocked. Now I play the submissive (I forgave Anthony) and I have these scenes. I did not have a path with zoophilia and I do not have one, so I cannot say whether it also influences it.

I was just giving early examples. I played most if not all of the paths. It's just, on my dom playthrough I picked all the dominant or willpower choices and was shocked I basically only got 1/4 th the content... IF that. And that content was shared content at that. Like I said, only one scene is determined by being dominant. I was expecting more. And yes, if my mermory serves, to even get the dominant scene with Marc you have to pick non dominant choices earlier anyway. Like letting him look at you through the mirror and fake waking up during the movie. Cause picking the dom choices their blocks the DOMINANT scene with him latter.

Go figure. In fact... I should do a playthrough where i always pick dom and willpower choices to see if I get any sex scenes at all. lol

 

[gregers]

Well ya... I'm just saying, I think the game is far enough along now that Myriam should be able to get sex scenes while picking dominant choices. Why be dominant and kick Anthony out if she isn't going to replace him with man she will cuckhold or something. Submissive Myriam gets all the content. Affectionate Myriam, who i dub not sub but also not dom, gets a lot of content. Dominant Myriam gets one scene.



I was just giving early examples. I played most if not all of the paths. It's just, on my dom playthrough I picked all the dominant or willpower choices and was shocked I basically only got 1/4 th the content... IF that. And that content was shared content at that. Like I said, only one scene is determined by being dominant. I was expecting more. And yes, if my mermory serves, to even get the dominant scene with Marc you have to pick non dominant choices earlier anyway. Like letting him look at you through the mirror and fake waking up during the movie. Cause picking the dom choices their blocks the DOMINANT scene with him latter.

Go figure. In fact... I should do a playthrough where i always pick dom and willpower choices to see if I get any sex scenes at all. lol

Yeah, it's come up a few times recently. There's a bit of a conflict in the game design, I think, where the mechanics seem to encourage playing Myriam as dominant and strong-willed, but there's next to no content to go with those mechanics.

Those mechanics were what drew me in originally because I thought there was a finally a game where a female protagonist didn't have to be constantly victimized and abused, but could actually show some backbone and take the lead, but so far there's been little of that at least in a sexual context. I'm still hanging on hoping for some actual dominant options eventually.

(One arguable exception where Myriam at least shows some initiative is during the latest release when she suddenly (without any input from the player) starts pushing her weird-ass race fetish in the scene with Cleavon, but the less said about that the better.)

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Yeah, it's come up a few times recently. There's a bit of a conflict in the game design, I think, where the mechanics seem to encourage playing Myriam as dominant and strong-willed, but there's next to no content to go with those mechanics.

Those mechanics were what drew me in originally because I thought there was a finally a game where a female protagonist didn't have to be constantly victimized and abused, but could actually show some backbone and take the lead, but so far there's been little of that at least in a sexual context. I'm still hanging on hoping for some actual dominant options eventually.

(One arguable exception where Myriam at least shows some initiative is during the latest release when she suddenly (without any input from the player) starts pushing her weird-ass race fetish in the scene with Cleavon, but the less said about that the better.)

From what Zorlun has said in the past, he doesn't want to make Myriam dominant in that way. He's not going to make her into a Dominatrix that humiliates men (or women for that matter). Because he doesn't visualise Myriam as that kind of person. She's a kind and generous person, who sometimes is overly trusting because she tends to see the best in people, rather than be cynical. And that's after suffering years of abuse from Anthony. That might have made her into the kind of person, that would want to seek some kind of revenge by dominating men, but it didn't.

I think in most instances her being more dominant, will mean her not settling for shit like she has the past. And learning to defend herself, so if anyone tries to abuse her she can stop them, and even give them a taste of their own medicine. That's already happened when Myriam had the opportunity to fight back against a rapist, two updates back. It will mean that she's more in control of her life, and less likely to need a man to handle everything. Because as Anthony's submissive partner, she relied on him a lot to make decisions for her. She couldn't make any decision without asking him first. So I think Dominance is her learning to make her own choices, and allowing herself to do things without always considering whether other people would view it as a negative.

So for instance, in the past she might have had sex because her naturally submissive nature, overruled what she herself preferred. She felt that she had to satisfy Anthony because he was her partner, and not because she wanted to. Being submissive made her more likely to put others needs, above her own. But since Anthony's influence has been removed, she's now more likely to do what she wants. And everytime she makes a choice like that, when there's a submissive internal voice telling her to do the opposite, her dominant score increases.

