VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. End.01a+p] [Zorlun]

[Zorlun]

So, will there be definitive endings with characters who are love interests?

Yes, it was announced since long ago, each one of them will have at least one ending, but most of them will have multiple endings depending on choices and/or stats.

HI, I had gotten a bit lost in the story, so I put the game on standby to restart it and do it all at once once it was completed.
now I see "CH. END v00"... I thought it was finished but it doesn't have the complete tag, so I guess it's not finished yet, but almost... right?

It's not the full end just yet, it's just the start of the ending chapter, there's a few updates to go with the ending chapter, I'll announce it when the game is done.

The question is, are You seeing game development as work or something You love to do?

If it's work then doing two projects simultaneously is more profitable, but if You love what You're doing, several games with deadlines will exhaust You and will turn it into a routine.

Considering NTR, I'm biased cause totally don't understand it.

If it's male MC, why should I care about his feelings and the fact that he can't dump a cheating bitch.

if it's female MC, why should I care about feelings of some random John Smith when I'm interested in female MC. Imagine, when You have awesome Myriam, spending time on some cucked John Smith when You could have more awesome Myriam.

I don't see it like that, but I understand your opinion, my desire to do multiple game is not about business, it's about having too much ideas and wanting to explore different settings at the same time and avoid being bored and frustrated by just working one of them while wanting to do more.
But I know that it would bring its own kind of problems of course, like over work and strain as well as delays.

On the NTR subject, I'll say it's like every story, it depends on the story and the characters, after that, you can't change people's tastes (unless they want to), if you prefer FMC you prefer FMC, I do as well, this is why I made a game with a female main character because I found most games I tried before with male main characters boring and nearly all the same, but I must say though, that after 5 years of working on a FMC, I would be curious to see what I can do with MMC or a dual FMC and MMC.

You're right.

In fact, he stopped creating content with bestiality, but maybe that's the fault of patreon or the payment systems that impose the rules.

Another NTR for me it's boring, I would definitely prefer a fantasy e.g. with busty elves.

Cassius and Hammer stories has reach their ending point, the next time I make an update for them it will be for their endings, so relatively soon.

Wait? CH End? I didn't felt like this was going toward an ending. Story kept expanding. Since when an end goal set in the story?

It's been announced and coming for a while now, but as I said, it's not the full ending, just the first update of the ending chapter.

not gonna lie I would love more NTS from a female POV / FMC game. I find cheating / NTR FMC a bit on the boring side unless they are well done cause there is so many of them.

That's funny, there was not as much before I start my game, it's possible the landscape has change since then though, I did not touch another adult game since I started my own.
But I guess the problem is always more about the quality than the quantity, you're never bored of having good things. ^^

I fear our dear Zorlun will give us a few more updates. Even though my Miriam has enough willpower for three VNs, I don't think she's saved yet.

Willpower is a stat that will help you in the update as well as the next.

This. A game like that with an FMC and lots of choices like this game is known for would be nice.

If I ever go for a NTR/NTS game, choices would be the most important part yes, the game would have multiple way to go about it, after that you have to determine with the setting if you go with an exploration of the kink, making partially mandatory or making it one of the main kink and making it only an explorable branch by the character.
Both would interest me to explore psychologically with the characters.

are we in endgame toward new game chat? I havent followed this game in a year

You're at the end chapter of the game, not the full end of the game, there's still a few more updates to go on, one common to everyone, and then it will be all updates with endings, which should push me mid 2026 I think, but that's just a projection, I'll be clearer on that once I start those updates.

After this update the endings will start, there are multiple endings as well in this update, but not good endings.

It's not really endings that there is in the update, but more 'game overs', as it only end with Myriam's death and get you back to an earlier choice, but yeah... I'm cutting hair in half here. ^^

 

[InfamousWanker]

Yes, it was announced since long ago, each one of them will have at least one ending, but most of them will have multiple endings depending on choices and/or stats.

so... the game is ending now?

 

[minibaer12]

Willpower is a stat that will help you in the update as well as the next.

I agree with you. From what my Miriam saw, I think some players will have trouble getting their Miriam out of there.

 

[Ellioto]

did she ever bone that horse? not played in a while

 

[Zorlun]

so... the game is ending now?

As said, yes, we're at the ending chapter, not the full end, but just the start of the ending chapter.

I agree with you. From what my Miriam saw, I think some players will have trouble getting their Miriam out of there.

