VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. End.01a+p] [Zorlun]

[Viressa]

Didn't know. Surprising, I admit. I know it is a silly question, but at this point... You wrote all the 50 states in USA criminalize mother-son incest, do you know if they do the same for father-daughter ?

Yes, the language specifically used is parent-child, so father-daughter relationships would also be covered. Grandfather/Granddaughter too.

Given the mess about "legal age of consent" and "statutory rape" (I had looked that up for another conversation, and in USA is a rather messy business, although they don't use the expression "statutory rape" at all), and what you just indicated, I fell one cannot assume anything.
I know about at least some other countries, and they tend to be a bit more straightforward and somehow simple, in general.

The laws around this in the US are quite simple: "Statutory rape" literally means "rape by statute", that is, the law requires that this sexual encounter be treated as rape regardless of the victim's feelings as to whether they consented or not. If you touch someone under the legal age of consent in a sexual manner, you're a criminal and a sex offender. Even if they said they wanted it. Even if they pushed themselves onto you. Even if they lied about their age. Even if they showed you forged ID information to "prove" their false age. You are the adult in the situation and thus anything that happens is always considered to be your responsibility.

(This is actually something I didn't know when I was a teenager, I would lie about my age to mess around with adults and I had no idea that I was putting them in danger by doing so. So, kids, don't do that.)

The same goes for child pornography: If the person in the image was under the age of consent when it was taken, you're a sex offender just for having it, full stop. The prosecution does not have to prove that you knew they were underage, they only need to prove you possessed the images (and them temporarily existing in your browser cache from accessing them online counts as possession).


The one exception are so-called Romeo/Juliet laws, which vary state by state. In some states, if you turned 18 a day ago and she turns 17 tomorrow, you're a child rapist if you have sex with her. The purpose of Romeo/Juliet laws is to make an allowance to deal with this situation by allowing for an age gap: Sometimes one year, sometimes two, sometimes three. The largest gap is three years as far as I know.

If this sounds extreme and inflexible, it's because it is: The law is purposefully designed to err on the side of conviction. Even still, it's just about impossible to actually convict child rapists even with this very inflexible standard: It's estimated that 97% of them walk free.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Even if they lied about their age. Even if they showed you forged ID information to "prove" their false age. You are the adult in the situation and thus anything that happens is always considered to be your responsibility.

(This is actually something I didn't know when I was a teenager, I would lie about my age to mess around with adults and I had no idea that I was putting them in danger by doing so. So, kids, don't do that.)

As far as I know, every state has an age cutoff where this is true, but it's usually around 14. So sex with a 14 year old, and you're guilty, even if she had the hypothetical fake ID. Sex with a 16 year old, however, you have a plausible defense if she told you she was 18, and a reasonable person would believe her given the circumstances.

 

[ouch2020]

As far as I know, every state has an age cutoff where this is true, but it's usually around 14. So sex with a 14 year old, and you're guilty, even if she had the hypothetical fake ID. Sex with a 16 year old, however, you have a plausible defense if she told you she was 18, and a reasonable person would believe her given the circumstances.

Actually, when I had checked about USA, the information I found said that the age of consent (cut off age, said otherwise) is variable between states, but also, that most states do not really have statutory rape as I meant it, it only based on the age of consent (as indicated by Viressa), not on the age difference.
The concept of "statutory rape" used in general outside USA, at least in Europe, is not the one described in Viressa's reply.
It is not about the age of consent (below age of consent, there is no valid consent anyway, that is why is called "age of consent"), it is about age difference.

E.g. even if she has the age of consent, if she is not old enough to have legal independence (typically, means if she is less than 18), if she was doing it with someone older, it was considered anyway statutory rape - in other words, even if she was old enough (mostly was about girls, but applies also to boys) to give consent, the fact the partner was above 18 meant that the consent was considered void and null.
Though last I checked due to some question by someone, I discovered even most, if not all, countries in Europe have eliminated that (one country I know of, eliminated that around 2010), so, now would only be a matter of age of consent, which in most countries in Europe is around 14.

From what I saw in USA, some have a form of statutory rape based on age difference and age of consent, and allow people to have sex with a partner even below age 18 or 21, if the partner is less than x years older (I think the maximum difference can be up to two, but in some case, only one year).
In others, they have the same, but if you are married she can be well below age of consent and legal age and yet it is OK (I remember that well, because the accepted age indicated in that "married although under legal age and age of consent" was as young as 13yo).
In one state, California, even if both are under 18, the fact they did it when they were below 18 means they committed a fellony, though if I remember well is marked as a minor thing.
One State says the age of consent (16, if I remember well) is sufficient even if the partner is a full adult, but not if the full adult has a role as supervisor (e.g. teacher), legal tutor/administrator, etc. - but that limitation disappear the moment the younger partner reaches 18.