And that means of course, that she chooses not to have sex, because the submissive side of her personality is still there. And when she decides to do sexual things, there's a very high probability that she won't be able to resist the submissive side of her nature, and she'll end up doing things that she later regrets. Once Myriam starts having sex, she can very quickly become insatiable. And for me, her not having sex, is just her trying to maintain control and not succumb to that weakness

 

[Zorlun]

There will be some naughty possibilities in the last scene of the coming update with a more dominant Myriam, if she went the dom way with Marc, or if she at least is not a sub to him (there will be some sub naughty possibilities of course also).

About a dominant Myriam and the lack of naughty scenes as of now, well, it's about Myriam's character, as a sub she's often pushed into her naughty scenes or goes with the flow, which in the opposite she don't as a dom, often trying to take back her power, resulting into going the other way, BUT, as time pass and she get's more into her new found confidence, she will get more naughty action as a dom, feeling confident enough to initiate things and fulfil her own needs (if the player chose so of course).
In short, it's a question of time and build up, she can't snap her personality in a second and change herself in a moment notice, transforming herself from a submissive woman to a confident one take time and occasions, but since it's definitely one of the goals of the game, it will happen.

 

[lockerxx]

It'll be kind of the point of the vet side plot line.

is the Vet a woman or a man?.

 

[Mikey_Boy101]

is the Vet a woman or a man?.

He should be the man you meet in the park if you don't go on the date with the cops. His name is John and he has a dog name Collins.

 

[john984]

For the last scene in the new update. It's gonna be only Marc and the captain? I thought the whole team was invited.

 

[Zorlun]

is the Vet a woman or a man?.

As Mikey_Boy101 answered, it's the man that could be met in the park if Myriam went to walk Cassius instead of going on a date with the two officers.

For the last scene in the new update. It's gonna be only Marc and the captain? I thought the whole team was invited.

It was my first intention yes, but I rolled back on it for two reasons, one practical and one for writing:
- For the practical reason, because I'm limited by my graphic card, now in insight I would have definitely go for the 3090 when I redid my computer (I was too much of a noob at the time to see the major difference between 3080 and 3090, though I quickly did ^^ ), and if I want to not do renders that take me a day, group scenes are difficult without cheating a lot on your angles of camera.
- And for the writing reason, I thought it would be nice to have first Marc trying to put the captain in his pocket before going for the whole team, giving an occasion for a few more scenes before jumping to the gangbang session by the whole team, which leave you with less room to go after (even if there is always things to do in group ^^ ).

And on that point, I'm seriously waiting for the new generation of graphic cards to get out so I can jump onto something with more punch, which should let me finally make the camera angles I really want to do, I often find myself having to cheat a bit to save some memory to stay on the GPU and not jump onto the CPU to do the renders.
(I know... that's not very glorious, but boy do I feel on a leash with that technical problem. ^^ )

 

[john984]

As Mikey_Boy101 answered, it's the man that could be met in the park if Myriam went to walk Cassius instead of going on a date with the two officers.

It was my first intention yes, but I rolled back on it for two reasons, one practical and one for writing:
- For the practical reason, because I'm limited by my graphic card, now in insight I would have definitely go for the 3090 when I redid my computer (I was too much of a noob at the time to see the major difference between 3080 and 3090, though I quickly did ^^ ), and if I want to not do renders that take me a day, group scenes are difficult without cheating a lot on your angles of camera.
- And for the writing reason, I thought it would be nice to have first Marc trying to put the captain in his pocket before going for the whole team, giving an occasion for a few more scenes before jumping to the gangbang session by the whole team, which leave you with less room to go after (even if there is always things to do in group ^^ ).

And on that point, I'm seriously waiting for the new generation of graphic cards to get out so I can jump onto something with more punch, which should let me finally make the camera angles I really want to do, I often find myself having to cheat a bit to save some memory to stay on the GPU and not jump onto the CPU to do the renders.
(I know... that's not very glorious, but boy do I feel on a leash with that technical problem. ^^ )

Understood. Thanks for the reply!

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

As Mikey_Boy101 answered, it's the man that could be met in the park if Myriam went to walk Cassius instead of going on a date with the two officers.

It was my first intention yes, but I rolled back on it for two reasons, one practical and one for writing:
- For the practical reason, because I'm limited by my graphic card, now in insight I would have definitely go for the 3090 when I redid my computer (I was too much of a noob at the time to see the major difference between 3080 and 3090, though I quickly did ^^ ), and if I want to not do renders that take me a day, group scenes are difficult without cheating a lot on your angles of camera.
- And for the writing reason, I thought it would be nice to have first Marc trying to put the captain in his pocket before going for the whole team, giving an occasion for a few more scenes before jumping to the gangbang session by the whole team, which leave you with less room to go after (even if there is always things to do in group ^^ ).