Well, I did not soft lock players with stats, whatever the stats, the player can escape (depending on choices made), but 'Willpower' definitely help and offer more possibilities.

did she ever bone that horse? not played in a while

Hammer had his fun, some time ago now, next time will be for his endings.

 

[ouch2020]

Before I start getting posts asking about updating the incest patch for those interested (since I have already seen the usual posts asking for others mods to be updated)... 1) I am kind of off for the next weeks; 2) Zorlun pointed out this is going to be a big one, so, it will take a bit longer than usual after the public release for me to do the update.

 

[DNCH2019]

So just to be clear everyone was forced into the path with the motel dude and the dumb giant?

 

[Chucke1992]

In fact, he stopped creating content with bestiality, but maybe that's the fault of patreon or the payment systems that impose the rules.

Payment processors should ban NTR instead. But hey, they are trying to create more simps and cucks.

Content with the bestiality has stopped? Too bad. I think there was another game that had to stop due to Patreon shenanigans (or UK?)

 

[sakuyas_mmaster]

So just to be clear everyone was forced into the path with the motel dude and the dumb giant?

Nah, from trying around Myriam can walk away and not have to put up with them much. She doesn't have to get fucked by them. But she will end up with a fucked wrist from the escape. I suppose if you want to save her you can.

 

[hugrrrrrohug]

Man, that game will be better with normal path Marc i dont like cuck or pimp marc.

 

[minibaer12]

Well, I did not soft lock players with stats, whatever the stats, the player can escape (depending on choices made), but 'Willpower' definitely help and offer more possibilities.

hm, that explains why I was done with the update so quickly

 

[Ichiii_]

how much femdom is there ?

 

[Zorlun]

hm, that explains why I was done with the update so quickly

Probably, the update is big in size by the branching and exploration, if you don't whish to explore those other paths, the update will definitely be shorter.

 

[DNCH2019]

Nah, from trying around Myriam can walk away and not have to put up with them much. She doesn't have to get fucked by them. But she will end up with a fucked wrist from the escape. I suppose if you want to save her you can.

No i meant like no matter the previous choices myriam gets kidnapped after leaving the store.

 

[rezaf]

If I ever go for a NTR/NTS game, choices would be the most important part yes, the game would have multiple way to go about it, after that you have to determine with the setting if you go with an exploration of the kink, making partially mandatory or making it one of the main kink and making it only an explorable branch by the character.
Both would interest me to explore psychologically with the characters.

I know it's a tired discussion, but I think it isn't really possible to create a real NTR game with a female protagonist, unless somehow HER love interest (can be a man or a woman) would end up being usurped.
If you're playing the female, you're cheating. So it's a cheating game.

Semantics aside, I think seeing a game from you with either angle would be fun.

And the most important part, congratulations on getting this far, the finish line is in sight. There are so many abandoned games, but you pulled through all the way to the end (almost, but I don't suppose you're going to jump ship now), which is a major achievement in my book. I haven't played in quite a while, but I'm sure I'll check out the game again once it's well and truly done. Other than the pacing (I felt the game went a little TOO wild at times too quickly) and some minor nitpicks here and there, you did a tremendous job in my book. Thank you.

 

[Zorlun]

No i meant like no matter the previous choices myriam gets kidnapped after leaving the store.

Yes, that was the cliffhanger ending of chapter 5, the start of the ending chapter is about Myriam escaping their clutches as the last ordeal/gauntlet of the game for her.
The game started with them and the game is ending with them (I mean as an ordeal/conflict), this part of the game was planned from the get go when I presented the game, though at first I had planned to go with a full chapter around it, with more intricacies with the family (like the famous Ma, only mentioned here), but I felt that it would only slipped too long into "torture porn" and in the end I preferred to avoid it and shorten up the part to the essential.

I know it's a tired discussion, but I think it isn't really possible to create a real NTR game with a female protagonist, unless somehow HER love interest (can be a man or a woman) would end up being usurped.
If you're playing the female, you're cheating. So it's a cheating game.

Semantics aside, I think seeing a game from you with either angle would be fun.

And the most important part, congratulations on getting this far, the finish line is in sight. There are so many abandoned games, but you pulled through all the way to the end (almost, but I don't suppose you're going to jump ship now), which is a major achievement in my book. I haven't played in quite a while, but I'm sure I'll check out the game again once it's well and truly done. Other than the pacing (I felt the game went a little TOO wild at times too quickly) and some minor nitpicks here and there, you did a tremendous job in my book. Thank you.