That is why I said the rules in USA are far from being simple, at least for the younger people - in one state they may be an happy very young couple, the moment they cross a state border, even being still in the country, they can be arrested

 

[ambitious1234]

Lithuania, Argentina, France, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Japan, Latvia, Portugal, Russia, Serbia, South Korea, Spain, Thailand, some states of the USA, and Belgium these countries have no issue with any kind of incest or marriage between them as long as there is no public controversy.

 

[Plasticsboygab]

It doesn't make sense to ban incest or stuff. All the arguments are nonsensical. I may not approve of it myeslf but that doesn't mean I can just ban it.
And the most famous argument "the kid may have defects" indicates you'd also forbid people with genetic diseases from marrying or having babies.

Do we have that power over others? If yes then sure go ahead. If no then the argument falls apart.

 

[Viressa]

I agree that there's no problem with incest in terms of abstract principles. The problem is we don't live in the world of abstract principles, we live in the real world, and in the real world, incestuous relationships are almost always abusive ones, both physically and emotionally. The kind of relationship you get in incest porn where it's two consenting adults finding love and pleasure in each other basically doesn't exist in real life. So if you read a story, in real life, about a mother and son or a brother and sister fucking each other, there's almost certainly something very fucked up going on there.

Now, does this mean bans on incest work to solve this problem? Absolutely not, but I'm of the opinion that carceral solutions don't work in general. In practice, the actual effect of incest bans is to prevent aristocratic families (both literal peerage and the modern bourgeois dynasties) from keeping their wealth tied up in one household by marrying only each other. And that doesn't really solve the problem of wealth accumulation either.

 

[Zorlun]

Hello there, here's the new version of Project Myriam - Life and Explorations!
Official public release out on March the 7th, please do not leak the early release, it always cause trouble.

What's new:

- Around a 2300+ lines of code and 183 new renders.
- 3 scenes (with multiple sub-scenes).
- Around 14 new choices to make Myriam more your own and write her story.
- Some more naughty content (around 3 scenes and situations).

PS: To keep you informed, this update was quite a tough one (to not say nightmare) to work, halfway through DAZ updated his program which wrecked havoc in my time table as my lighting tool didn't work anymore and force me to quickly found a solution (as maybe some will notice in the update I had to change my lighting), and my rendering time was multiplied (for reason I still don't understand, putting aside the new lighting more heavy than the previous ones). Add to this a February month with only 28 days and I finished with not much sleep to keep my one update a month promise. ^^

EDIT: Sorry, made a little error in the date, it was not February but March for the official public release of course. ^^

 

[fuckmymamarunnin]

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Say hello to the new character of the game: incest baby! ^^

EDIT: It's here you see how old I am when you see my movie references (though it was a zombi baby in this case). ^^

ok, i see there's ~20 ppl that have "liked" this so far, but i don't recognize it; so what's it from?

 

[Zorlun]

ok, i see there's ~20 ppl that have "liked" this so far, but i don't recognize it; so what's it from?

It's from "Braindead" of Peter Jackson (the guy that made the trilogy of the Lord of the Ring), one of his first movies, a cheap horror movie, a very funny and good one (if you like the genre of course). ^^

 

[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

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Hello there, here's the new version of Project Myriam - Life and Explorations!
Official public release out on March the 7th, please do not leak the early release, it always cause trouble.

What's new:


PS: To keep you informed, this update was quite a tough one (to not say nightmare) to work, halfway through DAZ updated his program which wrecked havoc in my time table as my lighting tool didn't work anymore and force me to quickly found a solution (as maybe some will notice in the update I had to change my lighting), and my rendering time was multiplied (for reason I still don't understand, putting aside the new lighting more heavy than the previous ones). Add to this a February month with only 28 days and I finished with not much sleep to keep my one update a month promise. ^^

EDIT: Sorry, made a little error in the date, it was not February but March for the official public release of course. ^^

Nice little update, it moves the story along a little more, We get a little Lucy & Myriam fun, and visit the police station to see her favorite cops again, then William moves in & gets the best scenes of the update and then just when its about to get really good again, end of update, cant wait for next months update already. Here are a few pics from the update

 

[DashaTaran]

thought you'd release on 28th...
I guess I'll have to wait until 7th

 

[EdPokol]

thought you'd release on 28th...