And on that point, I'm seriously waiting for the new generation of graphic cards to get out so I can jump onto something with more punch, which should let me finally make the camera angles I really want to do, I often find myself having to cheat a bit to save some memory to stay on the GPU and not jump onto the CPU to do the renders.
(I know... that's not very glorious, but boy do I feel on a leash with that technical problem. ^^ )

2x3080?

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

2x3080?

Go like my oldest, the IT guy, 2 x 3090

 

[Kheram]

Go like my oldest, the IT guy, 2 x 3090

I think 2 cases with 3090 in each doing their own rendering is way better than cramping 2 power hungry sweating monsters in one case for something like ~20% render speed increase.

 

[Zorlun]

Well, I'll see when the next gen comes up, if I have the fund maybe I can go two monsters instead of one. ^^

 

[cold_arctus]

Well, I'll see when the next gen comes up, if I have the fund maybe I can go two monsters instead of one. ^^

The new 4090 has over 16,000 cuda cores!

 

[Zara Scarlet]

The new 4090 has over 16,000 cuda cores!

Now that Myriam is the third biggest slut in adult games behind Anne and Anna. If you want her to challenge for the title Zorlun, you'll have to upgrade that graphics card.

 

[misfolk]

Now that Myriam is the third biggest slut in adult games behind Anne and Anna. If you want her to challenge for the title Zorlun, you'll have to upgrade that graphics card.

Anna must be Anna from Exciting Affection, but where is Anne from?

 

[latex lvr]

Anna must be Anna from Exciting Affection, but where is Anne from?

TAC The Adventurous Couple

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

The new 4090 has over 16,000 cuda cores!

2x4090

 

[ouch2020]

Couldn't the incest patch be reworked to replace lines of dialogue rather than scene labels, similar to the way the Summertime Saga patch works? There's a couple of places (the shower scene and the therapist scene) where you'd need more than that, but it should be possible to write a detector for if the walkthrough mod is installed, then load appropriate replacement scenes if so.

Disclaimer: I haven't read the code for either mod, so forgive me if I'm talking out of my ass here.

About the disclaimer, don't worry, it's fine.

But the incest patch does not touch any scene labels at all, it only chances dialogues, in a couple of occasions the value of a variable, and in one occasion adds a choice to the menu (the therapist, as you correctly identified), but again, I did it without changing scene labels and the flow.
The trick is that I replace parts (not even entire phrases) of dialogue in a way to keep coherence with the original (before Patreon's intervention) storyline as Zorlun had indicated it at the time I discovered the game, but as far as I recall, the WT mod also modifies the script, by adding up references that are then replaced by using an extra file, to give the indication of the path to follow.
So, both modify the script.
Also, I do not replace scenes, I use the ones existing, and in any case, you are hitting again on the fact to guarantee compatibilty with all possibilities, it would mean either I or the author of the WT mod (sorry, bad memory for names) would need to use the mod of the other as base, and then create two version of their mod.

Right now, I can just take the code of the new version from Zorlun, get the added part to the previous one, add it to my patch and modify it to be aligned with the incest part - safe for that extra choice with the therapist and an occasional variable value change, my code is aligned with the one from Zorlun.

Doing the kind of "detection" you are mentioning (I guess you mean it as avoiding the need for two versions of the patch), would require me to do some coding, that would lose the alignment with Zorlun, and make it extra complex - I do not have time for engaging myself on that type of programming, sorry, the actual form of the incest patch is as far as I can go.
Effectively, bibfoc does detect my patch, for the compatibiliity with his "name changing mod", he only looks if there is a variable set, because I created an extra variable that he detects, but even that, I did not create modifying Zorlun's code, I leveraged Ren'py characteristics, creating a small extra file that only defines the variable bibfoc detects.

Last but not least, because Zorlun had to modify things "on the fly", and it had never foreseen to have to take out the incest part, I cannot even though just a blind keyword replace, e.g. even in the incest patch, "Mi" can be "Mi" or "mom" depending on the situation.

 

[Kheram]

I wonder why ppl want to cram 2 GPUs in one system?
It is not that beneficial for rendering and gaming since they dont share onboard memory.
While having 2 power hungry monsters provide a lot of strain to power supply as well as motherboard.
Not to mention higher demand for cooling etc.