Not sure, no, I think you can explore a lot around it, as I answered someone else, it's all about the writing and character, though of course you escape the interpretation of the player that can be far different that what you intended, but that's the prerogative of the player.

On the subject of finishing the game, yes, it was important for me to finish it, as much for myself than for my supporters, proving that I can bring a project to its conclusion. I stated that I would only work on the next project after Project Myriam, but I fear that it might leave me after this with a big hole between the two, so as I exposed my future planning recently, I think I will bring Project Myriam to the main branching point for the endings (which should be next update), then start working on the next project in parallel of working on the ending updates for Project Myriam, so that I can cut a bit on the latency between the two, but I won't be sharing any version of the next project before fully ending Project Myriam though.

 

[rezaf]

Not sure, no, I think you can explore a lot around it, as I answered someone else, it's all about the writing and character, though of course you escape the interpretation of the player that can be far different that what you intended, but that's the prerogative of the player.

If this was addressing the NTR part - NTR as I understand is is basically the feeling of losing someone. Some folks on here think it's NTR if somewhere in your story, you imply that, at some point, a female love interest MIGHT have been interested in someone else, but that's not ntr. There's writers that write entire books without (or with relatively little) sexual content, just describing the agony of it all. You can have a game where infidelity or sharing plays a role, but that's not ntr.
But it's not really worth arguing about, there's no institution our there defining what constitutes ntr and what doesn't, so anybodies definition is as good as anyone elses.

On the subject of finishing the game, yes, it was important for me to finish it, as much for myself than for my supporters, proving that I can bring a project to its conclusion. I stated that I would only work on the next project after Project Myriam, but I fear that it might leave me after this with a big hole between the two, so as I exposed my future planning recently, I think I will bring Project Myriam to the main branching point for the endings (which should be next update), then start working on the next project in parallel of working on the ending updates for Project Myriam, so that I can cut a bit on the latency between the two, but I won't be sharing any version of the next project before fully ending Project Myriam though.

That's fair. While there are grifters out there, I'd presume most games are not abandoned because the devs want to stick it to their players, just something happens that outweighs their sense of - for lack of a better word - responsibility (for their players)
and so they stop working on it. This is why I think it's especially commendable that you got your game to this point before throwing the towel, I'm sure you had moments of frustration or distraction along the way. From what I remember, you didn't even really take a hiatus and had a mostly solid update schedule along the way, too. I hope you're successful with future projects.

 

[Zorlun]

If this was addressing the NTR part - NTR as I understand is is basically the feeling of losing someone. Some folks on here think it's NTR if somewhere in your story, you imply that, at some point, a female love interest MIGHT have been interested in someone else, but that's not ntr. There's writers that write entire books without (or with relatively little) sexual content, just describing the agony of it all. You can have a game where infidelity or sharing plays a role, but that's not ntr.
But it's not really worth arguing about, there's no institution our there defining what constitutes ntr and what doesn't, so anybodies definition is as good as anyone elses.

I get what you mean, but you're talking of the definition of it, themes are more than their definition, exploring a theme goes from point A to point Z, you don't just drop the final result of the definition of it, like any naughty scene, you can bring a lot of psychology in it and exploration than just giving you the end result of the specific kink you exploited in your naughty scene, so yes, there is lot to explore with any theme, it's just a matter of writing as I said.

And it's not because you use a theme that you have to come to the exact same result, the interest of choices as I like to use is to see multiple result around a theme.

That's fair. While there are grifters out there, I'd presume most games are not abandoned because the devs want to stick it to their players, just something happens that outweighs their sense of - for lack of a better word - responsibility (for their players)
and so they stop working on it. This is why I think it's especially commendable that you got your game to this point before throwing the towel, I'm sure you had moments of frustration or distraction along the way. From what I remember, you didn't even really take a hiatus and had a mostly solid update schedule along the way, too. I hope you're successful with future projects.

Not much hiatus, no, apart from the technical ones due to the hardware problem, as well as a little vacation here and there each year, but as the saying said, "Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life".

 

[thefattestcat]

cannibal rednecks out of nowhere... dev literally doing everything besides mother-daughter sexy times.

 

[deviantfiend999]

So does this mean no oyakondon time?

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