He did release yesterday for his higher tier patrons, this dev delivers like clockwork.

I guess I'll have to wait until 7th

Yes, or become a patron.

 

[DashaTaran]

He did release yesterday for his higher tier patrons, this dev delivers like clockwork.



Yes, or become a patron.

oh shit I guess I missed it

 

[lgac1492]

Lithuania, Argentina, France, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Japan, Latvia, Portugal, Russia, Serbia, South Korea, Spain, Thailand, some states of the USA, and Belgium these countries have no issue with any kind of incest or marriage between them as long as there is no public controversy.

Yes! I'm from argentina and can confirm that. In fact i'm married with my sisters (all of them)...No, wait. Incestuous relationships are not illegal, but sadly (?) you cannot marry your mother or sister. Also the family relationship can be an aggravating circumstance in case of rape, etc. I don't know what happens in the other countries you has mentioned.

 

[ouch2020]

principles, we live in the real world, and in the real world, incestuous relationships are almost always abusive ones, both physically and emotionally. The kind of relationship you get in incest porn where it's two consenting adults finding love and pleasure in each other basically doesn't exist in real life. So if you read a story, in real life, about a mother and son or a brother and sister fucking each other, there's almost certainly something very fucked up going on there.

Incestuous relations in real life are in general the adult taking the initiative towards a son or daughter (but can be even niece, etc.), using their position, and even when that is not full scale rape, it is in general based on forms of psychological coercion, pressure or manipulation, that leaves (often lifelong, especially if not tackled early) scars, since more often than not, it happens during forming year of adolescence, if not even before.
It is not by chance that the majority of sexual abuse of minors really happen in a family (even if sometime enlarged, e.g. uncle, but even grandfather) setup, or in setup that are supposed to offer protection and therefore a kind of "sense of family" to the children (e.g. schools, churches), by authority figures, and if the majority of child molesters and abusers where themselves somehow abused as children.
E.g. someone mentioned Portugal as if allowing incest (in reality, it is more a grey area not explicitly forbidden, not explicitly allowed), but in any case, even if he/she is above age of consent (14 in Portugal), if it is done with an adult that has any kind of authority over the minor, which includes any kind of mother/father/etc. family relation (brother or sister can admittedly be more tricky), it is a crime, and explicitly foreseen as such, and prosecuted as such.

Notice I am the one doing the patch to put back the incest in the game, and even if I play other paths as well, I am doing the path with Marc doing it with Myriam and being dominant with her, so, I am certainly not against that element being in the game - but that is a game.

Bboda6, about your reference, I think I understand what you mean, but I do believe the two things your are trying to put together are not at all the same.
The fact of talking about things like haemophilia, deformation, immune system depression, or psychological problems linked to physical elements, does not mean they are all the same - the final result can be similar or even the same, the origin, is different.
Plus, I don't agree with it, but the slippery slope you mention about people with disabilities coming from other origins already existed.
There have been countries, including USA and countries in Europe, where "eugenics" (imposed, to be clear) was attempted, and I am not talking about Nazi Germany, it was even well after.
The "funny" (not really, I am being sarcastic) part is that may happen rather the reverse of what you are mentioning, that countries who even had some attempts at "eugenics", then at the same time could allow incest (thus its potential consequences).

 

[john984]

Zorlun do we need the Prometheus patch for this update?

 

[Upal007]

When the ch3.03 Android version will release? Zorlun

 

[Zorlun]

Zorlun do we need the Prometheus patch for this update?

If the question is "Is there any bestiality content this update?" the answer is no, no new content on that front.
So technically, if you only go through the new update, no you don't, but if you go back through the earlier ones, yes you do.

When the ch3.03 Android version will release? Zorlun

The official public release will be on March the 7th, generally it takes a few days for someone to do an android version, so I would say come back towards the 10th.

 

[hotNess]

It's a shame Patreon is so against incest in games. Would've loved to see Myriam and her daughter in a sexual relationship (forgot the daughter's name)

 

[I-No]

Is it maybe possible to finally end this useless incest legal discussion? This thread is about Zorlun's masterpiece "Project Myriam" only. Zorlun comprehensively explained why he had to avoid incest and I honestly think we all agreed on Patreon's unsatisfactory attitude regarding incest weeks ago uncountable times...

Let it go!